Is I9 10850K still worth the buying? It is 450 USD cheaper here than 5900X

[Herkul]

Is I9 10850K still worth the buying? It is 450 USD cheaper here than 5900X. Mainly for Photoshop, Lightroom and some 4 K editing. Not going to game.

 

Thanks.

[Analog]

1 minute ago, Herkul said:

Is I9 10850K still worth the buying? It is 450 USD cheaper here than 5900X. Mainly for Photoshop, Lightroom and some 4 K editing. Not going to game.

 

Thanks.

 

Yes, the 10850K is still a very good processor. Considering that it is so much cheaper than the 5900X, it would be a no brainer to spend the extra on an AMD build.

[IkeaGnome]

The 5800x is the competition for the 10850k..

Even in workstations.

https://www.pugetsystems.com/labs/articles/11th-Gen-Intel-Core-CPU-Review-Roundup-2106/

[Herkul]

1 minute ago, IkeaGnome said:

The 5800x is the competition for the 10850k..

Even in workstations.

https://www.pugetsystems.com/labs/articles/11th-Gen-Intel-Core-CPU-Review-Roundup-2106/

But what about high temperatures under load?

[IkeaGnome]

Just now, Herkul said:

But what about high temperatures under load?

Go through and read that article. It'll shed new light on the 5800x and Zen 3 in general.

 

Easily fixed with a decent motherboard and PBO settings. In an ITX case, with a L-12S I hardly see above 85C.

 

[Herkul]

1 minute ago, IkeaGnome said:

Go through and read that article. It'll shed new light on the 5800x and Zen 3 in general.

 

Easily fixed with a decent motherboard and PBO settings. In an ITX case, with a L-12S I hardly see above 85C.

 

I will read it throguh, so 85 C is normal? I thought it is quite high?

[Stahlmann]

Just now, Herkul said:

I will read it throguh, so 85 C is normal? I thought it is quite high?

It's on the higher side, but still in spec for Ryzen. But in the end you'll have to factor in a decent cooler regardless of choosing the 10850K or 5800X.

[IkeaGnome]

Just now, Herkul said:

I will read it throguh, so 85 C is normal? I thought it is quite high?

Here's the photoshop specific testing.

https://www.pugetsystems.com/labs/articles/Adobe-Photoshop-11th-Gen-Intel-Core-vs-AMD-Ryzen-5000-Series-2099/

 

85 under load in a tiny case with a tiny air cooler?  It's really not bad. Well within limits.

If you're coming from Intel, the 5800x will "feel" hot because of how their boost process works compared to Intel's

 

[Herkul]

4 minutes ago, Stahlmann said:

It's on the higher side, but still in spec for Ryzen. But in the end you'll have to factor in a decent cooler regardless of choosing the 10850K or 5800X.

I am looking into these parts:

 

Fractal Design Meshify C Baltas - TG FD-CA-MESH-C-WT-TGC Side window case &

CPU COOLER MULTI SOCKET/KRAKEN X73 RGB cooler

[Herkul]

4 minutes ago, IkeaGnome said:

Here's the photoshop specific testing.

https://www.pugetsystems.com/labs/articles/Adobe-Photoshop-11th-Gen-Intel-Core-vs-AMD-Ryzen-5000-Series-2099/

 

85 under load in a tiny case with a tiny air cooler?  It's really not bad. Well within limits.

If you're coming from Intel, the 5800x will "feel" hot because of how their boost process works compared to Intel's

 

I am coming from I5-4690K

[Stahlmann]

5 minutes ago, Herkul said:

I am looking into these parts:

 

Fractal Design Meshify C Baltas - TG FD-CA-MESH-C-WT-TGC Side window case &

CPU COOLER MULTI SOCKET/KRAKEN X73 RGB cooler

Both the case and cooler will have an easy time keeping both CPUs cool.

