What is a good performing setup that won't turn my gaming room into a sauna?

[Wolf_Lbh]

I'm looking to get a setup that can at least run AAA games at 1080p with max settings or 4k with above high settings and won't give me heatstroke if I play for a few hours. My budget for cpu, mobo, and memory is $1200 but flexible if something really good is near that range and I plan on upgrading my gpu later.

[jaslion]

Open the window and get a fan that is the real solution :p.

 

Basically the more power the system consumes the more heat is put out the quicker your room will be warmed up.

 

So depending on how important heat is and if you want to fix the issue of temperature with a cheap solution you'll have to let me know the primary focus. Performance or less heat output.

 

Also 4k gaming is way out of your budget without doing quite a bit of fsr or dlss.

 

Just do default 1440p 27 inch monitor at 100hz+ and call it a day.

 

 

[flibberdipper]

I'm slightly out of the loop on hardware, however I think? this is probably pretty damn close to the way you want to go assuming you need a full build with no extras like a monitor, peripherals, etc.

 

Good CPU, 32GB of RAM that's not even dogshit slow (that capacity matters more than you would think nowadays), 2TB SSD with a pretty decent balance between endurance, speed, and price, and a weirdly fast GPU for the price range I had left. Wasn't sure if you'd need WiFi or not, so I went with a board that had that.

 

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A little bit of tuning here and there and I think you'd have a pretty lethal combo. I myself have a 12600KF + RTX 2080 and thanks to spending more time than I care to admit obsessing over power draw, I'm able to keep my non-airconditioned room from turning me into a steak unless it's absurdly hot outside.

[TatamiMatt]

No matter what you get, generally speaking the higher performance the system, the more heat it produces, even with ample cooling, the heat still gets dumped into the room.

 

With that said, try getting the most power efficient chips you can, gpus etc as they will use less power to do the same thing, AMDs high end chips run a looot cooler than intels current headliners for example.

 

Also, following this, undervolting the individual things will make them produce less heat for very similar if not identical performance

[Dedayog]

13 minutes ago, Wolf_Lbh said:

I'm looking to get a setup that can at least run AAA games at 1080p with max settings or 4k with above high settings and won't give me heatstroke if I play for a few hours. My budget for cpu, mobo, and memory is $1200 but flexible if something really good is near that range and I plan on upgrading my gpu later.

A PC converts electricity to work + heat.  The more work you do, the more heat by product you create.

 

This is physics.  Minimize the amount of work being done by lowering settings, detail, etc.  Remove extraneous items you don't need (like clocks, goofy powered lighted toys, etc).  Ensure good airflow in the room (usually very hard as rooms are walled containers).

 

Like with your body, if you don't want to get hot, don't do work

 

[Mark Kaine]

57 minutes ago, jaslion said:

Open the window

 

 

that's what im doing! no issues!  just hope it doesn't rain!

 

[Mark Kaine]

55 minutes ago, TatamiMatt said:

No matter what you get, generally speaking the higher performance the system, the more heat it produces, even with ample cooling, the heat still gets dumped into the room.

 

With that said, try getting the most power efficient chips you can, gpus etc as they will use less power to do the same thing, AMDs high end chips run a looot cooler than intels current headliners for example.

 

Also, following this, undervolting the individual things will make them produce less heat for very similar if not identical performance

most heat seems to come from psu typically (unless people have one of those 90c + hotspot gpus i guess)

overall id say my pc warms up my room about 2-3c max... not really worth mentioning in the grandscheme...

 

AND YES, THAT'S WITH THE WINDOW CLOSED!!

 

 

[Dedayog]

1 minute ago, Mark Kaine said:

most heat seems to come from psu typically (unless people have one of those 90c + hotspot gpus i guess)

overall id say my pc warms up my room about 2-3c max... not really worth mentioning in the grandscheme...

 

AND YES, THAT'S WITH THE WINDOW CLOSED!!

 

 

Lucky!  When playing Ark especially, I can get almost a 10F delta.  70F A/C set, almost 80F in the room.

 

I'm relegated to a small bedroom/office, as I have been completely emasculated by my gf and stepdaughter

 

[Wolf_Lbh]

I understand that the more power a pc uses the more heat it generates but you'd think there would be a market for people that want performance without heat generation or without an insane power bill. I didn't know I was going into unknown territory here haha.

Also opening a window makes it hotter because my house is cooled via ac and it is typically in the 90s or hotter outside and with my pc running it is going to be hotter than that with the window open. Unfortunately either my pc overwhelms the ac in my game room or my game room doesn't get good flow from my ac because with my pc running it will be like 90+ in my game room with the pc running. It just isn't working. I need something that I can have some fun with that won't cook me alive.

