Is There an OC Software That Allows Higher Than +2000 Mem?

[nalfelein]

Title basically.

I sent my main GPU to warranty for repasting and fan change. In the meanwhile, I am using a Gigabyte Windforce 1050 ti (not the g1 gaming one). After digging around for a bit, I learned some OC software allow +2000 mem instead of +1000 like MSI AB does. To my surprise, the card is stable, and gains performance at +2000 mem. So, I am curious about how far I can push it. Is there a way to achieve higher mem speeds?

For now, I am (reluctantly) using AORUS ENGINE as it is the only program I can find that allows +2000.
 

 

[AbydosOne]

1 minute ago, nalfelein said:

To my surprise, the card is stable, and gains performance at +2000 mem. So, I am curious about how far I can push it. Is there a way to achieve higher mem speeds?

Have you checked with GPU-Z or some other independent reporting software to see if the card BIOS is even accepting a 2000MHz offset?

[AAVVIronAlex]

I think you can mod the bios: https://www.techpowerup.com/download/nvidia-nvflash-with-board-id-mismatch-disabled/

[AAVVIronAlex]

https://www.reddit.com/r/overclocking/comments/etudru/gpu_bios_modding/

[nalfelein]

5 minutes ago, AbydosOne said:

Have you checked with GPU-Z or some other independent reporting software to see if the card BIOS is even accepting a 2000MHz offset?

yes. https://imgur.com/a/qABoqJK
 

5 minutes ago, AAVVIronAlex said:

https://www.reddit.com/r/overclocking/comments/etudru/gpu_bios_modding/

Honestly, I find it rather dangerous to meddle with the vbios. I would rather not do it if there is an another option.

[Ottoman420]

42 minutes ago, nalfelein said:

yes. https://imgur.com/a/qABoqJK

This dosent show +1000mhz or +2000mhz applied. it shows 250mhz and 500mhz.

 

Maxing out the memory slider to +1000 in msi afterburner gives my 1050 around +500mhz applied oc on memory clock in gpuz and hwinfo64

[nalfelein]

23 minutes ago, Ottoman420 said:

This dosent show +1000mhz or +2000mhz applied. it shows 250mhz and 500mhz.

 

Maxing out the memory slider to +1000 in msi afterburner gives my 1050 around +500mhz applied oc on memory clock in gpuz and hwinfo64

which you multiply by 4, since its quad fed.

[Helpful Tech Witch]

47 minutes ago, nalfelein said:

yes. https://imgur.com/a/qABoqJK
 

Honestly, I find it rather dangerous to meddle with the vbios. I would rather not do it if there is an another option.

The limit is enforced in the vbios, afaik, at least thats how amd does it. Theres a default clock and a max clock. the oc software just shows you the options available from the vbios.

[Ottoman420]

9 minutes ago, nalfelein said:

which you multiply by 4, since its quad fed.

you sure you dont double it? like ram?

 

I dont know im curious now- if thats true i just got 2000mhz with my 1050 in msi afterburner but msi afterburner shows only 1000mhz to the clock as hwinfo and gpuz shows 500

[SpaceGhostC2C]

52 minutes ago, Ottoman420 said:

This dosent show +1000mhz or +2000mhz applied. it shows 250mhz and 500mhz.

 

27 minutes ago, nalfelein said:

which you multiply by 4, since its quad fed.

 

22 minutes ago, Ottoman420 said:

you sure you dont double it? like ram?

 

I dont know im curious now- if thats true i just got 2000mhz with my 1050 in msi afterburner but msi afterburner shows only 1000mhz to the clock as hwinfo and gpuz shows 500

 

OP, I think the way you talk about "memory " is different from what most people do, hence the confusion. It may also be the reason why you don't find what you're looking for in some OC software.

 

So, to clarify: the reference 1050 Ti has a memory clock speed of 1752 MHz, which translates into 7 Gbps "effective speed". That is ~ 4 x 1752 MHz, indeed.

However, when you say "+2000 memory" people interpret it as a 2000MHz increase in the memory clock speed which, of course, ain't happening (that would mean 3752 MHz, for an effective speed of 15 Gbps). Instead, what you are hinting at is an increase in effective speed of 2 Gbps which, as others have stated, is a 500Mhz increase in the memory clock speed, as shown in GPU-Z.

Edited September 6, 2023 by SpaceGhostC2C
Remove misuse of "bandwidth" to avoid confusion.

