Apparently, the RTX 4070 Super is good.

[Brady AKA MrHoot2000]

According to the reviews I have read, it performs well above the RTX 4070 and the RX 7800 XT. I guess Nvidia got the memo?

[emothxughts]

1 minute ago, Brady AKA MrHoot2000 said:

According to the reviews I have read, it performs well above the RTX 4070 and the RX 7800 XT. I guess Nvidia got the memo?

Now let's see the price...

[will0hlep]

It does look like it still has a VRam bottleneck in a couple of games at higher resolutions. This could be an issue for the card in the mid to long term. However, the performance numbers do look impressive most of the time and so long as the cards are a sensiable price, it may well be worth considering.

[Brady AKA MrHoot2000]

22 minutes ago, emothxughts said:

Now let's see the price...

Still $600, but at least it is substantially better than the 3080 and close enough to the 4070 Ti. 

[will0hlep]

3 minutes ago, Brady AKA MrHoot2000 said:

Still $600, but at least it is substantially better than the 3080 and close enough to the 4070 Ti. 

That is only the MSRP. The cards people can buy could be that price, or they could be alot more.

[Stahlmann]

11 minutes ago, will0hlep said:

That is only the MSRP. The cards people can buy could be that price, or they could be alot more.

AIB cards are typically $50-$100 more expensive than MSRP.

[will0hlep]

2 minutes ago, Stahlmann said:

AIB cards are typically $50-$100 more expensive than MSRP.

and the rest...

[Stahlmann]

1 minute ago, will0hlep said:

and the rest...

What rest? There are Founders Edition cards (the ones directly from Nvidia) and AIB cards. (Asus, Gigabyte, MSI, etc.)

[will0hlep]

6 minutes ago, Stahlmann said:

What rest? There are Founders Edition cards (the ones directly from Nvidia) and AIB cards. (Asus, Gigabyte, MSI, etc.)

"and the rest..." was related to your estimate "$50-$100", not the types of card you can buy.

 

The meaning of the message was:

"I think you've underestimated the difference in price between AIBs and MSRP (for newly released cards)"

or

"I think AIB cards typically cost more than MSRP+$100 on release"

Maybe that phrase is only a british thing?

[porina]

Pricing of the 4070 close to launch saw FE at MSRP, and AIB models starting at or below MSRP. Yes, you can get the Asus ROG Strix Ultra Extreme Pro Plus Extra at $+++ on top, but you don't have to go for that. Assuming 4070 Super follows that, I wouldn't worry about finding cards close to MSRP.

 

https://www.eurogamer.net/digitalfoundry-2024-nvidia-geforce-rtx-4070-super-review

Only skimmed the above so far. Looks like 4070S beats 7900XT in RT, closer to 7800XT in raster. Seems solid in that space.

[Stahlmann]

4 minutes ago, will0hlep said:

"and the rest..." was related to your estimate "$50-$100", not the types of card you can buy.

 

The meaning of the message was:

"I think you've underestimated the difference in price between AIBs and MSRP (for newly released cards)"

or

"I think AIB cards typically cost more than MSRP+$100 on release"

Maybe that phrase is only a british thing?

Ok i simply didn't understand what you meant. Yes, i agree that many AIB cards are way more expensive than that. I meant the starting price for basic AiB cards.

[porina]

Might be a UK thing, but I notice the 4070 Super is actually lower MSRP than the 4070 at launch. The original was £589 and the Super is £579. I'm going to guess this is more due to currency fluctuations if the US MSRP hasn't changed.

[8tg]

12gb of vram on a $600 GPU is unacceptable 

 

[Tan3l6]

2 minutes ago, 8tg said:

12gb of vram on a $600 GPU I unacceptable 

 

Well the tier of GPU performance is near where the 12GB VRAM is enough.

For instance 16GB would just be excessive imo...

If 12GB versus 16GB would run out at 10 vs 12 fps respectively their would be not much point, would there?

[Dedayog]

3 minutes ago, 8tg said:

12gb of vram on a $600 GPU I unacceptable 

 

12GB on a low/mid tier 1080p card is perfectly fine though.

 

If you try to tell me $600 isn't low/mid tier, I think Nvidia will disagree with you.

[8tg]

4 minutes ago, Tan3l6 said:

Well the tier of GPU performance is near where the 12GB VRAM is enough.

