ada lovelace NVIDIA Project Beyond GTC Keynote with CEO Jensen Huang: RTX 4090 + RTX 4080 Revealed

[ewitte]

4 hours ago, Shzzit said:

HOW the hell is a strix 400 dollars OVER msrp?  You can get tha AIO one for way less lol.

 

What makes it worth 2000?  What a 20mhz OC bios?  /facepalm.

 

Thats the one i wanted too.

 

 

Guess my best bet for EK waterblock is just getting an FE right?  FE have x2 bios?

Yeah, I don't think so but the Tuf and Trio are 1599.  I'd like the FE but if it is BB only I may not I get better deals at MC.

[ewitte]

On 9/28/2022 at 12:36 PM, Kisai said:

Yep. The danger signs should have been flagged when the combined power draw of two computers exceeds 1200w.

 

If people are going to have top-end computers, at least in North America, unless they dedicate the entire room for it, there's going to be problems. Apartment renters won't have the option to rewire the unit, and it will pretty much be the "rapid boiling kettle" problem again where the high end parts end up having to be imported from a country that has a higher power standard, and you have to make concessions to your own home to operate it.

 

At least with a typical house, ripping out wiring  and adding a circuit is an option. But most apartments and condos in North America are the cheapest, laziest, "luxury" shoebox designs that put style before function. Granite countertops and stainless steel appliances, yay, but where the hell do I plug in my computer that pulls as much power as tablesaw (they pull down the entire 15A circuit)? You gonna plug it into the bedroom, and blow the circuit every time you turn the lights on?

 

 

To be fair most people aren't going to have two high end machines running at top speed at the same time unless they have a job that needs a lot of rendering, etc.  I can pull about 600W on the main rig and 200W on the secondary but the most I've done concurrently is about 600W total.  I don't think it will change too much switching out one of them to a 4090.  Maybe 100W extra but maybe less with DLSS3 and being capped at 118fps.

[starsmine]

25 minutes ago, ewitte said:

To be fair most people aren't going to have two high end machines running at top speed at the same time unless they have a job that needs a lot of rendering, etc.  I can pull about 600W on the main rig and 200W on the secondary but the most I've done concurrently is about 600W total.  I don't think it will change too much switching out one of them to a 4090.  Maybe 100W extra but maybe less with DLSS3 and being capped at 118fps.

Imagine not having His and Hers

[ewitte]

4 minutes ago, starsmine said:

Imagine not having His and Hers

I'll play with my daugher from time to time but I'm pulling 350W (really easy games) and the other machine is about 150W.  Just sitting there working in word, excel photoshop, lightroom, etc its closer to 250-300w for both machines.

[TOMPPIX]

HA HA.

[IkeaGnome]

3 minutes ago, TOMPPIX said:

HA HA.

Is that a surprise? We now know AIBs have slim margins to losses on high end cards if they want to compete with Nvidia pricing, re: EVGA done with GPUs for now. It's been common for a long time for AIB cards to come in over Nvidia's MSRP. When Nvidia says $1600 that's for THEIR graphics cards. Not Asus, MSI or Gigabyte.

[TOMPPIX]

4 minutes ago, IkeaGnome said:

Is that a surprise? We now know AIBs have slim margins to losses on high end cards if they want to compete with Nvidia pricing, re: EVGA done with GPUs for now. It's been common for a long time for AIB cards to come in over Nvidia's MSRP. When Nvidia says $1600 that's for THEIR graphics cards. Not Asus, MSI or Gigabyte.

[IkeaGnome]

8 minutes ago, TOMPPIX said:

-snip large picture-

Point being?

[suicidalfranco]

1 hour ago, TOMPPIX said:

HA HA.

Queue in for "It'S tHe MiNeRs FaUlT"

[ewitte]

150 extra the water-cooled Suprim is tempting.

[ewitte]

1 hour ago, IkeaGnome said:

Is that a surprise? We now know AIBs have slim margins to losses on high end cards if they want to compete with Nvidia pricing, re: EVGA done with GPUs for now. It's been common for a long time for AIB cards to come in over Nvidia's MSRP. When Nvidia says $1600 that's for THEIR graphics cards. Not Asus, MSI or Gigabyte.

