Intel released their 11th Gen Tiger Lake CPU for gaming, "i5 beats Ryzen 9"

[Zmimgo]

Summary

Intel released their 11th Gen Tiger Lake H-series and their vPro H-series CPUs. CPUs on the 11th May. They are based on their 10nm SuperFin architecture.

 

Quotes

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The new 11th Generation Intel® Core™ H-series mobile processors (code-named “Tiger Lake-H”) launched worldwide today, led by the flagship Intel® Core™ i9-11980HK — the “World’s Best Gaming Laptop Processor.”1 The Intel Core i9-11980HK delivers the highest-performance2 in laptops for gaming, content creators and business professionals reaching speeds of up to 5.0 gigahertz (GHz).

 

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Extending the performance momentum established by the 11th Gen Intel Core H35 series, the 11th Gen Intel H-series processors, based on 10 nanometer SuperFin process technology, feature up to 8 cores and 16 threads, with single and dual-core turbo performance up to 5.0GHz. Additionally, the central processing unit (CPU) can directly access high-speed GDDR6 memory attached to the graphics card, enabling gamers to experience higher framerates with lower latency, and load large textures faster. The mobile processor offers 2.5 times the total PCIe bandwidth to the CPU compared with the 10th Gen H-series processors, and three times the total PCIe bandwidth compared with other industry processors.

 

New platform features also include:

20 PCIe Gen 4.0 lanes with Intel® Rapid Storage Technology bootable in Raid 0 — and up to 44 total PCIe lanes that include 24 PCIe Gen 3.0 lanes from a dedicated platform controller hub.

Memory support up to DDR4-3200.

Thunderbolt™ 4 with transfer speeds up to 40Gbps.

Discrete Intel® Killer™ Wi-Fi 6E (Gig+).

Dual Embedded Display Port integrated for power optimized companion display.

Here are the new processors:

 

"Consumer Mobile Processors":

Core i9-11980HK

Core i9-11900H

Core i7-11800H

Core i5-11400H

Core i5-11260H

 

"Commercial Mobile Processors" (with SIPP, vPro and TXT):

Xeon W-11955M

Core i9-11950H

Xeon W-11855M

Core i7-11850H

Core i5-11500H

 

My thoughts

I'm going to leave this one to you guys. All the files will be in the "Sources" part.

I will be completly honest with you guys here. I did not know that this even existed before I saw a TikTok in the chinese app Douyin (@947382643). AMD seems to be winning in China, not only because of Ryzen, but also because of their marketing. They even sponsored a chinese artist called Ele Yan (which made me laugh the day I saw it). Everything you see on the Intel Douyin account is just people saying AMD YES.

Honestly, looking at the Intel presentation vs the 5900HX, it actually seems promising. I know that those numbers might be cherry picked, but if they can gain a maximum of 26% perforamnce boost in Grid 2019, I would assume that Intel would at least be able to compete with AMD. But the 16th slide really blew me away. A i5 trading blows with an R9 5900HS? That just seems wrong to me.
Considoring the recent things Intel has done to say "hey, Intel is better than Apple Silicon", I wouldn't be shocked if the new processors wasn't that great, but defintaly something to look forward to.  

Also worth noting is that in the chinese Douyin, Intel China did talk about the iGPU, but who would use that in a gaming laptop?

 

Sources

https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/newsroom/news/11th-gen-core-mobile-h.html#gs.0mua8z

https://download.intel.com/newsroom/2021/client-computing/11th-gen-h-series-press-deck.pdf

https://download.intel.com/newsroom/2021/client-computing/11th-gen-intel-core-h-series-product-brief.pdf

https://download.intel.com/newsroom/2021/client-computing/tgl-u-h-platform-brief.pdf

oh and also the chinese douyin: https://v.douyin.com/eUtyjjW/

[Helpful Tech Witch]

1 minute ago, Zongohihello said:

A i5 trading blows with an R9 5900HS?

 

 

i bet theres some stuff goign on here like everything that intel has dont with benchmarks with AMD laptops before.

theres no way a 6 core can beat a 8.

ah. I dont see any synthetics here. Wonder why.

[Beerzerker]

EDITED to remove erroneous info.

Sorry about that.

