Madison reveals experiences working at LMG

[Majestic12]

2 hours ago, Cooldoe said:

It is interesting that both colin and teren specifically mention that they did not see the incident but corroborate that madison story is consistent

I still hold my opinion that she likely believes her own story 100% but that she had tunnel vision and interpreted many things the wrong way or let them become "bigger" than they were (intended to be).

 

No-one is perfect and at work I've said stuff I regretted as well to my (female) colleagues. With male colleagues I can be pretty honest & open but with my female colleagues I need to thread very carefully because they take things to heart much quicker. I had discussed a customer complaint with a male colleague during the investigation stage and discovered a female colleague was to blame and she gave me a whole lecture about how sexist it was for me to discuss her mistakes with another male colleague. I'm not kidding ... .

 

My gut instinct tells me Madison is capable of this as well - she seemed (and still seems) to be struggling with insecurities and was likely seeing ghosts. Some of the "nastier" stuff will likely have happened for real and it won't have helped her insecurities but she lacks the experience to properly be able to emotionally handle what many may consider "normal" office politics where people have good & bad days.

[Uttamattamakin]

1 hour ago, Someona said:

So even in the one definition you decided to source, it states that "but there does not need to be an imbalance of power for it occur"

 

Let's hear it from Canada itself:

 

So when Madison told that sex joke at the work place to Linus if Linus felt awkward that means that she sexually harassed him.

Only if the people are equal.    But whatever.  I'm sure a boss and chairman of the board of directors could totally sue a secretary for sexual harassment. 

 

50 minutes ago, HenrySalayne said:

I agree, but finding another job should be the last straw. The first thing should be to speak with your employer. They should also have an incentive to create a positive, inviting work environment. Unhappy employees do less work and take more sick days. If the employer is unable or unwilling to fix the work environment, switch positions or look for another job.

Not only should that be the first thing... but... to start a case with the government one has to show that they reported the harassment and nothing was done.  These sort of government questionaires tend to ask. 

Did you report it internally?  What was done? 
Has anyone similarly situated reported a similar event?  What was done? 

etc. etc. 

[Cooldoe]

Just now, Majestic12 said:

I still hold my opinion that she likely believes her own story 100% but that she had tunnel vision and interpreted many things the wrong way or let them become "bigger" than they were (intended to be).

 

No-one is perfect and at work I've said stuff I regretted as well to my (female) colleagues. With male colleagues I can be pretty honest & open but with my female colleagues I need to thread very carefully because they take things to heart much quicker. I had discussed a customer complaint with a male colleague during the investigation stage and discovered a female colleague was to blame and she gave me a whole lecture about how sexist it was for me to discuss her mistakes with another male colleague. I'm not kidding ... .

 

My gut instinct tells me Madison is capable of this as well - she seemed (and still seems) to be struggling with insecurities and was likely seeing ghosts. Some of the "nastier" stuff will likely have happened for real and it won't have helped her insecurities but she lacks the experience to properly be able to emotionally handle what many may consider "normal" office politics where people have good & bad days.

I do have the same view with you on this

It seem to be Mandison clearly believe her version of the story.

Unfortunately she can be confidently wrong as well.

[dave6018]

On 8/16/2023 at 10:28 PM, Middcore said:

 

Really says a lot about your mindset when your first instinct is to find other women to blame. 

I think your missing the point, if their is a culture at ltt, which I don't think their is! It wouldn't just be Madison who would of been affected by this!! I'm not quite sure how your thinking I'm blaming a women!!  

[Uttamattamakin]

5 minutes ago, Majestic12 said:

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She wrote of being physically and inappropriately touched.  That's not ghost. 

[Middcore]

Just now, dave6018 said:

I think your missing the point, if their is a culture at ltt, which I don't think their is! It wouldn't just be Madison who would of been affected by this!! 

 

As I discussed in multiple other posts, you cannot make the assumption that a person who abused or harassed Madison would necessarily have done the same to all the other women working there. The psychology of it doesn't work like that. Some malefactors target individuals for a variety of reasons. 

[Mertrodome]

10 minutes ago, leadeater said:

 

I think you are missing the actual point. You can list all the things you did but ultimately it actually has nothing to do with what was being said. You can have all those things in place however an employer cannot stop an accident from happening. If you sign an employment contract to be a bus driver then you are in fact accepting that having one is a possible chance as part of your employment. Nobody could ever offer you employment as a bus driver without that risk.

 

You're arguing around the actual fundamental point.

Sure, but if the employer some day decided they want to run a different type of bus that is similar, but different in a few key ways, and just expects them to do it, even without any training and when they've expressed that they're not comfortable driving it, it kinda moves past the accepted, understood risk and becomes its own thing.

It's not to suggest that risk assessment is the same thing as removing all risk, but it is about finding the appropriate way to minimise that risk. And that the risk to mental health of using a different, and expressly NSFW, platform should probably have been treated like bringing in a new form of bus. Especially when the employee tasked with it expressed reservations about it.

 

But like I said earlier, we don't actually know if LMG had this kind of thinking. It's entirely possible they did exactly what's being spoken about already before assigning Madison to the OnlyFans account. Really we're all just speaking hypothetically here anyway.

