ada lovelace NVIDIA Project Beyond GTC Keynote with CEO Jensen Huang: RTX 4090 + RTX 4080 Revealed

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1 hour ago, Rym said:

Not very bright I see.

 

His point was that MSRP for EU is 2000€ while you kept talking about the US.

 

EU has import taxes, and the MSRP ends up at 1999€.

US pricing doesn't include taxes as far as I'm aware, in which case you can't compare the €1959 EU MSRP directly to the US $1600 "MSRP". Remove the 21% VAT and that €1959 ends up being a similar €1619. The MSRPs are the same in that case and is mostly just a point of different tax rates. It doesn't change that MSRP is not feasible for board partners and thus pretty much only ends up being found on Nvidia's own cards. I think it was Jay's video, or maybe one of LTT's, where it was mentioned that EVGA was selling cards at a loss even at already higher-than-MSRP prices. It sucks for everyone except Nvidia, but it is not surprising at all that hardly any third party card is sold at Nvidia's MSRP.

[IkeaGnome]

2 hours ago, Rym said:

Not very bright I see.

 

His point was that MSRP for EU is 2000€ while you kept talking about the US.

 

EU has import taxes, and the MSRP ends up at 1999€.

He posted 2 pictures and “ha ha” that’s why I asked his point. 
You did a lot of reading between the lines to figure that out. 

[Shzzit]

You guys remember when newegg charged NO tax  in the US lol?  Was pretty awesome.  Or am i remembering wrong? 

[starsmine]

7 hours ago, leadeater said:

Nope, people just brought them for gaming anyway because the were the most expensive mistakenly believing they were the best or fastest, because they were expensive and had a lot more VRAM.

 

The Titan V wasn't even the gaming architecture, it was the compute/Tesla architecture and was legitimately awful at gaming.

 

What happened was it became very apparent to Nvidia that a consumer branded card like the Titan could never serve the purpose of it's existence because nobody was buying it for that. So they just dropped the Titan name, kept the tier of card and stopped trying to make it suitable for other purposes anymore. Since it was getting so expensive re: Titan V applicable buyers may as well just buy a Tesla or Quadro (Workstation) card anyway therefore eliminating the problem with the Titan naming.

 

The fact that you thought and considered the Titan's as gaming cards illustrates the problem heh.

 

• GTX Titan, released in 2013 - Workstation/Tesla
• GTX Titan Black, released in February 2014 - Workstation/Tesla
• GTX Titan Z, released in March 2014 - Workstation/Tesla
• GTX Titan X, released in 2015
• Titan X (2016), released in 2016
• Titan Xp, released in April 2017
• Titan V, released in December 2017 - Workstation/Tesla
• Titan RTX, released in 2018

I mean, I didnt think of titan as that at first with the Keplers varients, but then nvidia turned it into a gaming line and nerfed the workstation features (FP64) with all consumer architectures after that (Maxwell. Pascal, Turing).  

Also, what a shit show Titan X was with naming.

Titan V was just a weird chip as its the only consumer facing volta chip in existence. Sure they could make a Titan Hopper, but if no one bought the Titan V, then idk why they would continue with that branding of titan.

[Sir Beregond]

16 hours ago, leadeater said:

If it supposed Studio Drivers, it's a Titan. It supports Studio Drivers so...

 

These are just names, I have kicked Nvidia plenty in the past for their Titan BS but a high end GPU with this much VRAM that supports Studio Drivers is literally the same thing as a by gone era "Titan".

 

What does a 4090 not have that a "Ttian" would?

 

What I would like to see and what I would call a Titan has only existed twice, Titan Kepler and Titan Volta, problem is there have been more Titans not like these so... 

Hmm maybe I missed this part of the keynote. I stopped watching after the GeForce announcement which included the 4090.

 

I was coming from how Nvidia tried to paint the 3090 as "Titan class" when the 30-series launched. In reality it was a 2080 Ti replacement. Sure, 24GB of VRAM does overlap with Titan use cases, I won't dispute that. But it is clearly a ridiculously expensive gaming flagship, and so was the 3090 Ti after it. Why? No Titan drivers which have select Quadro optimizations via their drivers that GeForce simply does not, while GeForce also has the FP16 tensor ops with FP32 accumulate running at half rate that the Titans do not. I think that made it clear to me what the 3090 and 3090 Ti actually were, but a lot bought the marketing of "Titan-ish".