 

4 minutes ago, Herkul said:

I am coming from I5-4690K

Either one of the CPUs will be a huge upgrade then.

[Herkul]

1 minute ago, Stahlmann said:

Both the case and cooler will have an easy time keeping both CPUs cool.

 

Either one of the CPUs will be a huge upgrade then.

Absolutely!

[IkeaGnome]

11 minutes ago, Herkul said:

I am coming from I5-4690K

They both will also seem a lot hotter. Ryzen in general will seem hotter than Intel though. If you're curious as to why, look into AMDs PBO.

For Intel's CPU boost, you get 56 seconds.

AMD uses PBO. If the CPU is set to thermal throttle at 100c it'll boost as much and as long as it can until it hits that 100c. The only things stopping it from hitting that 100c would be CPU cooler, VRMs getting too hot, or not enough power from your PSU. In PBO you can turn the voltage offset down, which sends less power to the CPU and VRMs so you get less heat, but it's possible to actually boost higher because of it.

 

[Herkul]

4 minutes ago, IkeaGnome said:

They both will also seem a lot hotter. Ryzen in general will seem hotter than Intel though. If you're curious as to why, look into AMDs PBO.

For Intel's CPU boost, you get 56 seconds.

AMD uses PBO. If the CPU is set to thermal throttle at 100c it'll boost as much and as long as it can until it hits that 100c. The only things stopping it from hitting that 100c would be CPU cooler, VRMs getting too hot, or not enough power from your PSU. In PBO you can turn the voltage offset down, which sends less power to the CPU and VRMs so you get less heat, but it's possible to actually boost higher because of it.

 

I see. So technically there is nothing to worry about high temperature.

What motherboards would you recommend for 5800x and Intel I9 10850? Thanks.

[IkeaGnome]

1 minute ago, Herkul said:

I see. So technically there is nothing to worry about high temperature.

Not really, no. Theres so many people that were talking about the 5800x being hotter than the others because of how it's made. Internally it's a lot more "dense" than the 5950x. When I get to work and am at my computer I can find a diagram that shows why this is the case. 

As far as why I linked Puget Systems there. They are a System Integrator first. They do a ton of testing on the side. Where when you go to NZXT and say I want this computer, and you hope it does what you want. PS tests hardware combinations with software. You go to them and say I do this work load and want to spend this much. They build a computer for that. Look into them if you haven't. They publish all their findings on the site that I linked earlier. 

 

5 minutes ago, Herkul said:

What motherboards would you recommend for 5800x and Intel I9 10850? Thanks.

I haven't gone with Intel for 10th or 11th gen, so I'm not sure what is what for their motherboards. Any that has good VRMs and features that you want. 

I use a MSI MPG B550I and haven't had issues with VRM. Same thing here though. Good VRMs and features you want. In the motherboard section of the forum there is a Motherboard Tier List. It's for AMD since boards are used for much longer with AMD. 

[Herkul]

19 minutes ago, IkeaGnome said:

Not really, no. Theres so many people that were talking about the 5800x being hotter than the others because of how it's made. Internally it's a lot more "dense" than the 5950x. When I get to work and am at my computer I can find a diagram that shows why this is the case. 

As far as why I linked Puget Systems there. They are a System Integrator first. They do a ton of testing on the side. Where when you go to NZXT and say I want this computer, and you hope it does what you want. PS tests hardware combinations with software. You go to them and say I do this work load and want to spend this much. They build a computer for that. Look into them if you haven't. They publish all their findings on the site that I linked earlier. 

 

I haven't gone with Intel for 10th or 11th gen, so I'm not sure what is what for their motherboards. Any that has good VRMs and features that you want. 

I use a MSI MPG B550I and haven't had issues with VRM. Same thing here though. Good VRMs and features you want. In the motherboard section of the forum there is a Motherboard Tier List. It's for AMD since boards are used for much longer with AMD. 

Thank you. What about Userbenchmark, is it unreliable?