[dave6018]

On 8/16/2023 at 10:44 PM, William Isted said:

The response of someone who hasn’t gone back in the thread for info. And someone I wouldn’t want to know IRL.

No but somebody who has dealt with this in the real world, but what do i know. If you did your own research and study Madison tweets you will find it very interesting!!  Just let's say I can see why she didn't do the legal route!!  Your last bit killed me!! You don't want to know me how will I sleep at night!! How old are you 5? 

[leadeater]

7 minutes ago, Mertrodome said:

Sure, but if the employer some day decided they want to run a different type of bus that is similar, but different in a few key ways, and just expects them to do it, even without any training and when they've expressed that they're not comfortable driving it, it kinda moves past the accepted, understood risk and becomes its own thing.

No again that actually isn't the point about what was being said, if you drive a bus then you have as part of your job a risk of a vehicular accident. Can you tell me is there any way that this is not a possible outcome? As long as everyone involved knows it's a possibility and everyone is equally informed about it then signing the employment contract is accepting that possibility.

 

This is a different issue to Health and Safety policies and procedures.

 

It is also different but also very related to changes in job activities and being asked to do something that isn't in the employment agreement. This is a common issue and a common cause of work place dispute and accidents. Complaints about having to do something that you did not receive the training for is not that uncommon, that training may exist but was not given since it wasn't part of the role employed for etc.

[leadeater]

7 minutes ago, HenrySalayne said:

that being involved in an accident is part of the job and there is nothing anybody could do about that

That is absolutely the situation, whether you want to accept that or not. Being involved in one is part of the job, if it happens. Any bus driver would/should know that going in, they expect proper work place safety etc etc but if an accident happens there is no argument to be had that this isn't unfortunately part of the job, it was an understood risk and potentiality when accepting employment.

 

It's often why in such work sectors accident pay and time off is part of it, because it is an unavoidable part of the job.

[Majestic12]

15 minutes ago, Uttamattamakin said:

She wrote of being physically and inappropriately touched.  That's not ghost. 

I implore you to read what I wrote properly:

 

"Some of the "nastier" stuff will likely have happened for real"

 

Because she's so vague we have no idea what actually happened though and these are some serious accusations. If someone really groped her ass it would be different than someone putting an arm around her but we're left to guesswork so it's best we just leave that one be unless more is revealed.

[castlev]

Context is everything. Show me 2 different people at work. Both tell me to "calm my dick."

The one I know and who I am jovial with, I would think it was funny.

The one I don't like, I would think was a douche.

Context is so important.

Context can also be twisted after the fact. If I was fired from that job, what's to stop me from launching allegations against either employee for harassment, even if my encounters with the likeable employee were acceptable FOR ME AT THAT TIME?

Nothing. It's why you have to be careful.

It's also why I don't joke around with female employees like that, and as a result, why females talk about the boys club in news articles and such.

You cant treat everybody equally, you just can't, that's a fact. Personal trust, friendships, and relationships, are how you decide who to treat and how.

[Cosmic Emotion]

Does anyone else wonder if and when GN's video on this is gonna drop?

[dave6018]

7 minutes ago, Middcore said:

 

As I discussed in multiple other posts, you cannot make the assumption that a person who abused or harassed Madison would necessarily have done the same to all the other women working there. The psychology of it doesn't work like that. Some malefactors target individuals for a variety of reasons. 

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7 minutes ago, Middcore said:

 

As I discussed in multiple other posts, you cannot make the assumption that a person who abused or harassed Madison would necessarily have done the same to all the other women working there. The psychology of it doesn't work like that. Some malefactors target individuals for a variety of reasons. 

You also cant make assumptions they didn't, people are habitual creatures!! But  after it all came out I did my own research and came across a few interesting things oh and go and read Madison's tweets for the last few years!!(never believe what your told always double check)Then make your own mind up and oh and my job that I have done for 20 years is around HR and investigations which includes EU and UK employment law. 

[Mertrodome]

8 minutes ago, leadeater said:

No again that actually isn't the point about what was being said, if you drive a bus then you have as part of your job a risk of a vehicular accident. Can you tell me is there any way that this is not a possible outcome? As long as everyone involved knows it's a possibility and everyone is equally informed about it then signing the employment contract is accepting that possibility.

 

This is a different issue to Health and Safety policies and procedures.

 

It is also different but also very related to changes in job activities and being asked to do something that isn't in the employment agreement. This is a common issue and a common cause of work place dispute and accidents. Complaints about having to do something that you did not receive the training for is not that uncommon, that training may exist but was not given since it wasn't part of the role employed for etc.

Yeah of course, that's fair. I didn't realise the person you'd responded to was saying there should be some way to remove risk entirely. Of course that's just not possible, and there are unavoidable risks that are built into just about every job.

 

I see where you're coming from now. My point throughout has always been about the latter part, with the addition of duties that weren't part of the original job. Sorry for the confusion, I certainly hadn't intended to misrepresent what you were saying.

[Mertrodome]

2 minutes ago, Cosmic Emotion said:

Does anyone else wonder if and when GN's video on this is gonna drop?

