90c on 5800x3D under heavy workload.

[Brilew]

Hey, I just bought myself a 5800x3D, to pair up with my Corsair Hydro Series H100i water cooler.

After doing Cinebench R23 multicore, it went blazingly fast, however at concerning temps on Ryzen Master, mantaining costant 90c.

 

 

I wanted to know if this is normal, or if I need to check my settings.

It was running at 75-80c on Overwatch 2 as well, which I find to be pretty hot as well.

On idle, just with chrome open etc, I've been getting from 35-45c

 

Could someone enlighten me on these temps? Should I be worried, or is this expectred?

 

 

[johnt]

What was your cinebench score? 90 degrees is expected, but maybe not on an AIO with a 10 minute test. You could try cleaning the thermal paste and applying a larger quantity. This can help at times especially if it's manufacturer's thin paste on the cpu block.

[Zando_]

Boosting at 90-95C (depending on core count) is intended behavior for Ryzen 5000 series as per AMD themselves: https://www.pcgamer.com/amd-views-ryzen-5000-cpu-temperatures-up-to-95c-as-typical-and-by-design/. 

[Hairless Monkey Boy]

90C under heavy load is normal for this chip. That's the thermal throttle limit. The chip is designed to boost as high as possible within thermal and other constraints.

 

75-80 while gaming is a tad high maybe, but not concerning. My 5800X3D in an SFX build hits 70°C ± 10°C while gaming so around the same as yours, but you have that water cooler.

 

What case do you use? Is your AIO setup as intake or exhaust?

 

Also, check this out:

https://github.com/PrimeO7/How-to-undervolt-AMD-RYZEN-5800X3D-Guide-with-PBO2-Tuner/blob/main/README.md

[Brilew]

1 minute ago, Hairless Monkey Boy said:

90C under heavy load is normal for this chip. That's the thermal throttle limit. The chip is designed to boost as high as possible within thermal and other constraints.

 

75-80 while gaming is a tad high maybe, but not concerning. My 5800X3D in an SFX build hits 70°C ± 10°C while gaming so around the same as yours, but you have that water cooler.

 

What case do you use? Is your AIO setup as intake or exhaust?

 

Also, check this out:

https://github.com/PrimeO7/How-to-undervolt-AMD-RYZEN-5800X3D-Guide-with-PBO2-Tuner/blob/main/README.md

I have the 2016-17 H440 from NZXT. The radiator sits screwed to the top of the case, and the fans blow into it.

[Brilew]

3 minutes ago, Zando_ said:

Boosting at 90-95C (depending on core count) is intended behavior for Ryzen 5000 series as per AMD themselves: https://www.pcgamer.com/amd-views-ryzen-5000-cpu-temperatures-up-to-95c-as-typical-and-by-design/. 

I see, my AIO cooler should be able to allow for better perfomance  at the same temps then right?

[Brilew]

5 minutes ago, johnt said:

What was your cinebench score? 90 degrees is expected, but maybe not on an AIO with a 10 minute test. You could try cleaning the thermal paste and applying a larger quantity. This can help at times especially if it's manufacturer's thin paste on the cpu block.

Will do so, thanks for the input. Haven’t finished cinebench because I was kind of scared of the high temps. Ill update the thread once I managed to get the cinebench scores.

[Zando_]

1 minute ago, Brilew said:

I see, my AIO cooler should be able to allow for better perfomance  at the same temps then right?

If the chip boosts beyond stock limits with additional thermal headroom. From my understanding the 5800X3D is a lot more locked down due to how the cache setup works. 

[Hairless Monkey Boy]

4 minutes ago, Brilew said:

I have the 2016-17 H440 from NZXT. The radiator sits screwed to the top of the case, and the fans blow into it.

Then this is the reason for your slightly higher temps; A poor airflow case, and the use of pre-warmed air for cooling the CPU. A case upgrade, and mounting your radiator as intake would improve yours temps and therefore your performance. But you seem to be doing okay now, so don't worry about that too much.

[Brilew]

3 minutes ago, Hairless Monkey Boy said:

Then this is the reason for your slightly higher temps; A poor airflow case, and the use of pre-warmed air for cooling the CPU. A case upgrade, and mounting your radiator as intake would improve yours temps and therefore your performance. But you seem to be doing okay now, so don't worry about that too much.