 

I presume the 4090 would have the same limitations the 3090 and 3090 Ti have in that regard.

 

So no, they aren't actual Titans. 

 

EDIT: Also it was pretty telling that during the gaming/GeForce part of the keynote/announcement, Jensen did away with the pretense of the 4080 being the "flagship" like he did with the 3080 two years ago. It was here are all the new gaming features and performance and introducing the 4090...oh by the way we have some 4080's. 

 

 

[ewitte]

6 hours ago, Shzzit said:

You guys remember when newegg charged NO tax  in the US lol?  Was pretty awesome.  Or am i remembering wrong? 

Most online sites didn't include tax.  Now they are even milking you for used goods (Ebay).

[leadeater]

7 hours ago, Sir Beregond said:

I was coming from how Nvidia tried to paint the 3090 as "Titan class" when the 30-series launched. In reality it was a 2080 Ti replacement. Sure, 24GB of VRAM does overlap with Titan use cases, I won't dispute that. But it is clearly a ridiculously expensive gaming flagship, and so was the 3090 Ti after it. Why? No Titan drivers which have select Quadro optimizations via their drivers that GeForce simply does not

RTX 3090 and RTX 3090 Ti both support Studio Drivers too.

 

Fun fact, almost everything does

 

7 hours ago, Sir Beregond said:

while GeForce also has the FP16 tensor ops with FP32 accumulate running at half rate that the Titans do not. I think that made it clear to me what the 3090 and 3090 Ti actually were, but a lot bought the marketing of "Titan-ish".

Eh, what are you talking about? The Titans would only not support this as this simply did not exist in the hardware and the architecture at the time. The last Titan was the Titan RTX and it supports everything the Turing (consumer/workstation, not Tesla GV100/GA100) architecture supports.

 

Simple fact is x100 dies are a different architecture entirely and not even the Quadro's use these dies either.

[igormp]

7 minutes ago, leadeater said:

not Tesla TU100

TU100 wasn't a thing, the equivalent for that generation was the V100 (which had the Titan V). Turing is basically Volta + RTX.

[leadeater]

9 hours ago, starsmine said:

Titan V was just a weird chip as its the only consumer facing volta chip in existence. Sure they could make a Titan Hopper, but if no one bought the Titan V, then idk why they would continue with that branding of titan.

There isn't much point, they would sell it as an Hxxxx (H6000 or something) workstation card now instead. But they won't do than in reality either since they basically sell every x100 based product they make so no availability to go making another product with it and not be able to supply it. I mean really the only difference is a low fin density fanless cooler vs high density with fan cooler between Tesla and Workstation and you can buy water cooled workstations with the Tesla GPUs in them making the difference basically moot anyway.

[leadeater]

3 minutes ago, igormp said:

TU100 wasn't a thing, the equivalent for that generation was the V100 (which had the Titan V). Turing is basically Volta + RTX.

haha yea true, I forgot Volta and Ampere were it. Well I did know, that just slipped my mind when typing that reply 

[IPD]

4 slot GPU's.  Can I just get a PCIE extension cable and a cryonic vault to put it in?  Or maybe we NVidia can partner with Rheem and I'll save on costs by playing whatever the latest/greatest 4k ultra game is--when the missus is showering--thus powering the newer, more efficient "tankless" water heater.

[leadeater]

5 minutes ago, IPD said:

4 slot GPU's.  Can I just get a PCIE extension cable and a cryonic vault to put it in?  Or maybe we NVidia can partner with Rheem and I'll save on costs by playing whatever the latest/greatest 4k ultra game is--when the missus is showering--thus powering the newer, more efficient "tankless" water heater.

Anyone done the math on the number of RTX 4090's required for instant hot water system instead of CNG?

[porina]

3 hours ago, leadeater said:

Anyone done the math on the number of RTX 4090's required for instant hot water system instead of CNG?

Very quick search reveals electric showers start around 7.5kW. At 450W/GPU, that's 17 GPUs you'd need.

[IPD]

5 hours ago, porina said:

Very quick search reveals electric showers start around 7.5kW. At 450W/GPU, that's 17 GPUs you'd need.

Easy for crypto miners.

[ewitte]

41 minutes ago, IPD said:

Easy for crypto miners.