I highly doubt GN will comment on it. If they do at all it'll be in a Hardware News segment type thing just mentioning that it's happening, but I wouldn't expect them to give any kind of opinion on it while it's still being investigated.

[Majestic12]

Just now, Cosmic Emotion said:

Does anyone else wonder if and when GN's video on this is gonna drop?

If you ask me: never unless it's all done & dusted.

 

Steve may be eager to twist a knife in a wound he created which he did with the cooling block but I doubt he's going to want to touch this because it's pure allegations and if it turns out Madison wasn't quite as truthful he's set to lose a lot of credibility. He already overstepped his mark with his original video where he made unfounded allegations by wilfully refusing to hear the other sound of the coin. In this story this would be impossible because LMG will NEVER talk about this publicly in case it ever comes to a lawsuit so at most GN would be able to say "there are allegations".

[Middcore]

Just now, Cosmic Emotion said:

Does anyone else wonder if and when GN's video on this is gonna drop?

 

I don't think GN would touch this. This is not in their wheelhouse and they have no more way of getting to the truth of the matter than any other outside observer does. You seem to be implying that GN is just waiting for another opportunity to kick LMG while it's down. 

[Cosmic Emotion]

Just now, Mertrodome said:

I highly doubt GN will comment on it. If they do at all it'll be in a Hardware News segment type thing just mentioning that it's happening, but I wouldn't expect them to give any kind of opinion on it while it's still being investigated.

Yeah that's what I'm expecting as well. I can't wait though, I really would like to know Steve's opinion on the whole situation.

[Middcore]

3 minutes ago, dave6018 said:

You also cant make assumptions they didn't

 

I didn't.

 

You seem to be be also making the assumption that if a malefactor at LTT treated other women there in similar fashion, those women would speak publicly about it. This would not necessarily be the case.

 

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But  after it all came out I did my own research

 

Just like you have on the moon landing, I suppose. 

[starsmine]

36 minutes ago, castlev said:

Context is everything. Show me 2 different people at work. Both tell me to "calm my dick."

The one I know and who I am jovial with, I would think it was funny.

The one I don't like, I would think was a douche.

Context is so important.

Context can also be twisted after the fact. If I was fired from that job, what's to stop my from launching allegations against either employee for harassment, even if my encounters with the likeable employee were acceptable FOR ME AT THAT TIME?

Nothing. It's why you have to be careful.

It's also why I don't joke around with female employees like that, and as a result, why females talk about the boys club in news articles and such.

You cant treat everybody equally, you just can't, that's a fact. Personal trust, friendships, and relationships, are how you decide who to treat and how.

Both Colin and Taran have said, unequivocally. Madison's complaints have NOT changed. There is no twisting "after the fact" in this case.

[Middcore]

Just now, starsmine said:

Both Colin and Terren have said, unequivocally. Madison's complaints have NOT changed. There is no twisting "after the fact" in this case.

 

*Taran

 

Taran Van Hemert is the former editor at LTT who has said that Madison told him these same things shortly after she quit. I just want to avoid any confusion with Terren Tong, who is the new LMG CEO. 

[leadeater]

2 minutes ago, Mertrodome said:

Yeah of course, that's fair. I didn't realise the person you'd responded to was saying there should be some way to remove risk entirely. Of course that's just not possible, and there are unavoidable risks that are built into just about every job.

 

I see where you're coming from now. My point throughout has always been about the latter part, with the addition of duties that weren't part of the original job. Sorry for the confusion, I certainly hadn't intended to misrepresent what you were saying.

Don't worry about it, we all have a point we are trying to make and sometimes that results in not interpreting well what some else has said. It's actually really easy to read something under the narrative of your own discussion point and that effects what you think the other person was saying.

 

It's interesting in so much that here both point of views and discussion lines are true, or true ish. An employer simply cannot just make you operate in unsafe working conditions because you knew going in the element of risk you are being exposed to was known and part of the job. "You knew you would be handling heated metal so I don't need to provide heat resistant gloves".

 

Anyway I'm a little confused as to the origin point of this anymore and don't feel it is my place to speak much about it past what I have.

 

Health and Safety sucks, it's why I haven't wanted to move in to a team leader role or management. I'm quite happy to not be responsible for all that type of thing.

 

Interesting aspect of my job is that we were looking at making all our datacenters in to hypoxic atmosphere for fire control. That became an issue because then those areas would become restricted areas with training required and evidence of completion before being allow access, as well as a health assessment and there were some people that would have been incapable of working in such an environment lifting and moving equipment. So we have yet to implement that fire control system because it effects employees ability to carry out work and it would be a change in working conditions.

[castlev]

8 minutes ago, starsmine said:

Both Colin and Terren have said, unequivocally. Madison's complaints have NOT changed. There is no twisting "after the fact" in this case.

How do you know her attitude didn't change from the time the events happened (assuming they did), to the time she felt slighted and first told her story?

[Madpaatch]

I'm just curious how this Madison situation will develop and wondering if the one week pause isn't by any chance related (sponsors pulling out remembering #MeToo avalanche?)