Everything You Know Is Wrong

[CPotter]

 

[Radium_Angel]

For a brief second, I thought Linus might be covering Weird Al....

https://genius.com/19571665

 

[Zodiark1593]

Our Chauvet fog machines we use for stage work are about $200 apiece, with a single one more than capable of filling the auditorium and dressing rooms. $1500 seems rather excessive.
 

Edit: would it make sense to have an intake fan on the rear panel under the gpu?

[Jorno]

now test some late 2000s/early 2010s cases that had side panel fans, even something like the HAF932 that had a 230mm side fan would be interesting af.

[kokosnh]

Try to 3d print a triangular air flow divider, so that the GPU can breath, and to help with the turbulences.  

But well, that case is just to small. In Fractal R5 I have 2 fans on bottom, blasting air directly to the GPU
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[samcool55]

There's always the ghetto option and remove the PCIE cover slots below the GPU.

That way the air can leave easier so the air pocket is reduced. I've done it a few times before and it usually worked, but not much.

It's more of a bandaid thing rather than a proper solution.

[Bermuda]

That was a a good video.  I have NZXT 710 and I really like it  I has to use GU as the AMD 5700XT bought for the build 12mths ago never worked. The GPU will rev up but the temp never goes above 70 Celsius. I had the same concern as in the vid regarding the GPU being staved of air but because the case has more open space it seems to be ok.  However I am considering installing a divider that would sit on top of the GPU and extend towards the ront fans to create a second compartment.  The lower front fan would then be more dedicated to the GPU. 

 

I bought the case because it has mature look to it when turn to the non-window side. I did not wat my P to look like a toy.

 

I did use card board and blocked the two exhaust holes on the top of case and in the middle port I fitted a 140mm Noctua fan which is right above the CPU cooler.  My thinking (3 points) was if I have too many fans in the top, those fans my pillage most of the fresh cooler air blow and it out the exhaust.  But more importantly I figured because there is lid on top of the case with slim side vents, having three fans on the top will increase the chances of hot air blowing back into the case.  As such the reason to use on port and block the other two.  The third reason with one fan fitted over the CPU it my increase the flow of air through the CPU cooler at 90 degree.  You will note my CPU fans are fixed inteh negative flow position.

 

When it hot, I don't wish to crank my A/C and I am rendering videos or paying ETS2 in high def I would take the top of the case off and give the to exhaust fan restriction free air flow.  This will keep the CPU at or below 59c.

 

My only wish is and complaint about PC's in general is their poor designed on air flow. I am a motor car engine enthusiast and in comparison PC's are horrible on air flow.  This is especially with GPU's (inlet and exhaust) the exhaust flow on the back of the PC.  This ties in with what Linus said about blowing all the air in you want but if the exhaust out flow is bad then you will have a heat problem (you would have a convection oven PC).

 

I am surprised GPU's even work when it comes to heat. In my view the fans should be pulling air in (air coming in the vents at rear of PC).  It is incredible there aren't concentrated heat issue directly above the fans due to positive air flow.  Blowing air on to a heat source can make it hotter just as you would blow air into heat source to melt metal.  I bet the GPU could benefit from negative air flow.  I have been looking into how best to build a exhaust attachment on the exhaust side of the GPU with a fan fitted to the attachment.  Or fit a dust filter to the exhaust attachment and reverse the direction of the GPU fans to give a negative air flow through the GPU.

 

Back tot eh case I would recommend the NZXT 710 to others (not suggesting Linus trashed the case).  Thanks again LTT for your channel as I could not have built my first PC as I did without your guidance!!!       

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[darknessblade]

When linus is gonna do a extensive test he should also check out GPU's like the 

 

ASUS strix LC RX6800XT.

which is a GPU with build in AIO.

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in my case IDLE temps are:

CPU: 30-35 [ambient around 20-22C] [top mount AIO]

GPU max 35-40C [Front mount AIO]

Both run in Silent modus.

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During gaming 

CPU: 60C max [some peaks of 70C for about 5 seconds] [ambient around 20-22C] [top mount AIO]

GPU 50C max [Front mount AIO]

Both still run in Silent modus, so fans don't spin loudly.

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I have about 2-3CM top clearance with my case as it sits under my desk.

 

[jones177]

My RTX 3080 tis ran hot in my Corsair 5000d and my CM H500p Mech. They both had dead air spots below the GPU.

 

I replaced them with Lian Li o11 dynamics that intake air below the GPU and exhaust out the top and side. They are about 10c cooler on the GPU than the cases they replaced.

 

I do use the black versions of the Noctua NF-A12x25 fans. One fan was on back order but the setup is doing fine with 2.

 

[RejZoR]

I've actually talked about this here on LTT forums months ago:

I have since replaced this test fan with BeQuiet Pure Wings 2 80mm fan that fits perfectly underneath my graphic card and is basically inaudible even at max RPM. It feeds air much better underneath graphic card than front fans can by themselves. I'm kinda surprised this isn't more widely known and addressed, even by case makers.

[Arika]

that's an interesting conclusion you came to when making the thumbnail....."more fans = worse"....in this one chassis.

