Why are people still defending/liking Apple?...

[Arika]

On 2/28/2023 at 1:53 AM, ToboRobot said:

Have any of the critics read this? https://help.apple.com/pdf/security/en_US/apple-platform-security-guide.pdf

have YOU read the entire 219 page document?

what kind of stupid argument is that

[WhitetailAni]

I like their products.

 

Do I like everything about them? No. But I like them more than other companies' products.

 

They also have THE best mobile phones currently. The A13 and up stomp all over Qualcomm's best offering, and the A13 is from 2019, not to mention battery life is great. RAM usage is also much better optimized on macOS - 8GB is fine with Ventura, but not so much with Windows 10/11.

 

Find My iPhone is very easy to use - you can locate any device running iOS 5 or newer (that's right, iOS 5, from 2011), and locate from any device on iOS 9 or newer (due to security requirements, you used to be able to find from iPhone OS OS 3 or newer.)

 

Everything works very well together. I have quite a lot of Apple products, partly collected from relatives, partly bought by me. My Apple Watch works great with my phone - I can make calls, send/receive texts, play music, use Discord, use Reddit, use a web browser (last three require third-party apps, but those apps are quite good - MiniCord, Artemis, and WatchBrowser, in order), and more. I can cast stuff from my phone to my Apple TV, or just play my iTunes library directly from it. I can sync photos from my phone to Apple TV. I can open a tab in Safari on my phone, then open that in Safari on my MacBook. I can use iMessage on any device signed into my iCloud, also iOS 5 and up. I can AirDrop files from one device to another - extra handy when you're jailbroken.

 

tl;dr: "It just works" is real.

[Vishera]

On 2/27/2023 at 1:09 PM, ToboRobot said:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xserve

Discontinued	January 6, 2004

[Godlygamer23]

On 2/27/2023 at 12:28 PM, Rolling2405 said:

I am genuinely curious in what ways are iPhone inferior to phones from other companies? As far as I am aware, iPhone has the best performance and maybe battery life of any phone out there. Other phones can't even keep up with the performance of last gen iPhones let alone current gen.

I use an iPhone XR on the daily(only phone I use), and a few years ago, I purchased a used iPhone 7 because I was getting tired of my HTC One M8, and hadn't had an iPhone in a while, and I knew that iOS had changed significantly. I have no desire to go back to Android. I don't have to deal with the BS regarding bloat on many Android devices, and many of the default apps are actually removable now, which wasn't the case in the past, and the Files app is pretty great(for the most part). I wouldn't buy an iPhone brand new, because they're too expensive, and I refuse to pay that much for a phone, but if I stay a few generations back, I still get great performance, and get most of the features newer iPhones have. 

[ToboRobot]

1 hour ago, Arika S said:

have YOU read the entire 219 page document?

what kind of stupid argument is that

Most of it, as I worked on behalf of a specific company that I can't mention due to an NDA. 

 

There is a table of contents that makes it easy to read the relevant material.

But people don't need to read it all, as it was to point out that the security policy is actually a thought out process not just random anti-consumer rules.
 

[ToboRobot]

39 minutes ago, Vishera said:

Discontinued	January 6, 2004

Discontinued = no longer sold.

I have been in data centres post 2004 with them in production, although now Mac Minis and MBPs (workstation) are in data centres in greater numbers these days.

[Arika]

1 minute ago, ToboRobot said:

Most of it, as I worked on behalf of a specific company that I can't mention due to an NDA. 

 

so you read it because of your job

 

1 minute ago, ToboRobot said:

There is a table of contents that makes it easy to read the relevant material.

If you're going to link a massive document as supporting evidence of your argument, it is common practice to state which part if the primary part that relates to what you're saying not just "people should read this 200 page document"

 

 

2 minutes ago, ToboRobot said:

But people don't need to read it all, as it was to point out that the security policy is actually a thought out process not just random anti-consumer rules.

just because they have a security policy, doesn't mean they can't make stupid decisions.

[Rolling2405]

3 hours ago, Godlygamer23 said:

I wouldn't buy an iPhone brand new, because they're too expensive, and I refuse to pay that much for a phone, but if I stay a few generations back, I still get great performance, and get most of the features newer iPhones have. 

I look at it the opposite way. I always buy the latest highest end model at the time that I buy a new iPhone that way I know the phone will have really good performance and battery and be able to handle the updates. And I know the phone will last 3-5 years before I need to upgrade.

[wasab]

1 hour ago, Rolling2405 said:

I look at it the opposite way. I always buy the latest highest end model at the time that I buy a new iPhone that way I know the phone will have really good performance and battery and be able to handle the updates. And I know the phone will last 3-5 years before I need to upgrade.

except phones battery life span is typically 3 years at most before you see a huge dip in capacity. buying a top flagship for software/performance longevity makes no sense when other components will wear off faster than its softwares or proccessor performance. my previous phones gyroscope/accelerometer died long before its software updates ended for example. i had to manually lock it into landscape or portrait mode because it could no longer auto rotate. 