Mounting it as intake would mean I mount the fans to the top of the case, radiator below, and make it blow into the radiator?

[Hairless Monkey Boy]

2 minutes ago, Brilew said:

Mounting it as intake would mean I mount the fans to the top of the case, radiator below, and make it blow into the radiator?

You don't have to mount the fans on top of the case, you could just spin them around where they are so they "pull" through the radiator rather than "push" through it as they do now.

 

Doing that would probably drop CPU temps and/or boost CPU performance by a noticeable amount. But your GPU temps and/or performance may suffer. So your current configuration in your current case is likely the best overall option, but feel free to experiment.

[Brilew]

2 hours ago, Hairless Monkey Boy said:

You don't have to mount the fans on top of the case, you could just spin them around where they are so they "pull" through the radiator rather than "push" through it as they do now.

 

Doing that would probably drop CPU temps and/or boost CPU performance by a noticeable amount. But your GPU temps and/or performance may suffer. So your current configuration in your current case is likely the best overall option, but feel free to experiment.

Turns out I already had the fans in the correct orientation. Anyhow I repasted the CPU and reseated the cooler, and after a Cinebench R23, I got 13300 pts on the multi core maintaining 90c and 1423 pts mantaining 70c on the single core benchmark. How would you say my scores are?

[Brilew]

1 minute ago, Brilew said:

Turns out I already had the fans in the correct orientation. Anyhow I repasted the CPU and reseated the cooler, and after a Cinebench R23, I got 13300 pts on the multi core maintaining 90c and 1423 pts mantaining 70c on the single core benchmark. How would you say my scores are?

After the repaste, have been getting from 40-50c as idling temps. Is it too high?

[freeagent]

Here is mine after 30 mins of R23.

 

 

 

[Brilew]

5 minutes ago, freeagent said:

Here is mine after 30 mins of R23.

 

 

 

Holy cow! Do you have any undervolting or custom OC applied, not really familiar with the stock % on the chip? Whats your cooler as well? see you’re getting 25c as idle temp

[Brilew]

Nevermind on the cooler, didn’t see it was listed on your profile

[Brilew]

10 minutes ago, freeagent said:

Here is mine after 30 mins of R23.

 

 

 

Nonetheless, I must be doing very wrong on my setup for it to be idling at 40-50c

[freeagent]

31 minutes ago, Brilew said:

Nonetheless, I must be doing very wrong on my setup for it to be idling at 40-50c

I am running -30 CO and my fclk, other than that no tweaks

 

Cooler is Thermalright FC140, using its stock fans.

[Mark Kaine]

 

5 hours ago, Zando_ said:

Boosting at 90-95C (depending on core count) is intended behavior for Ryzen 5000 series as per AMD themselves: https://www.pcgamer.com/amd-views-ryzen-5000-cpu-temperatures-up-to-95c-as-typical-and-by-design/. 

oh really? steve from thanks, steve was selling this as a completely new, never heard of feature of the 7000 series  also im sorry,  that doesn't make sense the chip starts throttling at ~85C... (unlike 7000 series) 

 

well, im not saying you are wrong or not... but you quoted pcgamer... is there anything,  umm, more official,  like from say AMD directly regarding this subject? 

 

edit:

 

 

throttles at 85... and is incidentally exactly where it stops when i run cb... which seems is just how it's *designed* it also keeps clocks nicely at this point... there's no point in boosting above that and it doesn't  do it (at stock settings) 

 

btw this chip beat all the review scores i checked,  that never happened to me before,  usually review scores are miles ahead of what i actually get  

[Mark Kaine]

7 hours ago, Brilew said:

Hey, I just bought myself a 5800x3D, to pair up with my Corsair Hydro Series H100i water cooler.

After doing Cinebench R23 multicore, it went blazingly fast, however at concerning temps on Ryzen Master, mantaining costant 90c.

what is your cb multi score?

is it really not going over 4.2ghz max? 

Can you like,  make your pump run faster or is it at 100%?

