Is 3080 founders a good buy in mu situation?

[Origami Cactus]

So basically right now I am staying in a country where I can buy a founders edition from Nvidia, the 3080 costs 750€. Back home the 3080 costs over 1k, so really out of budget.

I will be home before the new cards launch, so I would have to pay a similar markup over those too, and not to say that I wouldn't get the founders edition.

So I am thinking of buying the founders edition now, and when new cards launch and they are really good, I could just sell it, and as a collectors edition it should have more value.

[Moonzy]

3 hours ago, Origami Cactus said:

and as a collectors edition it should have more value.

i heard FE cards have horribad VRAM cooling, might wanna look into it if it's a 3090 exclusive issue or it affects 3080 as well

[Darknighterror]

17 minutes ago, Moonzy said:

i heard FE cards have horribad VRAM cooling, might wanna look into it if it's a 3090 exclusive issue or it affects 3080 as well

Cooling on the 30xx FE's is indeed not the best and also affects the 3080. Im also thinking about buying the 3080 FE because of the price and the results of my research are, that its perfectly usable if you replace (and add some more) the thermal pads. Seems to be easy and cheap + there are good tutorials out there. The Stock 3080 FE is okayish, but under heavy load the temps gets higher than you want (100° C and higher)

[Origami Cactus]

@Moonzy and @Darknighterror I am currently running a 1080ti mini, an abomination of a card that is 250w, but is the size of gt1030, and i am running it inside a shoebox, so idk, 100c for the memory seems fine, if the gpu die itself is like 78c.

And I am not going to pay actually 50% for a inno3d or other card with less resale value.

Right now my thinking is that because Nvidia doesn't sell the founders edition anywhere near my country, the closest country where it is sold is like 1000+km away, 

I think if i keep the packaging and the gpu in top shape, I could sell it for much higher price on the used market than a generic nobrand chinese card like inno3d. The asus and msi cards are like 1200€, and I can foresee the same happening as the rtx 2000 launch, where the pascal cards never lowered in value, but jsut disappeared.

[jones177]

19 minutes ago, Origami Cactus said:

So Nvidia in Europe is really strict with where they sell their Founders editions to, it is weird tbh, but I can't change that.

So right now I am in the country where Nvidia ships to, nothing ships to my home country, and mining is really big back home too, so the prices are frankly insane, right now the cheapest 3060ti costs more than the FE 3080.

I'll be back home before next gen gpus launch, and I wouldn't put my bets on them being anywhere close to fairly priced either.

So right now I am thinking of waiting for a Nvidia drop, and getting one of those GPUs, whichever one I can get, and then sticking with that. Because Founders editions are unavailable in my country, I think that also will make the resell price much higher for me, because collectors edition basically.

 

I am thinking of leaving the 3070 out of the equation, because right now I have a 1080ti, so it should be about as fast.

While AMD gpus are available for MSRP, thank you, but actually no, they are unusable for anything more than strict gaming, so absolutely not an option for me. I have tried them multiple times, I have looked into them even now, not an option.

 

So is my thinking reasonable? Even if the Next gen gpus are much faster, I would get the 3080 or 3070ti for 300€ cheaper than back in my home country, and because it is a founders edition, if i keep the box and keep the card looking pretty, I should be able to sell it more easily.

I don't know how I'll take the gpu on the plane, but I'll think of that when that situation actually arises.

 

The 3090ti, 3090 and 3080ti founders editions have been in stock for 3 days now, so seems like they have some supply of gpus, and the 3060ti was even in stock for a moment.

They are a great buys but for 4k gaming I think their life span is limited.

 

I had a Strix 3080 OC. 

I tested it in SOTTR at 4k using RT and it used 9.5gbs vram(dedicated not allocated). 

 

In online game benches the 3080 Fe was not an upgrade for my FTW3 Ultra 2080 ti.

This is what it looked like.

SOTTR on ultra with TAA with a i9 9900k. I added the 3080 FE and 3070 ti scores form gpucheck.com using a i9 10900k.