[Dedayog]

Just now, Wolf_Lbh said:

I understand that the more power a pc uses the more heat it generates but you'd think there would be a market for people that want performance without heat generation or without an insane power bill. I didn't know I was going into unknown territory here haha.

There is no performance without heat generation tho, as you say you understand.  Since performance requires power and power generates heat.

 

If you can solve this, you win a lot.

[KaitouX]

It's pretty easy to lower the ridiculous power usage from many high-end parts while barely losing performance. It obviously will still generate heat, but the difference between having a 13900K and 4090 for a total of a 500W+ usage at stock, and limiting both slightly, losing 5~10% performance but reducing the total power consumption to ~350W is a significant difference. Obviously choosing more efficient parts also help, the only issue is being able to find which is the more efficient, as most current PC parts are extremely badly optimized for efficiency out of the box, and the stock results might not reflect the efficiency when limiting them. Using the 13900K and 4090 as examples, the 13900K is able to reach 80% of stock performance(in heavy MT tasks) while using 125W, while the 4090 is able to reach nearly 90% of stock while using ~280W. The 7950X and 7900X are worse offenders of this as you can nearly cut the power consumption in half while losing around 10% of performance.

 

On the question of the topic: The main ways you can avoid the issue you're having is to either power limit/undervolt the CPU and GPU, sacrifice a bit of performance but reduce the power consumption by a lot. The other way is to remove the heat from the room, there are a few ways you can do this, usually either by physically moving the PC to another room and running extensions to your room, or by ducting the hot air from the PC to the outside.

[Wolf_Lbh]

16 hours ago, Dedayog said:

There is no performance without heat generation tho, as you say you understand.  Since performance requires power and power generates heat.

 

If you can solve this, you win a lot.

There is pretty clearly a point where performance begins to cost you exponentially more heat/power for what you get. I'm just trying to find a sweet spot between power draw and what you get for it. If you are willing to give up AAA games in 4k at max settings it shouldn't be impossible to find some significantly lower powered parts that can run your setup.

[Dedayog]

31 minutes ago, Wolf_Lbh said:

There is pretty clearly a point where performance begins to cost you exponentially more heat/power for what you get. I'm just trying to find a sweet spot between power draw and what you get for it. If you are willing to give up AAA games in 4k at max settings it shouldn't be impossible to find some significantly lower powered parts that can run your setup.

While I agree, I think that point is too low for 4K.  I can't see achieving that with components that don't produce the requisite heat.  I think you're stuck at a 60Hz 1080p setup really, probably on a 24 inch LED monitor.   Medium graphics or at least tweaked to minimize shadows and lighting draws.

 

I'd love to see temp charts vs resolution/settings when you get it built.

[Mister Woof]

Just think

 

If your room isn't getting hot then your system has poor airflow and is insulating it all.

 

You need to exchange the heat from your components to the air, and exhaust that air. That means your room. Then you exhaust your room.

[Wolf_Lbh]

19 hours ago, Mister Woof said:

Just think

 

If your room isn't getting hot then your system has poor airflow and is insulating it all.

 

You need to exchange the heat from your components to the air, and exhaust that air. That means your room. Then you exhaust your room.

Obviously. But there is a difference between my room is 3 degrees warmer vs my room is the temperature of the sun.

[Mister Woof]

4 hours ago, Wolf_Lbh said:

Obviously. But there is a difference between my room is 3 degrees warmer vs my room is the temperature of the sun.

Then you just need more efficient parts to get the same level of performance for less watts

 

or

 

reduce power usage and accept lower performance.

[Wolf_Lbh]

On 10/13/2023 at 10:45 AM, Mister Woof said:

Then you just need more efficient parts to get the same level of performance for less watts

You're not gonna believe this because you evidently didn't read my post or the title but... that is exactly what I asked for advice to help me figure out. Mindblown.gif

[Mister Woof]

4 hours ago, Wolf_Lbh said:

You're not gonna believe this because you evidently didn't read my post or the title but... that is exactly what I asked for advice to help me figure out. Mindblown.gif

Ask for help

 

be hostile

 

gl

[Wolf_Lbh]

8 hours ago, Mister Woof said:

Ask for help

 

be hostile

 

gl

Person asked for help

You ignored what they asked for help and talked down to them as you simply restated what they were asking for help with.

Didn't understand you were being hostile in the firstplace

You're the one going to need luck with social disorders that advanced.