Madison reveals experiences working at LMG

[Owsleygarcia95]

Anyone else curious how many people will be watching WAN show on Friday? I would think 30k+ at least but who knows. I guess some people do have lives and it is a Friday night. But I would think a bunch of people are going to want to see how Linus handles this. What do you guys think? 

[Owsleygarcia95]

2 hours ago, ModernAmericanPro said:

Hmm, one thing I notice as I re-watch this video is that Madison makes unprompted crass jokes. E.g. "I'm a sexy little baby." 

I wonder if she continued that behavior when she was employed at LMG? 

Yeah that's interesting. There's 2 sides to every story. I've been wondering since I read her Twitter thread why she's so specific about people being mean and extremely vague when she mentions the serious allegations. 

[Mertrodome]

45 minutes ago, Uzrathixius said:

It's how men talk with each other.

I hope one day I can be a Real Man so I can say homophobic and ableist slurs to my friends too

[NavyEmt]

Until someone else comes out and backs up her claims then this is just a claim from one persons point of view. 

[Zodiark1593]

13 hours ago, wanderingfool2 said:

 

 

Well I think it's also important to note that many of the things like SH and SA are things that females face more in the tech world; and in essentially a club filled with guys (it shouldn't be it is).  As such, when the majority of people you see happen to be males; you wouldn't necessarily know whether or not it's toxic or not (and to an extent some females are also okay with some type of lewd type of humor, there was someone in my work where she would be the one who starts the jokes like that...but a lot of the time it's not).

 

 

I’d imagine there is also substantial pressure to partake in such humor, if for nothing else but to fit in, even if lines get crossed. 

[I Just Want Ram Drives]

8 hours ago, ModernAmericanPro said:

Hmm, one thing I notice as I re-watch this video is that Madison makes unprompted crass jokes. E.g. "I'm a sexy little baby." 

I wonder if she continued that behavior when she was employed at LMG? 

If you wanna say she deserved it, just say it directly instead of trying to be coy about your disgusting views.

[I Just Want Ram Drives]

5 hours ago, NavyEmt said:

Until someone else comes out and backs up her claims then this is just a claim from one persons point of view. 

Multiple people have backed her up.

[BetteBalterZen]

5 minutes ago, I Just Want Ram Drives said:

Multiple people have backed her up.

Not that I'm saying I don't believe that but can we see that somewhere, somehow? 

[austinthetaco]

8 hours ago, ModernAmericanPro said:

Hmm, one thing I notice as I re-watch this video is that Madison makes unprompted crass jokes. E.g. "I'm a sexy little baby." 

I wonder if she continued that behavior when she was employed at LMG? 

She has multiple tweets of her talking about wildly sexual things. Like fisting and all sorts of other stuff. I can't find a link because it's unsearchable at this point or she has since deleted them, but there are images on reddit somewhere. 

[Stahlmann]

12 hours ago, starsmine said:

Made up their mind about what?

If the public hears about such allegations, most people lose interest about the whole situation BEFORE there is a real verdict that is made in court for example. And because of that, even if the allegations turn out to be wrong, most people who heard about them will not hear that they're wrong. With stuff like this, allegations can completely ruin someone even if they're proven wrong.

 

So in Twitter's mind LTT and Linus already are abusers and no matter how it will turn out, most people will either stick with their own narrative because they like it more or don't care long enough to ever hear the truth.

 

Whoever is in the wrong should be persecuted. If you're throwing around stuff like this, you better have proof to back it up. Chances are very high that LMG will go after them with a defamation lawsuit. They probably already lost huge amounts of money due to the GN video and Madison's claims just because of sponsors jumping ship.

[ColinJ451]

10 hours ago, Drazil100 said:

Regardless of if she did or didn’t doesn’t matter. What matters is whether people respect you when you ask them to stop. The allegation’s are far worse than some crass jokes though so I hardly think it matters. 