For instance 16GB would just be excessive imo...

No

i have run out of vram with my 16gb a770

these cards are more than capable of playing games in 4k, and you can easily use over 12gb of vram in 4k in some titles if you want settings cranked 

let alone other workloads dependent on video memory, namely AI tasks

I don’t care if it’s excessive, the 16gb a770 was $329, there is no reason for the 4070’s to not be at minimum 16gb, and ideally 20gb

[Tan3l6]

1 minute ago, 8tg said:

No

i have run out of vram with my 16gb a770

Care to elaborate at what conditions?

[Dedayog]

15 minutes ago, 8tg said:

No

i have run out of vram with my 16gb a770

these cards are more than capable of playing games in 4k, and you can easily use over 12gb of vram in 4k in some titles if you want settings cranked 

let alone other workloads dependent on video memory, namely AI tasks

I don’t care if it’s excessive, the 16gb a770 was $329, there is no reason for the 4070’s to not be at minimum 16gb, and ideally 20gb

100% agree.  I don' think I've hit 16GB on my 6900XT even at 1440p UW, but I don't check often.  Would be interesting to know.

[8tg]

1 minute ago, Tan3l6 said:

Care to elaborate at what conditions?

Secondlife in 4k at max settings, user created content is unoptimized and has heavy high resolution texture use, this is also the case for vrchat which can do this in crowds, or some modded titles that introduce high res textures

you can do the same thing in gta V with texture mods, or those stupidly high res Minecraft texture packs

 

i dont do any AI stuff myself but a lot of image generation and modification applications benefit from large quantities of vram to the extent something like a Maxwell 24gb M6000 is noticeably faster for those users than an 8gb 3070ti

 

dumb niche scenarios for sure, but it’s more so that intel crammed 16gb of vram into a $329 mid tier GPU, I expect more for my money 

[tuvok86]

obviously 16 would be nice but 12 gigs is fine for this class imo, highest settings these cards can run is 4K DLSSQ RT or 1440 DLSSQ PT which sits around 10 gigs from what I've seen. Future-proofing would be an argument if new consoles were coming in the next couple years, which they aren't.

 

also you can argue all day that 16gigs is a better buy but the relevant 16gb card (7800xt) still can't run at the settings those 16gb would be relevant, not at native 4k (not enough performance), not in PT (not enough RT performance)

[Why_Me]

https://www.techpowerup.com/review/zotac-geforce-rtx-4070-super-trinity/  

 

 

 

[Bagzie]

1 hour ago, 8tg said:

No

i have run out of vram with my 16gb a770

these cards are more than capable of playing games in 4k, and you can easily use over 12gb of vram in 4k in some titles if you want settings cranked 

let alone other workloads dependent on video memory, namely AI tasks

I don’t care if it’s excessive, the 16gb a770 was $329, there is no reason for the 4070’s to not be at minimum 16gb, and ideally 20gb

There's alot of games out there that will show more vram utilisation than they actually use , My 7900XT will show I'm using 16-17GB in Avatar for example and I know for a fact you can run that game on 12GB vram just fine.

[8tg]

1 minute ago, Bagzie said:

There's alot of games out there that will show more vram utilisation than they actually use , My 7900XT will show I'm using 16-17GB in Avatar for example and I know for a fact you can run that game on 12GB vram just fine.

i dont care

this is the issue:

 

the 4070 should have a minimum of 16gb

there is no justification otherwise

[Why_Me]

3 minutes ago, 8tg said:

i dont care

this is the issue:

 

the 4070 should have a minimum of 16gb

there is no justification otherwise

The Intel drivers are a mess atm. With that said the 4070 Super is meant for gaming at 1080P where 12GB will be fine.

[8tg]

Just now, Why_Me said:

The Intel drivers are a mess atm. With that said the 4070 Super is meant for gaming at 1080P where 12GB will be fine.

Intel drivers havent been a mess for months, closing in on almost a year.

The 4070 super is a $600 gpu, it is a tier above the midrange x60 series where the A770 is designed to compete as well, there is a 12gb RTX 3060 and a 16gb 4060 ti

A $600 1080p card is an oxymoron

 

again, there is no justification for 12gb of vram besides to cheap out on the manufacturing, or to direct consumers to a higher tier product that has more video memory, or to a cheaper to manufacture product that has more video memory