[Mortis Angelus]

17 hours ago, FakeKGB said:

I like their products.

 

Do I like everything about them? No. But I like them more than other companies' products.

 

They also have THE best mobile phones currently. The A13 and up stomp all over Qualcomm's best offering, and the A13 is from 2019, not to mention battery life is great. RAM usage is also much better optimized on macOS - 8GB is fine with Ventura, but not so much with Windows 10/11.

 

Find My iPhone is very easy to use - you can locate any device running iOS 5 or newer (that's right, iOS 5, from 2011), and locate from any device on iOS 9 or newer (due to security requirements, you used to be able to find from iPhone OS OS 3 or newer.)

 

Everything works very well together. I have quite a lot of Apple products, partly collected from relatives, partly bought by me. My Apple Watch works great with my phone - I can make calls, send/receive texts, play music, use Discord, use Reddit, use a web browser (last three require third-party apps, but those apps are quite good - MiniCord, Artemis, and WatchBrowser, in order), and more. I can cast stuff from my phone to my Apple TV, or just play my iTunes library directly from it. I can sync photos from my phone to Apple TV. I can open a tab in Safari on my phone, then open that in Safari on my MacBook. I can use iMessage on any device signed into my iCloud, also iOS 5 and up. I can AirDrop files from one device to another - extra handy when you're jailbroken.

 

tl;dr: "It just works" is real.

I want to chip in here, that despite me really disliking Apple - which is mostly for how they treat their customers, design their software and lock-you-in ecosystem - I really like their hardware. 

 

When it comes to pure hardware quality and finish, Apple are hard to beat. The annoying thing with apple devices is that any lacking features or compromises in then are intentionally left out to create a need for an extra gadget or dongle, which they then charge ridiculous amounts of money for.

 

Latest macbook pro and it's onboard ssd is good example. There was no need to downgrade it from a space concern. It's just a way to sneakily increase their profit margin by adding a slightly cheaper ssd.

 

And the same was true about the usb-c only designs. Now all of the sudden they can have sd card readers and hdmi ports.

 

Other brands are far from perfect too, but usually are not as expensive and usually are easier to adjust and modify to your own liking. But eg Dell was (and to some extent still is) just copying whatever apple is doing, instead of trying to improve on what apple messes up.

 

Perfect laptop for me would be an M2 device with the adjustability of linux and compatibility of windows and the hardware-software optimization of OSX

[mr moose]

21 hours ago, ToboRobot said:

I already posted the paper on Apples security policy, have you read that?

If you don't use a computer system the way it was designed to be used, it may not work well and that can be resolved by the user operating the system as intended.

Just because people don't understand why does not mean it is a bad system. 

To avoid double posting, just because MS and Android do things differently doesn't mean that is the only or best way to do things.  (Read the paper)

I actually have a pretty good grasp of work and responsibility, I'm not a child and I have worked for large telcos and computer companies and small companies and government. 

It's funny that it's a mobile device and the user doesn't have it with them to preform the functions required, and it's not the fault of the user for leaving it at work, it's not the responsibility of the user to go to work and get it, but it's Apple who is to blame. 

As has been pointed out, having a security policy does not make parts of it arbitrary in the context of security.  That policy can say you must stand on your head whilst resetting your password, but that doesn't make it a legitimate and reasonable requirement for every end user.

 

If you had a good grasp of how varied work/personal life can get you would understand that this is not a case where they can just ignore a security risk and pretend it's the companies fault/problem.

 

Yes, apple have the requirement that you need an apple device to resolve this particular issue.  if you only have one apple device and it's not within your ability to access for 2 days when you have been alerted to a security issue with your account, then by this very requirement they have implemented (which isn't necessary from a security perspective) then absolutely that is apples fault.

 

I have an  apple account with $70 credit on it, I do not own an apple device as we speak, the last one broke and they wanted too much to repair it,  if my account for any reason is breached then I have absolutely no way to fix it. Any other company will let me log in from any browser, use the 2fa or other authentication process which would then permit me to reset passwords. 

 

You, like half these other apple fan boys just don't know when you have been suckered into their marketing BS.

 

 

 

[8tg]

Because I used my iPhone 4S for a decade. And I intend to use my 12 mini for a similar span of time.

it just works

 

[WhitetailAni]

9 hours ago, Mortis Angelus said:

I want to chip in here, that despite my really disliking Apple -which is mostly for how they treat their customers, design their software and lock-you-in ecosystem, I really like they're hardware. 

 

When it comes to pure hardware quality and finish, Apple are hard to beat. The annoying thing with apple devices is that any lacking features or compromises in then are intentionally left out to create a need for an extra gadget or dongle, which they then charge ridiculous amounts of money for.

That's why I usually stick with slightly older hardware - my newest Apple device is my Series 5, I have an MBP 2012 and an iPhone 7 otherwise. Easier to repair and there's generally more info on its quirks then.

Not to say I wouldn't mind an Apple Silicon MacBook!