Reddit vs PC Part Picker vs LTT Forum – Where Should YOU Go for Build Advice?

[Somerandomtechyboi]

45 minutes ago, kokosnh said:

the thing is, we don't know, all 5 places (YT link, YT description, his explanation, the overlay on video, and the physical parts on video) the spec are different... all are different.
2R is gaining on DDR4, but only in controlled timings. And while the 2x16GB are probably the dual side, dual rank, the 4x8GB (or whatever it is there ), can be in all kinds of configs.  

Even if we leave, all of the memory architecture out, and don't look on the sub-timings (that will be different, between such configs, as they will probably be not controlled), that are affected by it, in YT description and links the RAM is 3200cl16, they use 3600cl18,  downclocked to 3200cl18  

I really can't tell, if it's better, or worse. We have to little info to tell, if it's in the positive, or negative. 

2x16 is single sided nowadays

 

Cl can be ingored as most of the performance comes from the subtimings, hence why 3200c16 performs worse than 3600c18

 

4x8 is generally dual rank as double sided 8gb sticks havent been a thing for quite awhile now, although quad rank would mean lower density ic which means better subs which means even better performance, so its either better or betterer performance than single rank 2x16

 

Very likely to be in the positive in terms of performance gain

[CyberneticTitan]

Ignoring the 12600k + 6700XT build was a bit of a mistake, I wonder if it was a deliberate choice to make the video a bit more interesting.

[TheLANguy]

It's disappointing that we didn't preforum better than those prats on the Red-it.

[DigitalN]

After all the work LTT said they went through not long ago to make sure their videos are error free or fact checked, this video seems like it's back to business as usual. Text overlays different than the video, different parts used than what the description said... What happened to all of the error correcting that was supposed to happen on every video now?

 

4 sticks of RAM instead of 2?

Using a P3 instead of P5 SSD?

Saying a system has 16Gb of RAM but it actually specced 32GB?

 

There are so many misses in this video it's honestly surprising. It's not like it's a huge deal in the scope of the video but considering what a big stink Linus made about as close to 100% accuracy moving forward only a few months ago it's odd this video is so all over the place.

[podkall]

10 hours ago, MyNameWontFi said:

The XMP was disabled on that RX 6800 PC. (go to 8:02)

wait really? @Somerandomtechyboi should the Tcas timing be T20 and clocks 1333Mhz if the XMP was enabled? (@ 8:02)

[Somerandomtechyboi]

4 minutes ago, podkall said:

wait really? @Somerandomtechyboi should the Tcas timing be T20 and clocks 1333Mhz if the XMP was enabled? (@ 8:02)

Havent used hwinfo much as i mainly use speedfan for temp monitoring and cpuz for freq

 

But yea looks like xmp is disabled assuming hwinfo is accurate which afaik it usually is

 

I mean even a basic xmp will do better than crappy jedec timings cause those timings are abhorrent (including trfc) so thatd problably be a pretty decent performance hit

[MilesFarber]

The Paid Shill Killer - AMD Ryzen 5 7600, Radeon RX 7800 XT, Cooler Master MasterBox Q300L MicroATX Mini Tower - PCPartPicker

 

This is officially the worst video you have ever created, ever. It was so blatantly fake, that i HAD to create an LLT account. I DEMAND an explanation.

[MilesFarber]

Just now, MilesFarber said:

The Paid Shill Killer - AMD Ryzen 5 7600, Radeon RX 7800 XT, Cooler Master MasterBox Q300L MicroATX Mini Tower - PCPartPicker

 

This is officially the worst video you have ever created, ever. It was so blatantly fake, that i HAD to create an LLT account. I DEMAND an explanation.

 

[filpo]

50 minutes ago, MilesFarber said:

 

I mean good job, but that ram really is wimpy. And that case is quite outdated, a g300a would've been better

 

51 minutes ago, MilesFarber said:

I DEMAND an explanation.

Wrong people at the wrong time

 

51 minutes ago, MilesFarber said:

It was so blatantly fake

how? 

