What would you do? (3070 vs 6800 XT vram debacle)

[OnionRings]

So I bought a 3070 Ti, and somebody I don't remember who commented on an old post of mine and said to get a 6800 XT instead, because the vram limits of the 8GB card would eventually catch up. I didn't listen because I had already placed the order and didn't wanna go through the hassle of a cancel and refund, then searching for another card, so I committed to the 3070 Ti and not 2 months later, I'm seeing what they were talking about.

 

So now my debacle is do I try to sell this card (I bought from stockx and they don't do returns, plus its been 2 months) on the second hand market, and then try to find a 6800 XT for a good price, or ride it out and hope that its only a few games causing issues with vram. Atm its just re4 remake and last of us part 1, but there could be many more in the future... I am now panicking. I already over paid for this thing because I was eager to start playing 1440p, I paid 721 after stockx fees shipping all that, card itself was 640.

 

Buyers remorse activate!

[Eigenvektor]

You could always lower texture details in the games where the highest settings go beyond the card's VRAM. Screen resolution has generally very little impact on VRAM usage, texture resolution is the culprit. I'd rather use somewhat lower details than try to flip a card that's still fairly new.

[Action_Johnson]

Ride or die. 

[OnionRings]

12 minutes ago, Eigenvektor said:

You could always lower texture details in the games where the highest settings go beyond the card's VRAM. Screen resolution has generally very little impact on VRAM usage, texture resolution is the culprit. I'd rather use somewhat lower details than try to flip a card that's still fairly new.

Yea, been looking at prices and it might not be worth it, I'd be losing hundreds and then have to still come up with extra to match, to buy an AMD card. I may just have to ride this out and hope not a ton of future games go vram hungry. Then nab something better come next year-ish. Nvidia really screwed the pooch with these 3000 series cards, and then that audacity to charge, what, 800 for a 4070 Ti which was originally a 4080 12gb? Seen plenty of videos on that.

 

 

[Action_Johnson]

This is exactly what Nvidia wanted. They need a reason for people to spend thousands of dollars on 4080's and 4090's. 

 

Meanwhile 6800's on ebay are about $400 and get you to a nice, 16GB buffer. 

[OnionRings]

7 minutes ago, Action_Johnson said:

This is exactly what Nvidia wanted. They need a reason for people to spend thousands of dollars on 4080's and 4090's. 

 

Meanwhile 6800's on ebay are about $400 and get you to a nice, 16GB buffer. 

Yea, it was pretty scummy of them. Really makes me lose my fanboyism towards them, I almost refused to buy AMD cards before, now here I am ready to ditch nvidia.

[GamerDude]

18 minutes ago, OnionRings said:

Yea, it was pretty scummy of them. Really makes me lose my fanboyism towards them, I almost refused to buy AMD cards before, now here I am ready to ditch nvidia.

What nVidia had done with with the RTX 3060 Ti/3070/3070 Ti, by limiting their longevity or usefulness for higher res with just 8GB VRAM, they are also doing with the RTX 4070 Ti 12GB. There're a game or two where it's been shown that 12GB is barely enough, even for 1080P or 1440P (I don't remember which). Yes, the VRAM issue can be resolved by reducing or disabling high res texture, but my question is, "why should they?" when the cards are powerful enough to run everything maxed out IF it weren't for VRAM deficit. 

 

The RTX 4070 Ti is a powerful card, same goes with the upcoming RTX 4070, yet nVidia chose to allot just 12GB (their RTX 3060 12GB has that amount of VRAM, same as AMD's previous gen RX 6700XT/6750XT) though the RTX 4070 Ti is much more powerful and deserves more VRAM buffer. I suspect AMD answer to these cards would be the RX 7800 XT, and I'm almost certain it'd have 16GB of VRAM.

 

Edit - Due to a more sizeable VRAM buffer, the RX 6700 XT/6750 XT/6800/6800 XT/6900 XT would age more gracefully than their competing nVidia counterparts, like honestly, the RTX 3080 Ti 12GB really ought to be armed with more VRAM. The RTX 3080 10GB is beginning to show its weakness, NOT its sheer processing prowess, but the kneecapping of its potential performance through a shortfall of VRAM buffer. All part of nVidia's early obsolescence masterplan....

[OnionRings]

11 minutes ago, GamerDude said:

What nVidia had done with with the RTX 3060 Ti/3070/3070 Ti, by limiting their longevity or usefulness for higher res with just 8GB VRAM, they are also doing with the RTX 4070 Ti 12GB. There're a game or two where it's been shown that 12GB is barely enough, even for 1080P or 1440P (I don't remember which). Yes, the VRAM issue can be resolved by reducing or disabling high res texture, but my question is, "why should they?" when the cards are powerful enough to run everything maxed out IF it weren't for VRAM deficit. 