                                             1440p         4k

 

EVGA 1080 ti SC2                 84fps        Na

FTW3 Ultra 2080 ti               123fps      74fps

3070 ti Fe from web site       111fps       65fps

3080 Fe from web site          139fps      77fps

Strix 3080 White OC            144fps      87fps

EVGA XC3 Ultra 3080 ti       143fps     83fps 

FTW3 Ultra 3080 ti               154fps     96fps

 

A 3070 ti is not a good upgrade to a 1080 ti. It is slower than my FTW3 2080 ti and It also does not have enough vram.

 

As for cooling.

My traditional cases like my CM H500P Mesh and Corsair 5000d were inadequate for cooling high end 30 series cards.

I now use cases with intakes below the GPU and exhaust everywhere else for gaming. 

 

 

 

[Origami Cactus]

1 minute ago, jones177 said:

They are a great buys but for 4k gaming I think their life span is limited.

 

I had a Strix 3080 OC. 

I tested it in SOTTR at 4k using RT and it used 9.5gbs vram(dedicated not allocated). 

 

In online game benches the 3080 Fe was not an upgrade for my FTW3 Ultra 2080 ti.

This is what it looked like.

SOTTR on ultra with TAA with a i9 9900k. I added the 3080 FE and 3070 ti scores form gpucheck.com using a i9 10900k.

                                             1440p         4k

 

EVGA 1080 ti SC2                 84fps        Na

FTW3 Ultra 2080 ti               123fps      74fps

3070 ti Fe from web site       111fps       65fps

3080 Fe from web site          139fps      77fps

Strix 3080 White OC            144fps      87fps

EVGA XC3 Ultra 3080 ti       143fps     83fps 

FTW3 Ultra 3080 ti               154fps     96fps

 

A 3070 ti is not a good upgrade to a 1080 ti. It is slower than my FTW3 2080 ti and It also does not have enough vram.

 

As for cooling.

My traditional cases like my CM H500P Mesh and Corsair 5000d were inadequate for cooling high end 30 series cards.

I now use cases with intakes below the GPU and exhaust everywhere else for gaming. 

 

 

 

Okay.

While I have a 4k monitor too, it is only 60hz so seems to be fine, the main question is vr, where it seems like i could get atleast double the performance, because the rtx 3000 cards scale better with higher res.

But the 3070ti seems like a real ripoff so I'll be avoiding that, 100€ cheaper, but way worse than the 3080.

For the case I am thinking of a Thermaltake tower 100, people have a 3090 in that thing and it is cool enough.

[jones177]

4 hours ago, Origami Cactus said:

Okay.

While I have a 4k monitor too, it is only 60hz so seems to be fine, the main question is vr, where it seems like i could get atleast double the performance, because the rtx 3000 cards scale better with higher res.

But the 3070ti seems like a real ripoff so I'll be avoiding that, 100€ cheaper, but way worse than the 3080.

My VR rig is the i9 10900kf with the MSI 3090. When it used a 2080 ti it was fine. I mainly play a modded Fallout 4 so much harder to run than a vanilla VR game.

I think the 3070 ti is built not to last since to only has 8gbs vram. My GTX 1080 had that much. If it had 10 or 12 it would be a good product.

4 hours ago, Origami Cactus said:

For the case I am thinking of a Thermaltake tower 100, people have a 3090 in that thing and it is cool enough.

The Tower 100 is not a traditional case so a good choice. 

[xg32]

5 hours ago, Origami Cactus said:

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for vr i'd say it's about 80-90fps medium avg, not too many games anyway, if you are stuck with the FE at least dont get the 3090 or 3090ti cause the bottom ram will overheat, there are people that use them for work purposes and have multiple cards die in less than 18months. 

 

overall recommendation is any 3080 or 3080ti you can get your hands on at a decent price.

[Origami Cactus]

29 minutes ago, xg32 said:

for vr i'd say it's about 80-90fps medium avg, not too many games anyway, if you are stuck with the FE at least dont get the 3090 or 3090ti cause the bottom ram will overheat, there are people that use them for work purposes and have multiple cards die in less than 18months. 

 

overall recommendation is any 3080 or 3080ti you can get your hands on at a decent price.

The only way i can get my hands on a FE is through Nvidia themselves, so the price is good, if i am fast enough to complete the checkout.

The 3080ti and 3090 and even the 3090ti FE are in stock right now for msrp, but they all are too expensive, especially the 3080ti makes no sense to me at over 60% more expensive than the 3080, and that is on nvidias own pricing.