 

[Zmimgo]

1 minute ago, Beerzerker said:

Ryzen 9 is of the older 3 series, not the newest 5 series.
Can't beat the last gen with their brandnew stuff.
What a joke.

 

???

[Helpful Tech Witch]

Just now, Beerzerker said:

Ryzen 9 is of the older 3 series, not the newest 5 series.
Can't beat the last gen with their brandnew stuff.
What a joke.

 

the did test it against a 5900h, which is a zen 3 cpu. 3000 series ryzen used zen 2, 5000 series ryzen uses zen 3.

[TheReal1980]

Are there any benchmarks?

[Zmimgo]

1 minute ago, TheReal1980 said:

Are there any benchmarks?

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Sources

https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/newsroom/news/11th-gen-core-mobile-h.html#gs.0mua8z

https://download.intel.com/newsroom/2021/client-computing/11th-gen-h-series-press-deck.pdf

https://download.intel.com/newsroom/2021/client-computing/11th-gen-intel-core-h-series-product-brief.pdf

https://download.intel.com/newsroom/2021/client-computing/tgl-u-h-platform-brief.pdf

oh and also the chinese douyin: https://v.douyin.com/eUtyjjW/

 

EDIT: Just noting, these are first-party benchmarks. Don't believe them to be totally accurate

[D13H4RD]

I think it'll be an uphill task either way.

 

I actually have a Tiger Lake laptop right now, a 28W quad-core 1135G7, so nowhere near the potential of the 45W 6/8 cores. It's actually a more capable processor than many realize for daily use but the reason why I said uphill task is because Ryzen has been the champ in the higher-performance segment for a good while, and whilst 10nm SF amongst all the other stuff are nice upgrades, this isn't the gen where they'll overtake Ryzen as a whole, but at the very least will not be that far behind.

[Beerzerker]

12 minutes ago, HelpfulTechWizard said:

the did test it against a 5900h, which is a zen 3 cpu. 3000 series ryzen used zen 2, 5000 series ryzen uses zen 3.

EDITED to correct erroneous info.

[jaslion]

I'll make up my mind when I see actual reviews instead of intel marketing. So far I believe nothing they put in here.

[Zmimgo]

Just now, Beerzerker said:

Part of the thread title says "Ryzen 9" so I had to go with that.

Did you read the forum post?

[Helpful Tech Witch]

Just now, Beerzerker said:

Part of the thread title says "Ryzen 9" so I had to go with that.

that 5900h is a ryzen 9....... there are zen 3 bassed ryzen 9 cpus, did you not know that?

[Beerzerker]

2 minutes ago, HelpfulTechWizard said:

that 5900h is a ryzen 9....... there are zen 3 bassed ryzen 9 cpus, did you not know that?

You are correct - And I must correct myself.
There is a Ryzen 9 of that series....
I've gotten them mixed up before.

Yet I still don't believe all the hype.

[TheReal1980]

3 minutes ago, Zongohihello said:

 

EDIT: Just noting, these are first-party benchmarks. Don't believe them to be totally accurate

Yeah I was looking for Geekbench and other benchmarks people use. Tack ändå :).

[Helpful Tech Witch]

Just now, TheReal1980 said:

Yeah I was looking for Geekbench and other benchmarks people use. Tack ändå :).

yep. only vauge 1st party  gaming benchmarks. no synthetics.

 

and theres little information about things like the ram config. for all we know the ram on the amd one could be 2133mhz. it only lists the configurations for the intel ones in the apendix.

[Chris Pratt]

Yeah, I'm not sure what magic they're pulling behind the scenes, but if they can't even beat AMD on desktop with unlimited power, not sure how they can do it on mobile under power and thermal constraints. I didn't see anything that necessarily stood out in the system config, although running on a unreleased pre-production model means you can't count on actually released products performing anywhere near the same.

[Beerzerker]

OK - Now that I'm kinda straight here....
I can't believe it with all the links in the opening post that goes only to Intel posts with the exception of one.
Marketing PR for sure here.

[TheReal1980]

Wait, why did they measure it against the AMD processor? They were going against Apple before? Don't tell me the 11980HK is slower than the M1? I am sure it is for testing on Windows, but still...