[Why_Me]

On 11/18/2023 at 7:10 AM, Plouffe said:

We can tell you how to build a computer all day long, but for fresh info and some human interaction a lot of people head to the forums for help with figuring out what to buy. But which one will offer the best advice?

 

 

 

I never volunteered for a build off contest vs Reddit nor anyone else. All I know from watching that vid just now is that LTT cherry picked one thread from the New Builds & Planning forum that I happened to post on. I've never posted on Reddit nor have I ever read a tech advice thread on Reddit and tmk I've seen two LTT vids in my lifetime ... this one just now and one three or four years ago if I had to guess. With that said a few of my builds were featured on Tom's Hardware back in the day. 

[filpo]

1 minute ago, Why_Me said:

I never volunteered for a build off contest vs Reddit nor anyone else. All I know from watching that vid just now is that LTT cherry picked one thread from the New Builds & Planning forum that I happened to post on.

they probably should've made it a bit clearer that it was a build off and we could've got more of the team on the job (god I sound like the A Team) 

[Why_Me]

23 minutes ago, filpo said:

they probably should've made it a bit clearer that it was a build off and we could've got more of the team on the job (god I sound like the A Team) 

I just looked at that thread. All I saw was some bloke with a $1000 budget using a friends hand-me-down 1080P monitor who was most likely going to need an o/s.

[filpo]

1 minute ago, Why_Me said:

o/s

o/s? like an OS?

[leadeater]

56 minutes ago, filpo said:

they probably should've made it a bit clearer that it was a build off and we could've got more of the team on the job (god I sound like the A Team) 

That would kind of defeat the point though, every person should get the best advice possible not just one person who we think is more important. 

[stenchlord]

19 hours ago, Why_Me said:

I never volunteered for a build off contest vs Reddit nor anyone else. All I know from watching that vid just now is that LTT cherry picked one thread from the New Builds & Planning forum that I happened to post on. I've never posted on Reddit nor have I ever read a tech advice thread on Reddit and tmk I've seen two LTT vids in my lifetime ... this one just now and one three or four years ago if I had to guess. With that said a few of my builds were featured on Tom's Hardware back in the day. 

They say in the video that they created the BethesdaBoi account and the thread for the video and your recommendation was likely chosen because it was the first one under budget.

 

Having said that I think your recommendation was pretty decent but could have done with a little tweaking.

 

This is probably what I would have recommended but it's hard to say how fair this is considering prices fluctuate and I only just configured this now...

 

16GB isn't great specially for streaming while gaming but with tweaks to settings you can make do and while 500GB isn't great for storage, that's something that can be expanded on relatively easily.

 

[TVwazhere]

On 11/19/2023 at 9:05 AM, filpo said:

And that case is quite outdated, a g300a would've been better

A case being "older" does not mean it's inherently worse, devalued or performs it's job worse than it would if it was brand new. Granted, In a shootout between a Fractal Pop Air, G300A and a 215 it gets it's metaphorical d*** kicked in for build quality, airflow potential and build quality. Ask me how I know . But in this instance, a Q300L would have been just fine, and at $40 is a good value for a case, and is very desk space efficient.

 

I also happy to see (as linus was) the importance of case selection in general.

[Why_Me]

7 minutes ago, stenchlord said:

They say in the video that they created the BethesdaBoi account and the thread for the video and your recommendation was likely chosen because it was the first one under budget.

 

Having said that I think your recommendation was pretty decent but could have done with a little tweaking.

 

This is probably what I would have recommended but it's hard to say how fair this is considering prices fluctuate and I only just configured this now...

 

16GB isn't great specially for streaming while gaming but with tweaks to settings you can make do and while 500GB isn't great for storage, that's something that can be expanded on relatively easily.

 

That psu is an overpriced paperweight and that's not nearly enough storage.

[stenchlord]

7 minutes ago, Why_Me said:

That psu is an overpriced paperweight and that's not nearly enough storage.