[WhitetailAni]

1 minute ago, SpaceGhostC2C said:

 

 

 

OP, I think the way you talk about "memory " is different from what most people do, hence the confusion. It may also be the reason why you don't find what you're looking for in some OC software.

 

So, to clarify: the reference 1050 Ti has a memory clock speed of 1752 MHz, which translates into 7 Gbps "effective bandwidth". That is ~ 4 x 1752 MHz, indeed.

However, when you say "+2000 memory" people interpret it as a 2000MHz increase in the memory clock speed which, of course, ain't happening (that would mean 3752 MHz, for an effective bandwidth of 15 Gbps). Instead, what you are hinting at is an increase in effective bandwidth of 2 Gbps which, as others have stated, is a 500Mhz increase in the memory clock speed, as shown in GPU-Z.

To explain a bit more - DDR RAM actually runs at half the clockspeed it claims to - the DDR stands for Double Data Rate. So it can transmit the same data over a 1600 MHz clock as a single data rate could over 3200 MHz. It's why the official terminology is 3200 MT/s, or megatransfers per second, and not MHz.

 

GDDR is similar, but since raw bandwidth is vastly superior to tight timings for VRAM (it's why it can run so fast, the timings are VERY loose), there's a few other tricks it uses to be effectively quad data rate instead of double. That's why it's multiplied by 4 and not 2.

[Agall]

39 minutes ago, Ottoman420 said:

you sure you dont double it? like ram?

 

I dont know im curious now- if thats true i just got 2000mhz with my 1050 in msi afterburner but msi afterburner shows only 1000mhz to the clock as hwinfo and gpuz shows 500

DDR means "dual data rate", but it gets more complicated with GDDR5x and higher. Example being that GDDR6 is effective quad data rate and GDDR6x is effectively dual quad data rate. Really just means that the memory transfers more than one piece of data on each cycle.

 

Companies then like the big number that can make when factoring in the memory clock, where 10GHz sounds better than 1.3GHz, as an example. Its one hell of a rabbit hole to properly understand how this works, but this is at least some information on it.

 

Doubling I/O Performance with PAM4: Micron Innovates GDDR6X Graphics Memory

 

 

 

 

Also discussed in this LTT thread a while ago with GDDR5.

 

"Effective memory clock speeds in this case refer to the idea that the device is able to achieve more than one data transfers per cycle."

 

[nalfelein]

23 minutes ago, SpaceGhostC2C said:

 

 

 

OP, I think the way you talk about "memory " is different from what most people do, hence the confusion. It may also be the reason why you don't find what you're looking for in some OC software.

 

Indeed I am talking about effective clock speeds. Referring to actual clock would cause more confusion imo. Especially when I am only talking about OC software that deal with effective speeds exclusively. 

 

47 minutes ago, Helpful Tech Witch said:

The limit is enforced in the vbios, afaik, at least thats how amd does it. Theres a default clock and a max clock. the oc software just shows you the options available from the vbios.

That's a bummer. I don't think I want to modify my vbios since I will use the card for 2 weeks at max. Thank you for the info.

[DildorTheDecent]

4 minutes ago, nalfelein said:

That's a bummer. I don't think I want to modify my vbios since I will use the card for 2 weeks at max. Thank you for the info.

It doesn't matter whether you want to our not. You can't modify the BIOS because the GPU uses the Pascal architecture and a publicly available BIOS editor does not exist.

[AAVVIronAlex]

4 hours ago, nalfelein said:

yes. https://imgur.com/a/qABoqJK
 

Honestly, I find it rather dangerous to meddle with the vbios. I would rather not do it if there is an another option.

Yea, I agree.

[WhitetailAni]

8 hours ago, DildorTheDecent said:

You can't modify the BIOS because the GPU uses the Pascal architecture

Correct me if I'm wrong but weren't some tools recently released to bypass this?

I know the lack of a VBIOS editor makes it very very difficult but if you do manage to edit it, it should be at least possible.

[DildorTheDecent]

4 minutes ago, WhitetailAni said:

Correct me if I'm wrong but weren't some tools recently released to bypass this?

I know the lack of a VBIOS editor makes it very very difficult but if you do manage to edit it, it should be at least possible.

No. Those tools are to bypass flashing restrictions entirely. OP could still flash the BIOS from a high end GTX 1050 Ti to his card but as far as editing goes, there's still no publicly available BIOS editor for Pascal and later.