[InstantNewt]

I’m actually a little surprised… NZXT’s piss poor excuse for case design doesn’t actually get better when you open up the front panel? They really don’t know what they’re doing over there. 
 

Honestly how are they still in business? They don’t even know how to mount a PCB to a case without causing a fire hazard. Is there not a single competent engineer working for them?

[MultiGamerClub]

3 hours ago, jones177 said:

My RTX 3080 tis ran hot in my Corsair 5000d and my CM H500p Mech. They both had dead air spots below the GPU.

 

I replaced them with Lian Li o11 dynamics that intake air below the GPU and exhaust out the top and side. They are about 10c cooler on the GPU than the cases they replaced.

 

I do use the black versions of the Noctua NF-A12x25 fans. One fan was on back order but the setup is doing fine with 2.

 

I love seeing this case on peoples desktops.. Seeing as i have the same case with 9 A-RGB fans from Arctic.

[IkeaGnome]

2 hours ago, InstantNewt said:

Honestly how are they still in business? They don’t even know how to mount a PCB to a case without causing a fire hazard. Is there not a single competent engineer working for them?

Realistically, this isn't limited to just NZXT cases. I'd be interested to see how a 4000D would do as well. It's got a somewhat similar layout to the Flow. I'm quick to hate on NZXT as well, but sometimes it isn't limited to just them. I'd be willing to bet if I shut down the fans under my GPU, my O11 Dynamic would do the same thing. 

 

[jones177]

41 minutes ago, MultiGamerClub said:

I love seeing this case on peoples desktops.. Seeing as i have the same case with 9 A-RGB fans from Arctic.

I need to put a little more money into it since the stock PSU cables look bad. 

They were not noticeable in the CM H500P but everything is noticeable in the Dynamic.

[Chiyawa]

Nah, NZXT 510 case are for aesthetic and never for air-flow performance. If they want, they should redesign the front fan slot so it can lower one of the front fan to give air to the GPU.

 

But like many, NZXT just jump in the front mesh panel wagon just to grab some market share. The H510 was not cut out for air-flow design in the first place. They need to come up with better front fan placement.

 

Also, GPU using axial fan was a mistake. We should redesign so that we place the 2 or 3 40mm axial fan in vertical or up-right position at the end of the GPU and use a blower style heat-sink. The fan can then suck all the air from front fan and blow it out of the case. Triple slot GPU can easily accommodate those small fan.

[MultiGamerClub]

1 hour ago, jones177 said:

I need to put a little more money into it since the stock PSU cables look bad. 

They were not noticeable in the CM H500P but everything is noticeable in the Dynamic.

True.. Im still saving up for another white extension cable.. Seeing my mess just doesnt fit right..

 

But first my car xenon light needs a replacement and it does not look cheap x'D

[Bitter]

My Vega56 has a couple 4 pin fan headers on it so it can control case fans to feed it more air because hungry card need air. Why this isn't more common I don't know, it's not exactly expensive to add to already really expensive cards.

Anyway, I've always been a champion of experiment and do what works best for your setup and not just intake in front and exhaust in rear is the only way. I've ran reverse flow, I've ran air flow diverters, I've had fans inside the case to break up dead spots, I've done what works for me based on best temps vs tolerable noise. It may look stupid, it may look wrong, but science doesn't care and data backs me up.

 

For that NZXT case it would almost make sense to chamber the GPU with a divider between the card and front fan to force all the front fan air to the card and maybe even 3D print or just shape a wedge for the fat 'leading' edge so the air can smoothly flow to under it where the intakes for the cooler are.  Even a simple 3D printed duct on the lower fan would let you put the intake air RIGHT at the card. Sure, it would be ugly but if you used a UV printer and some semi-transparent resin you could RGB the heck out of it so it's not ugly it's a feature. Also, depending how close the card fin stack is to the side panel that could be harming exhaust from the card and keeping it from it's full cooling potential.

[jones177]

8 hours ago, MultiGamerClub said:

True.. Im still saving up for another white extension cable.. Seeing my mess just doesnt fit right..

 

But first my car xenon light needs a replacement and it does not look cheap x'D

It is always something. 

I don't see myself spending anything on computers until February or March. 

 

11 hours ago, IkeaGnome said:

 I'd be willing to bet if I shut down the fans under my GPU, my O11 Dynamic would do the same thing. 

My i9 10900kf/MSI Gaming X Trio 3080 ti is in a Dynamic as well and I did test it with no fans on the bottom and it did surprisingly well. With the top AIO and the side fans exhausting, air is drawn up from the bottom and it was enough to keep the 3080 ti at 75c running Heaven. Adding one of the cheap fans that came with my 5000d dropped the temps so 72c in the same bench. I left it at that for now but I have bought more fans since the build so it will get an upgrade. 

[LlF]

i would imagine a meshify compact2 will fair similarly to the nzxt case in the video ? they are basically the same design. they are standard atx cases minus the space for side mounted 3.5 hard drives in the front. so air comes in and is immediately hit with the side of a 3090.

 

[kidlat017]

so you were ranting about how the gpu backplate is receiving too little air because cpu hsf is too big. so I'm wondering what will happen if you use a gpu riser