What did change as a result of her previous association was her probation was handled differently compared to other employees. I have watched the Ian Cutress video and posted this

I will admit that I questioned Madisons timing but having gone through the reasons and situation she was put in it became clear. There are two points. She was dumped in to a new role in the company when it appeared she was probably unsuited and unsupported to achieve what it was expected. However her details of treatment is awful, not the least of her bait and switch contract offer before she even started as it was clear she wanted to continue streaming while working at LMG and if the board as it was then were aware of this then it becomes a whole lot more serious especially if the concerns were made and not addressed at the time. I hope this does result in retrospective action against anyone involved however I am not sure what action that will look like, I am not sure what resolution she would want from this and I am wondering if she has thought that far ahead.

[ModernAmericanPro]

1 hour ago, I Just Want Ram Drives said:

If you wanna say she deserved it, just say it directly instead of trying to be coy about your disgusting views.

I don’t have a view for you to be disgusted by. The question at hand isn’t whether she deserved what she alleges, because of course she didn’t. 
 

The question is whether she is being honest about what happened. I am waiting to hear both sides and I am observing the small amount of evidence that is available so far. Given that this happened a while ago, and given the nature of the allegations, the evidence will be scant. 
 

The evidence that I have seen so far is Madison’s statement, another former employee stating that her story hasn’t changed much over time (makes her more credible), and this video where she is the one making inappropriate jokes. 
 

Again, if all of her allegations are true, then she didn’t deserve it. 

[Giganthrax]

17 hours ago, creat0r said:

Not to argue against you, but how many female faces has been there for many years besides Yvonne and Sarah? Even if it's a few more, the percentage of women with long careers in LMG is probably not a lot.

I think this has more to do with the industry. Women on average just aren't as interested in technology and computers as men are, so it's probably much harder to find a tech-savvy woman to work at a company like LMG, and they probably aren't as interested in sticking around for a long time as guys are.

 

If women were leaving LMG because of sexual harassment or were otherwise treated badly due to their sex, I believe we would've heard a lot more about it by now (LMG is pretty high-profile and there's a lot of very public backlash about this sort of stuff for companies like Activision Blizzard). Also, while I obviously don't know Linus and Yvonne personally and can't say for sure what their actual values are, I'm of the opinion that the two of them would never allow something like this to go on under their noses.

 

In any case, I hate how these allegations have been publicly thrown out there via twitter, instead of going through proper channels. I hope the truth comes to light soon.

[Someona]

11 hours ago, starsmine said:

Does not matter if the behavior did or did not. It literally has ZERO to do with anything. 
A person wearing a skirt is not, and never is "asking for it"
A person who makes a sexual joke is not and is never "asking for it"

Consent can be taken away, and when it does, it's not there anymore. A joke you make with a friend is different than a joke you make with a different group of friends.

There is NO such thing as asking for it other than, literally asking for it. 

Wow this analogy got massacred.

 

Was Linus asking for it then?

 

Can he claim sexual harassment and call the authorities because she repeatedly told him sex jokes?

 

So we have 0 evidence anyone told/discussed sex jokes/topics at Madison, while we have dozens of videographed instances wherr she told sex jokes to coworkers.

 

How come you claim she is the one who got sexually harassed?

[AHPanda]

12 hours ago, Uzrathixius said:

 Bruh, already do, we call each other that and a million other things. It's called a healthy working environment. It's how men talk with each other. You know the saying, guys fake insult each other while girls fake complement each other. Don't trust a man who hasn't called you a slur at least once. 

You've clearly never worked in a toxic environment. But TIL everyone talking like friends and being chummy is toxic. No wonder this thread is so ape.

'Calling people slurs and insults' and 'healthy working environment' don't mix well and you won't be able to convince me otherwise.

[iVar Pro Plus]

28 minutes ago, AHPanda said:

'Calling people slurs and insults' and 'healthy working environment' don't mix well and you won't be able to convince me otherwise.

I'm sorry that you feel that way, personally I find such working environment refreshing and seem more honest. The context of those "insults" is very important as they must be lighthearted and without malice in mind. If someone feels insulted in that kind of workplace, should speak up and those wishes should be respect for that person only. Changing the experience for others is by definition selfish and will create hostility within the workforce. Healthy working environment is one that adapts to the needs and nature of the collective but is capable of making thought out exceptions for individuals. 