They actually have quite a few AIB models "listed" at MSRP.   Just that MSRP got jacked up.  They have greater margins on the two 4080 cards so there may be more. The 12GB card costs right under what the 3080 did in BOM and is $200 more!

[IkeaGnome]

12 minutes ago, ewitte said:

They actually have quite a few AIB models "listed" at MSRP.   Just that MSRP got jacked up. 

Let's remember those are the two "entry level" 4090 AIB cards.

13 minutes ago, ewitte said:

They have greater margins on the two 4080 cards so there may be more. The 12GB card costs right under what the 3080 did in BOM and is $200 more!

Sources?

[ewitte]

46 minutes ago, IkeaGnome said:

Let's remember those are the two "entry level" 4090 AIB cards.

Sources?

Likely reference but it is more than two they are all fine.  I'd consider the Suprim or Suprim Liquid tops but the Stix price is insane.

 

There is a video on YT someone not well regarded in these forums (MLID)

[LAwLz]

4 hours ago, TOMPPIX said:

<RTX 4090 at 1999 Euro in Finland>

The MSRP does not include VAT.

Finland has 25% VAT so you need to add that to the price.

 

 

MSRP = ~1600

1600*1.25 = 2000

 

Exactly what they said it would be, if we translate USD to euro like we usually do.

[ewitte]

1 hour ago, LAwLz said:

The MSRP does not include VAT.

Finland has 25% VAT so you need to add that to the price.

 

 

MSRP = ~1600

1600*1.25 = 2000

 

Exactly what they said it would be, if we translate USD to euro like we usually do.

MSRP is base price in the US too 1600 is closer to $1730 although I can get 5% off at MC.

[Sir Beregond]

14 hours ago, IPD said:

Oh look, it's a Titan 2.  Just like I said the pricing would be.

Except its not actually a Titan.

 

So that just makes it worse.

[leadeater]

On 10/1/2022 at 1:14 PM, Sir Beregond said:

Except its not actually a Titan.

 

So that just makes it worse.

If it supports Studio Drivers, it's a Titan. It supports Studio Drivers so...

 

These are just names, I have kicked Nvidia plenty in the past for their Titan BS but a high end GPU with this much VRAM that supports Studio Drivers is literally the same thing as a by gone era "Titan".

 

What does a 4090 not have that a "Ttian" would?

 

What I would like to see and what I would call a Titan has only existed twice, Titan Kepler and Titan Volta, problem is there have been more Titans not like these so... 

Edited October 2, 2022 by leadeater

[IPD]

I heard a rumor that the 60 series will carry a $7000 price tag, but that's largely due to cost of putting a micro-substation in your backyard to down-convert 500 kV to the "mere" 1 kV needed to power the damn things.

[porina]

4 hours ago, leadeater said:

What I would like to see and what I would call a Titan has only existed twice, Titan Kepler and Titan Volta, problem is there have been more Titans not like these so... 

High FP64 rate or is there something else? The only recent consumer facing GPU that was interesting in that area was Radeon VII and many snapped them up because of that. Even though AMD intentionally nerfed its performance, it was still far higher than made-for-gaming GPUs.

 

On that note, has there been any talk at all about what FP64 is like on Arc? I know they're gaming GPUs so I'd expect them to follow the footsteps AMD and nvidia's gaming GPUs in that FP64 is more a check list feature than any useful performance.

[starsmine]

My understanding is that they only want to release titans if its the undisputed best GPU.
The RX 6950 could hold its own against the 3090ti, so thats why it wasnt a titan.

Nvidia has the space to make a 4090ti and call it a titan if they think it can beat the RX 7900/7950 uncontested, but I dont think they can, so Titan may be a dead name for a while.

[leadeater]

1 hour ago, porina said:

High FP64 rate or is there something else?