Considering the profitability is now negative without Solar would they really want to rub it in with 17 $1600 cards?

[Shzzit]

11 minutes ago, ewitte said:

Considering the profitability is now negative without Solar would they really want to rub it in with 17 $1600 cards?

Lol how many Solar panels and lithium battery's would you need to run say 4-5000 watt miner lol?

[Shzzit]

So the 4090 is pcie 4.0.  So really you can just let it share your x16 pcie 5.0 lanes with an M.2 and be just fine?  8x 8x? 

Or just do x16 5.0 on gpu, and use x4 4.0 for m.2.  Either way i dont think theres a difference /shrug

 

Or could you set main x16 slot in bios to 4.0, would that then leave all ur pcie 5.0 lanes free for m.2 drives? Or does 5.0 just get disabled lol?   These motherboards and there freaking pcie lanes and m.2 descriptions are DRIVING me nuts. 

 

That is when an 5.0 drive comes out.

[ewitte]

12 hours ago, Shzzit said:

Lol how many Solar panels and lithium battery's would you need to run say 4-5000 watt miner lol?

 

I have about 7.45KW off about 32 panels (no battery).  It is actually not enough in the summer but its net positive over the entirety of the year.  I had about a negative 800 balance back when I mined when it was at the peak.

[Sir Beregond]

23 hours ago, leadeater said:

RTX 3090 and RTX 3090 Ti both support Studio Drivers too.

 

Fun fact, almost everything does

 

Eh, what are you talking about? The Titans would only not support this as this simply did not exist in the hardware and the architecture at the time. The last Titan was the Titan RTX and it supports everything the Turing (consumer/workstation, not Tesla GV100/GA100) architecture supports.

 

Simple fact is x100 dies are a different architecture entirely and not even the Quadro's use these dies either.

I think you and I are missing something in what each of us is trying to explain.

[Shzzit]

18 minutes ago, ewitte said:

 

I have about 7.45KW off about 32 panels (no battery).  It is actually not enough in the summer but its net positive over the entirety of the year.  I had about a negative 800 balance back when I mined when it was at the peak.

Nice mate.  So you don’t need batteries?  Never had solar.

[leadeater]

33 minutes ago, Sir Beregond said:

I think you and I are missing something in what each of us is trying to explain.

Maybe, but I don't know. RTX 3090 and RTX 4090 are just as much Titans as the Titan RTX, Titan X and Titan Xp were.... the only difference in architectures and capabilities is literally just the name "Titan" and last I checked the word Titan doesn't actually change the product itself

 

Titan is simply a dead name as it stands, Nvidia just doesn't want to use it. Whatever their reasoning is doesn't change that the equivalent product does actually exist.

 

Hell Nvidia killed off the Quadro name so unless you want to also argue those products also do not exist anymore then the Titan still exists just as much as Quadro's do, just not in name.

 

Currently as it stands today right now Nvidia sells exactly zero Quadro graphics cards.

[leadeater]

13 hours ago, ewitte said:

Considering the profitability is now negative without Solar would they really want to rub it in with 17 $1600 cards?

Well you'd have to have a water flow meter and a control signal to turn on the GPUs to mine. It's only for instant hot water like for Gas/CNG so you only demand energy when there is water flow.

[Dracarris]

9 hours ago, ewitte said:

I had about a negative 800 balance back when I mined when it was at the peak.

That's 1.5x of what we pay (90m2 2-person household) all-in for a full year including all high-power appliances, several laptops, a gaming PC and 3 4K screens.

[Dr_Whom]

On 10/1/2022 at 6:33 AM, leadeater said:

Nope, people just brought them for gaming anyway because the were the most expensive mistakenly believing they were the best or fastest, because they were expensive and had a lot more VRAM.

 

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Just want to point out that nVidia in fact marketed them as gaming cards. From nVidia's own website and description of the card:

 

 

Source

[ewitte]

2 hours ago, Dracarris said:

That's 1.5x of what we pay (90m2 2-person household) all-in for a full year including all high-power appliances, several laptops, a gaming PC and 3 4K screens.

There are some benefits to small places that aren't hot.  So many here have 2000,3000,4000+ square feet houses here and we had many days over 100F last summer.  AC is most of the electric bill.  I hear a bunch of people complaining about $500+ for just one month. Before solar I did have a few months hit $300 but the prices were lower.  Highest this summer was $80.