 

 

7 hours ago, Brilew said:

wanted to know if this is normal, or if I need to check my settings.

no, it should stay around 85C max (it does on my noctua u12s)  

 

7 hours ago, Brilew said:

On idle, just with chrome open etc, I've been getting from 35-45c

yeah well, thats normal,  but that's also low load (but not idle at all) 

 

7 hours ago, Brilew said:

Could someone enlighten me on these temps? Should I be worried, or is this expectred?

 

nope, max junction temp is 90, not something you should be at often imo. starts throttling at ~85c according to hwinfo64... 

 

7 hours ago, Brilew said:

Corsair Hydro Series H100i

yeah, im not familiar with these aquarium thingies... what size is the radiator?

 

 

7 hours ago, Brilew said:

It was running at 75-80c on Overwatch 2 as well, which I find to be pretty hot as well.

yeah, me too, but that's under the thermal throttle limit, so objectively still ok.

 

 

you could try undervolting... some people have great success with that and it makes sense, ryzen love undervolting in general,  but you need a 3rd party app for that. 

 

i also recommend uninstalling RM, its quite useless and may actually slow things down by just being there/active.

 

 

@freeagent crash course for us newbies on how to undervolt (or whatever) 

the 3D please? What's the app called again and do you need any perquisites or can we just install the thing and set -30 (clock offset?) on all cores basically, more or less?  

no voltage offsets?

And is there an auto start option like in afterburner or something? 

Like, uh, what do we even need to dooo??? ʕ•ٹ•ʔ

 

... if the offset is too much it just crashes or what? 

 

 

 

4 hours ago, Brilew said:

got 13300 pts on the multi core maintaining 90c

yeah, thats too low... i get 14500 and 85c (on a very small air cooler mind you) i think there's definitely something wrong with your aquarium sorry, pc setup...

 

Do you have a lot of programs running in the background? 

 

 

4 hours ago, freeagent said:

Here is mine after 30 mins of R23.

 

4 hours ago, Brilew said:

see you’re getting 25c as idle temp

its not fair, he must be living at northpole with no heating!

 

 

 

[freeagent]

21 minutes ago, Mark Kaine said:

crash course for us newbies on how to undervolt (or whatever) 

the 3D please? What's the app called again and do you need any perquisites or can we just install the thing and set -30 (clock offset?) on all cores basically, more or less?  

no voltage offsets?

And is there an auto start option like in afterburner or something? 

Like, uh, what do we even need to dooo??? ʕ•ٹ•ʔ

 

... if the offset is too much it just crashes or what? 

Grab CPU Doc from this thread:

 

https://www.overclock.net/threads/cpudoc-little-cpu-helper-tool-with-some-exclusive-features.1802081/

 

I just set -30 on all cores and it was good. There should be a fresh update for you board that has CO functionality so you don’t even need that tool, but if you do it’s there. I don’t use vcore offsets..

[Mark Kaine]

1 hour ago, freeagent said:

Grab CPU Doc from this thread:

 

https://www.overclock.net/threads/cpudoc-little-cpu-helper-tool-with-some-exclusive-features.1802081/

 

I just set -30 on all cores and it was good. There should be a fresh update for you board that has CO functionality so you don’t even need that tool, but if you do it’s there. I don’t use vcore offsets..

oh... oh cool... i read something that it would come to some boards... so a BIOS update?

 

and thanks I'll look into that anyways cause im curious, but i think I'll probably prefer doing it in BIOS if possible,  not RM tho

 

 

edit: well now i remembered i need this debug.cli thing, right? or just what you linked?

https://github.com/PrimeO7/How-to-undervolt-AMD-RYZEN-5800X3D-Guide-with-PBO2-Tuner/blob/main/README.md

@freeagent

 

but it looks like my mobo already has some stuff like PBO, NUMA... no idea what it all means, but i think with PBO i should be able to undervolt it (just by how much is the question lol, my 3600 did -250mv iirc)

 

 

also the have this cheat code enabler:  ???

 

 

 

why no R23 though,  wth msi...?

[Mark Kaine]

@BrilewOk... the solution is as simple as i thought... use PBO2 (curve optimizer)

set it -30 on all cores, maybe you need to do -20 or -15 , but -30 max, not more!) click apply and... it took 6C off of my 5800x3d... (79c now in cb23) so it should be similar for you. 

Hope it works and case closed. : D