 

The RTX 4070 Ti is a powerful card, same goes with the upcoming RTX 4070, yet nVidia chose to allot just 12GB (their RTX 3060 12GB has that amount of VRAM, same as AMD's previous gen RX 6700XT/6750XT) though the RTX 4070 Ti is much more powerful and deserves more VRAM buffer. I suspect AMD answer to these cards would be the RX 7800 XT, and I'm almost certain it'd have 16GB of VRAM.

 

Edit - Due to a more sizeable VRAM buffer, the RX 6700 XT/6750 XT/6800/6800 XT/6900 XT would age more gracefully than their competing nVidia counterparts, like honestly, the RTX 3080 Ti 12GB really ought to be armed with more VRAM. The RTX 3080 10GB is beginning to show its weakness, NOT its sheer processing prowess, but the kneecapping of its potential performance through a shortfall of VRAM buffer. All part of nVidia's early obsolescence masterplan....

What a beautifully sadistic fucked up plan.

[ApolloX75]

I haven't bounced off the 10GB limit of my 3080 yet, but I'm sure it's coming. Felt like a step backwards when I side-graded from my 2080 Ti which was 11GB.

 

I might go AMD next time at this rate. It's been almost a decade since I've run a Radeon, might be time to try it again.

[OnionRings]

4 minutes ago, ApolloX75 said:

I haven't bounced off the 10GB limit of my 3080 yet, but I'm sure it's coming. Felt like a step backwards when I side-graded from my 2080 Ti which was 11GB.

 

I might go AMD next time at this rate. It's been almost a decade since I've run a Radeon, might be time to try it again.

I feel that, haven't done AMD since my 480, I had issues with it which made me dislike AMD, swore id never buy them again, but maybe its time to get over that fan boyism and go with the winners.

[dizmo]

Wait and see what the 4060Ti brings.

 

While what @GamerDude says is true, that's always been true...some games are just horribly optimized.

[OnionRings]

5 hours ago, dizmo said:

Wait and see what the 4060Ti brings.

 

While what @GamerDude says is true, that's always been true...some games are just horribly optimized.

Yea this is fair for sure, like RE4 just crashes with ray tracing if you go over the limit, and if you turn it off it wont crash but the textures have issues loading, like HU explains in this video 

I listed my card for sale on marketplace and im gonna wait and see if I get bites, gonna try to not panic sell at a super low price.

[LOST TALE]

I'm in the market for a new card. How much do you want to sell it for?

[OnionRings]

2 hours ago, LOST TALE said:

I'm in the market for a new card. How much do you want to sell it for?

My local prices are between 450 and 600 so im aiming for 5 since its practically brand new. She still got training wheels on

 

Such a shame what nvidia did here cus the card has raw power, my games run good when they dont run out of vram lol

[LOST TALE]

On 4/10/2023 at 5:14 PM, OnionRings said:

My local prices are between 450 and 600 so im aiming for 5 since its practically brand new. She still got training wheels on

 

Such a shame what nvidia did here cus the card has raw power, my games run good when they dont run out of vram lol

Thanks for the offer but I'd rather get a measly 3060 with 12G for 350$CAD

[Loki0111]

The short answer to this is in 2023 other then entry level cards you should not be buying new GPU's with less then 12GB of VRAM.

 

Both consoles this generation have 16GB of shared memory with approximately 12GB of it available for VRAM. The consoles are where the bulk of the money is for game developers so they are going to target that hardware. If you are running a GPU with under 12GB, especially one with 8GB you are going to have a rough time in 2023/2024 for a lot of AAA gaming.

 

There have been a few Youtube pieces done on this from Hardware Unboxed and others as well as interviews with game developers on the topic. If you want dialed top end graphics 8GB VRAM buffers are basically a hard no now.

[OnionRings]

18 hours ago, LOST TALE said:

Thanks for the offer but I'd rather get a measly 3060 with 12G for 350$CAD

I don't blame you, the 8GB is gonna start scaring people off.

 

14 hours ago, Loki0111 said:

The short answer to this is in 2023 other then entry level cards you should not be buying new GPU's with less then 12GB of VRAM.

 

Both consoles this generation have 16GB of shared memory with approximately 12GB of it available for VRAM. The consoles are where the bulk of the money is for game developers so they are going to target that hardware. If you are running a GPU with under 12GB, especially one with 8GB you are going to have a rough time in 2023/2024 for a lot of AAA gaming.

 

There have been a few Youtube pieces done on this from Hardware Unboxed and others as well as interviews with game developers on the topic. If you want dialed top end graphics 8GB VRAM buffers are basically a hard no now.

Yea pretty much already surmised that, the post was more asking should I attempt to sell and get a new card or suffer. I inevitably went for option 1, but I haven't sold it yet.