[starsmine]

7 hours ago, Giganthrax said:

I think this has more to do with the industry. Women on average just aren't as interested in technology and computers as men are, so it's probably much harder to find a tech-savvy woman to work at a company like LMG, and they probably aren't as interested in sticking around for a long time as guys are.

Women are interested in technology. Women also have little interest in joining a boys club where they have to prove themselves to have the privlege of being in twice as often than in other fields.

the whole field is toxic towards women, so and it starts at a young age. Where concepts such as women are bad a math, and other societal clown ideas. 
 

without support, people nope out.

 

some of my most brilliant EE and csc. professors are still sexist as all hell. And while they hide it, it slips out. So unless a women has twice the passion for the field as I do, why subjugate your self to that bullshit.

 

[Owsleygarcia95]

5 hours ago, austinthetaco said:

She has multiple tweets of her talking about wildly sexual things. Like fisting and all sorts of other stuff. I can't find a link because it's unsearchable at this point or she has since deleted them, but there are images on reddit somewhere. 

Sounds about right. I have no proof (neither does anyone else) but I think she had some minor conflict/resentments with her bosses ( like most people) and is highly exaggerating this whole thing for a lawsuit. Only time will tell.

[starsmine]

5 minutes ago, Owsleygarcia95 said:

Sounds about right. I have no proof (neither does anyone else) but I think she had some minor conflict/resentments with her bosses ( like most people) and is highly exaggerating this whole thing for a lawsuit. Only time will tell.

Ahhhhh the idea that making sexual jokes means that they are asking for it continues with yet another poster.

 

repeat after me, a person who makes sex jokes is not a person requesting to be sexually harassed. Her making sex jokes does not inform the situation.

[Owsleygarcia95]

3 minutes ago, starsmine said:

Ahhhhh the idea that making sexual jokes means that they are asking for it continues with yet another poster.

 

repeat after me, a person who makes sex jokes is not a person requesting to be sexually harassed. Her making sex jokes does not inform the situation.

I didn't say she was asking for it. I said we have no proof of anything. People do get found innocent of SH and SA. I just don't find her story that convincing. The idea that women never lie is ridiculous.

[Someona]

1 hour ago, starsmine said:

Ahhhhh the idea that making sexual jokes means that they are asking for it continues with yet another poster.

 

repeat after me, a person who makes sex jokes is not a person requesting to be sexually harassed. Her making sex jokes does not inform the situation.

What do you mean, you can go and just tell sexual jokes to a coworker? And if they respond they're sexually harassing you?

 

Or you're the one who's sexually harassing them?

[LukesterFire]

On 8/16/2023 at 3:30 AM, mMontana said:

I know nothing about Madison and LMG labour relation. 

I cannot say if what Madison writes on twitter is true or not, timing is anyway... odd. And I'm asking myself why this was not reported to authorities in due time, if unlegal or vessatory.

 

I feel uncomfortable that something like that is discussed here, into a space of the other party of this supposed quarrel.

It appears you still have faith in our legal systems. Many of us do not. This is a reality of workplace regulations. As Linus has expressed himself during the "Trust me bro" incident, the unfortunate reality is that none of the protections matter if you do not have the money, time, or energy to sue

[mMontana]

Or I don't want to throw anything for things sayd from another person?

[NavyEmt]

At the end of the day, none of this matters, unless audio and video evidence are there. This happened 2 years ago and peoples memory of events are not proof, and can be manipulated.

 

[Bren29]

8 minutes ago, NavyEmt said:

At the end of the day, none of this matters, unless audio and video evidence are there. This happened 2 years ago and peoples memory of events are not proof, and can be manipulated.

 

one of the video is the pc build for Madison... the trash talk and sex jokes come from her . I found her very funny and entertaining and was thinking at the time that she would be a very good addition to the team on camera. Unfortunately for her , it doesn t serve her case ...

Carreful. i m not saying she is wrong. to my knowledge she was not working for LMG at this point.

 

Like JAYZ2CENT said " this is now criminal investigation , we have to let it unfold and can't comment on it "