What's wrong with the PSU? It's perfectly capable of powering the system, I've built two PCs with it (one recently and one 9-10 months ago) and both are still working perfectly.

 

As for storage, yeah I agree but I'd rather sacrifice convenience over performance. Adding more storage is an easier and cheaper option to upgrading performance (e.g. Adding an extra SSD doesn't require replacing anything like upgrading a CPU or GPU.)

[Why_Me]

6 minutes ago, stenchlord said:

What's wrong with the PSU? It's perfectly capable of powering the system, I've built two PCs with it (one recently and one 9-10 months ago) and both are still working perfectly.

 

As for storage, yeah I agree but I'd rather sacrifice convenience over performance. Adding more storage is an easier and cheaper option to upgrading performance (e.g. Adding an extra SSD doesn't require replacing anything like upgrading a CPU or GPU.)

That psu is junk and as in I wouldn't use it if it was given to me for free. When a psu goes out there's a chance it takes other components with it. They key to a decent build is balance ... which means a solid psu, a board with decent VRM's (especially if it's an intel build) and a quality case that doesn't break the bank. I see a lot of builds on this board where peeps have short changed in the case, psu and board categories just in order to fit a certain cpu and/or gpu into the OP's budget.

[stenchlord]

1 minute ago, Why_Me said:

That psu is junk and in I wouldn't use it if it was giving to me for free. When a psu goes out there's a decent chance it takes other components with it. They key to a decent build is balance ... which means a solid psu, a board with decent VRM's (especially if it's an intel build) and a quality case that doesn't break the bank. I see a lot of builds on this board where peeps have short changed in the case, psu and board categories just in order to fit a certain cpu and/or gpu into the OP's budget.

You still haven't explained what makes the PSU junk.

What about it makes it a bad PSU?

[Why_Me]

1 minute ago, stenchlord said:

You still haven't explained what makes the PSU junk.

What about it makes it a bad PSU?

https://cultists.network/140/psu-tier-list/  

Tier C Low-end 
Corsair | CX-M 2021 – CV 650/750W

[stenchlord]

2 minutes ago, Why_Me said:

https://cultists.network/140/psu-tier-list/  

Tier C Low-end 
Corsair | CX-M 2021 – CV 650/750W

It's not on the avoid list and it's not the the list recommended for iGPU builds.

I still don't see the issue. As mentioned, the build recommended isn't going to come close to loading the PSU.

 

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for tiers C & B : mostly based on review availability, objective quality and performance compared to competition in the same tier to highlight the most important models in respective price ranges

Again, doesn't say that it's bad.

[Why_Me]

4 minutes ago, stenchlord said:

It's not on the avoid list and it's not the the list recommended for iGPU builds.

I still don't see the issue. As mentioned, the build recommended isn't going to come close to loading the PSU.

 

Again, doesn't say that it's bad.

That psu is crap and nothing I'd ever recommend. Now you can argue your point until you're blue in the face but the fact remains that it's junk.

[stenchlord]

1 minute ago, Why_Me said:

That psu is crap and nothing I'd ever recommend. Now you can argue your point until you're blue in the face but the fact remains that it's junk.

All I hear is hearsay with no facts to back it up.

 

Is it the best PSU? No, it has limitations due to budget. That doesn't make it bad.

It's capable of delivering the full power, it has good ripple suppression, uses decent caps and comes with a 5 year warranty.

 

Perhaps if you researched parts properly, you'd be able to recommend actual good value for performance builds.

[TylerD321]

7 minutes ago, Why_Me said:

That psu is crap and nothing I'd ever recommend. Now you can argue your point until you're blue in the face but the fact remains that it's junk.

With the way the video was structured it would probably do well. The best way to get points as they had it set up is to basically get the cheapest semi decent storage, psu, mobo, and ram you can find and then an ok cpu and the best gpu you can squeeze the rest out. I wonder what kind of performance you could realistically get if you basically got like a 128/256 gb SSD and other shortcuts.

 

All in all not sustainable for a long term build like yours was imo.