Yea, not that it's widely needed but if you are going to have some unique semi-pro GPU with a lot more VRAM and a much higher cost then it would be nice to have that. Problem is basically none of the Quadro/Workstation GPUs have proper FP64 either.

 

But way I see it is that's part of the appeal, Titan being great option for non professional aka direct revenue applicability, so things like research. Running some calculations on your workstation is quite a different thing to say broadcasting a Europe football match etc.

 

1 hour ago, porina said:

The only recent consumer facing GPU that was interesting in that area was Radeon VII and many snapped them up because of that

Titan V is consumer also. Yea I know $700 vs $3000 MSRP lol. But they were consumer retail cards, just stupid.

 

1 hour ago, porina said:

On that note, has there been any talk at all about what FP64 is like on Arc? I know they're gaming GPUs so I'd expect them to follow the footsteps AMD and nvidia's gaming GPUs in that FP64 is more a check list feature than any useful performance.

 

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A moderator on the Intel forums confirmed that Intel's consumer-focused Arc Alchemist GPUs will not feature hardware-accelerated FP64 cores, relegating the GPUs to native FP32 and FP16 support. The only exception to this is emulated FP64 support on Arc Alchemist which will be supported for niche cases. However, due to the nature of emulation, FP64 calculations on Arc will run much slower than on GPUs with native hardware-accelerated FP64 cores.

Keep in mind that this configuration only applies to Intel's gaming-centric Arc Alchemist GPUs, not its upcoming Ponte Vecchio GPUs for the enterprise space

https://www.tomshardware.com/news/intel-arc-will-not-support-fp64-hardware

[leadeater]

1 hour ago, starsmine said:

My understanding is that they only want to release titans if its the undisputed best GPU.
The RX 6950 could hold its own against the 3090ti, so thats why it wasnt a titan.

Nvidia has the space to make a 4090ti and call it a titan if they think it can beat the RX 7900/7950 uncontested, but I dont think they can, so Titan may be a dead name for a while.

Nvidia Titan's aren't gaming GPUs, their first ever Titan was slower than the 780 Ti in games, gaming literally isn't the point or applicability for "Titan" GPUs.

[starsmine]

15 minutes ago, leadeater said:

Nvidia Titan's aren't gaming GPUs, their first ever Titan was slower than the 780 Ti in games, gaming literally isn't the point or applicability for "Titan" GPUs.

not at first no, but they pivoted off that branding after what, two titans?
Nvidia themselves never knew what it was supposed to be I swear.

[leadeater]

32 minutes ago, starsmine said:

not at first no, but they pivoted off that branding after what, two titans?
Nvidia themselves never knew what it was supposed to be I swear.

Nope, people just brought them for gaming anyway because the were the most expensive mistakenly believing they were the best or fastest, because they were expensive and had a lot more VRAM.

 

The Titan V wasn't even the gaming architecture, it was the compute/Tesla architecture and was legitimately awful at gaming.

 

What happened was it became very apparent to Nvidia that a consumer branded card like the Titan could never serve the purpose of it's existence because nobody was buying it for that. So they just dropped the Titan name, kept the tier of card and stopped trying to make it suitable for other purposes anymore. Since it was getting so expensive re: Titan V applicable buyers may as well just buy a Tesla or Quadro (Workstation) card anyway therefore eliminating the problem with the Titan naming.

 

The fact that you thought and considered the Titan's as gaming cards illustrates the problem heh.

 

• GTX Titan, released in 2013 - Workstation/Tesla
• GTX Titan Black, released in February 2014 - Workstation/Tesla
• GTX Titan Z, released in March 2014 - Workstation/Tesla
• GTX Titan X, released in 2015
• Titan X (2016), released in 2016
• Titan Xp, released in April 2017
• Titan V, released in December 2017 - Workstation/Tesla
• Titan RTX, released in 2018

[Rym]

19 hours ago, IkeaGnome said:

Point being?

Not very bright I see.

 

His point was that MSRP for EU is 2000€ while you kept talking about the US.

 

EU has import taxes, and the MSRP ends up at 1999€.