[Helpful Tech Witch]

20 minutes ago, TheReal1980 said:

Wait, why did they measure it against the AMD processor? They were going against Apple before? Don't tell me the 11980HK is slower than the M1? I am sure it is for testing on Windows, but still...

m1 needs a synthetic, which meants that there would be more than gaming numbers, which meants that they would have to give more information. DOnt you see the problem with m1 testing?

/s

[porina]

23 minutes ago, Chris Pratt said:

if they can't even beat AMD on desktop with unlimited power, not sure how they can do it on mobile under power and thermal constraints

The mobile CPUs are far more advanced than their desktop offerings. Tiger Lake has both architecture and process advantages over Rocket Lake, giving it at least a generation advantage.

 

18 minutes ago, TheReal1980 said:

Wait, why did they measure it against the AMD processor? They were going against Apple before? Don't tell me the 11980HK is slower than the M1? I am sure it is for testing on Windows, but still...

Might be because of processor positioning. The earlier Tiger Lake processors were lower power limit and targeted at the smaller lighter end of the mobile market. These new Tiger Lake CPUs have a higher power budget and are for bigger form factor and performance uses.

 

 

Semi-related: With both nvidia annoucing the x50 series mobile Ampere GPUs, and Tiger Lake-H, the gaming laptop space is getting pretty interesting. However one of the Lenovo Legion 5 models has caught my eye. It pairs a 5800H with a 3070, for £1300 which isn't bad for that GPU level. CPU matters far less in mobile gaming than GPU and that balance has always felt off to me in the past.

[Chris Pratt]

1 minute ago, porina said:

The mobile CPUs are far more advanced than their desktop offerings. Tiger Lake has both architecture and process advantages over Rocket Lake, giving it at least a generation advantage.

Granted, but I'm still not buying it. The other thing not covered in the deck is battery. That 26% uplift doesn't look so hot if the laptop dies in 30 minutes. We'll just have to see when actual reviewers get their hands on it.

 

It's entirely possible that there's a significant bump in performance, and maybe they even do beat out the Ryzen chips, but I'd be completely shocked if it's really by this much.

[TheReal1980]

This one I don't fully understand...

 

 

Compared to Ryzen 5900HX

Video creation workflow: 18% faster

Photo processing: 24% faster

MS Office Productivity Workflow: 19% faster

 

My question is, what does this even mean? Photo processing +24% compared to the 5900HX.... doing WHAT exactly? This seems so vague... 

 

[Zmimgo]

1 hour ago, Beerzerker said:

OK - Now that I'm kinda straight here....
I can't believe it with all the links in the opening post that goes only to Intel posts with the exception of one.
Marketing PR for sure here.

All the links are to Intel because that's everything you need to know for now. No one outside of Intel has them, or they are comapnies such as MSI and ASUS, who aren't allowed to leak or talk about the processors. And nothing would change even if I got the information from tech websites, such as The Verge (Article by The Verge), since they either know as little as we do, or they don't know anything about the new processors. Everything we can go from is Intels official documents.

 

This forum post isn't to paint Intel in a favorable light, it's just a little news article that says what Intel released. I am not saying that any of this is true, personally I actually believe that AMD still will be king in the notebook market, but that does not mean that I am an AMD fanboy. I often reply to posts on the PCPP forum, and my job is to recommend people what the best configuration would be, not say that everything AMD does is bad and Intel is the lord and savior.

(also if you read the story more carefully you would know that the last link points to Intel Chinas Douyin video)

[Zmimgo]

35 minutes ago, TheReal1980 said:

This one I don't fully understand...

 

 

Compared to Ryzen 5900HX

Video creation workflow: 18% faster

Photo processing: 24% faster

MS Office Productivity Workflow: 19% faster

 

My question is, what does this even mean? Photo processing +24% compared to the 5900HX.... doing WHAT exactly? This seems so vague... 

 

"MS Office Productivity Workflow"

 

Shows Google Sheets

 

This is what the footnotes say:

 

EDIT: It's still not clear what it means, but some information is better than none

[TheReal1980]

1 minute ago, Zongohihello said:

"MS Office Productivity Workflow"

 

Shows Google Sheets

 

This is what the footnotes say:

That is interesting. Well, I guess we all have to wait and see.