When you compare two processors it surely states that 10850K is a winner.

[Mister Woof]

17 minutes ago, Herkul said:

Thank you. What about Userbenchmark, is it unreliable?

When you compare two processors it surely states that 10850K is a winner.

Look at comprehensive reviews. Userbenchmark is only good to see how your sample is compared to the other samples of the same SKU. Even then, it can be misleading, since it contains all OCs even those that aren't actually stable.

[Herkul]

3 minutes ago, Mister Woof said:

Look at comprehensive reviews. Userbenchmark is only good to see how your sample is compared to the other samples of the same SKU. Even then, it can be misleading, since it contains all OCs even those that aren't actually stable.

Are you happy with your i9-10900KF?

[Mister Woof]

5 minutes ago, Herkul said:

Are you happy with your i9-10900KF?

Yes, very.

 

If the 5800x was $399 it would have been a harder decision. But at it's current price, and paired with decent RAM, generally even at lower resolutions the 10900KF with a modest OC is about even with all the Ryzen CPUs at what I use it for.

[Mister Woof]

Consider this, too:

With a healthy OC, the 10900K is still better at almost everything than the 11900k.

 

 

[Herkul]

3 minutes ago, Mister Woof said:

Consider this, too:

With a healthy OC, the 10900K is still better at almost everything than the 11900k.

 

 

11 generation is a joke! 5800x costs just 60 USD more here than 10850K.

[Mister Woof]

3 minutes ago, Herkul said:

11 generation is a joke! 5800x costs just 60 USD more here than 10850K.

I wouldn't feel bad about getting it.

 

I actually had a 5800x on delivery from AMD Store, but I returned it ultimately. 

 

People don't want to talk about it, and I'm sure I'll get some shit here for saying it, but in my experience AMD CPU, or more specifically, AMD motherboards, are just more work and have more quirks than Intel builds. The fact AGESA is such a big deal with memory issues up the wazoo should give you some insight to that.

 

However, credit is given where credit is due, and AMD has made a great CPU. There's no question they've advanced quite a bit, and in at least partway have surpassed Intel. It seems memory is still their biggest hurdle, though. The third generation memory controller is holding them back. Once they get that figured out it will be even harder to recommend Intel for anything.

[Herkul]

21 minutes ago, Mister Woof said:

I wouldn't feel bad about getting it.

 

I actually had a 5800x on delivery from AMD Store, but I returned it ultimately. 

 

People don't want to talk about it, and I'm sure I'll get some shit here for saying it, but in my experience AMD CPU, or more specifically, AMD motherboards, are just more work and have more quirks than Intel builds. The fact AGESA is such a big deal with memory issues up the wazoo should give you some insight to that.

 

However, credit is given where credit is due, and AMD has made a great CPU. There's no question they've advanced quite a bit, and in at least partway have surpassed Intel. It seems memory is still their biggest hurdle, though. The third generation memory controller is holding them back. Once they get that figured out it will be even harder to recommend Intel for anything.

I agree, but all the reviews about temperature and getting the CPU hot are tempting me to just go with I9 10850K. I hope it will be a decent decision and I will be happy with it.Not sure for how many years it will last though.

[Mister Woof]

1 minute ago, Herkul said:

I agree, but all the reviews about temperature and getting the CPU hot are tempting me to just go with I9 10850K. I hope it will be a decent decision and I will be happy with it.Not sure for how many years it will last though.

IMO the difference for my uses is so small that it's not really even something to worry about.

I can't say for sure for your use case, but I would absolutely spend less time agonizing about the decision and just make one.

 

Get one of them and start getting work or gaming done.

[Herkul]

28 minutes ago, Mister Woof said:

IMO the difference for my uses is so small that it's not really even something to worry about.

I can't say for sure for your use case, but I would absolutely spend less time agonizing about the decision and just make one.

 

Get one of them and start getting work or gaming done.

Indeed! Thanks man!