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Is I9 10850K still worth the buying? It is 450 USD cheaper here than 5900X

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5 minutes ago, Herkul said:

Oh, really? What about cooling. Will dark rock 4 pro be enough?

I'd go with one of the better units on this list

 

DRP4 should be from everything I've read - it looks like a good cooler as well, just make sure the case and the memory will fit it

 

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4 minutes ago, Herkul said:

Or shall I go with B570 motherboard?

There is no B570 motherboard. It's either B550, or X570. As for which one, it'll more of less come down to features you want. Color, number of USB slots etc. 

That being said, on the 5800x, I'd try to stay Tier S, S- or A in this list.

 

I'm not actually trying to be as grumpy as it seems.

I will find your mentions of Ikea or Gnome and I will /s post. 

Project Hot Box

CPU 13900k, Motherboard Gigabyte Aorus Elite AX, RAM CORSAIR Vengeance 4x16gb 5200 MHZ, GPU Zotac RTX 4090 Trinity OC, Case Fractal Pop Air XL, Storage Sabrent Rocket Q4 2tb, CORSAIR Force Series MP510 1920GB NVMe, CORSAIR FORCE Series MP510 960GB NVMe, PSU CORSAIR HX1000i, Cooling Corsair XC8 CPU block, Bykski GPU block, 360mm and 280mm radiator, Displays Odyssey G9, LG 34UC98-W 34-Inch,Keyboard Mountain Everest Max, Mouse Mountain Makalu 67, Sound AT2035, Massdrop 6xx headphones, Go XLR 

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CPU i9-9900k, Motherboard, ASUS Rog Maximus Code XI, RAM, 48GB Corsair Vengeance LPX 32GB 3200 mhz (2x16)+(2x8) GPUs Asus ROG Strix 2070 8gb, PNY 1080, Nvidia 1080, Case Mining Frame, 2x Storage Samsung 860 Evo 500 GB, PSU Corsair RM1000x and RM850x, Cooling Asus Rog Ryuo 240 with Noctua NF-12 fans

 

Why is the 5800x so hot?

 

 

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1 minute ago, IkeaGnome said:

There is no B570 motherboard. It's either B550, or X570. As for which one, it'll more of less come down to features you want. Color, number of USB slots etc. 

That being said, on the 5800x, I'd try to stay Tier S, S- or A in this list.

 

My mistake. I meant X570. If there is not much of a difference, I am heading with https://www.varle.lt/pagrindines-plokstes/pagrindine-plokste-asus-rog-strix-b550-f-gaming-wi-fi--14196152.html in that case. I like it more. 😛 I will watch them.

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6 minutes ago, Herkul said:

My mistake. I meant X570. If there is not much of a difference, I am heading with https://www.varle.lt/pagrindines-plokstes/pagrindine-plokste-asus-rog-strix-b550-f-gaming-wi-fi--14196152.html in that case. I like it more. 😛 I will watch them.

The one other quirk with AMD and Zen 3. Motherboards may or may not come with a BIOS on it that will support a 5800x out of the box. However, most of the B550 and X570 boards will support "Bios Flashback." All you really need to be aware of here, is that you should have a USB drive with nothing on it except a recent BIOS version from the ASUS site.

https://rog.asus.com/us/motherboards/rog-strix/rog-strix-b550-f-gaming-model/helpdesk_bios

Then you follow these steps.

https://www.asus.com/us/support/FAQ/1038568/

Or if you're a video learner

Do note that all that is in the motherboard is the 24 pin power connector. No ram, no CPU no GPU, no SSD. 

I'm not actually trying to be as grumpy as it seems.

I will find your mentions of Ikea or Gnome and I will /s post. 

Project Hot Box

CPU 13900k, Motherboard Gigabyte Aorus Elite AX, RAM CORSAIR Vengeance 4x16gb 5200 MHZ, GPU Zotac RTX 4090 Trinity OC, Case Fractal Pop Air XL, Storage Sabrent Rocket Q4 2tb, CORSAIR Force Series MP510 1920GB NVMe, CORSAIR FORCE Series MP510 960GB NVMe, PSU CORSAIR HX1000i, Cooling Corsair XC8 CPU block, Bykski GPU block, 360mm and 280mm radiator, Displays Odyssey G9, LG 34UC98-W 34-Inch,Keyboard Mountain Everest Max, Mouse Mountain Makalu 67, Sound AT2035, Massdrop 6xx headphones, Go XLR 

Oppbevaring

CPU i9-9900k, Motherboard, ASUS Rog Maximus Code XI, RAM, 48GB Corsair Vengeance LPX 32GB 3200 mhz (2x16)+(2x8) GPUs Asus ROG Strix 2070 8gb, PNY 1080, Nvidia 1080, Case Mining Frame, 2x Storage Samsung 860 Evo 500 GB, PSU Corsair RM1000x and RM850x, Cooling Asus Rog Ryuo 240 with Noctua NF-12 fans

 

Why is the 5800x so hot?

 

 

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1 minute ago, IkeaGnome said:

The one other quirk with AMD and Zen 3. Motherboards may or may not come with a BIOS on it that will support a 5800x out of the box. However, most of the B550 and X570 boards will support "Bios Flashback." All you really need to be aware of here, is that you should have a USB drive with nothing on it except a recent BIOS version from the ASUS site.

https://rog.asus.com/us/motherboards/rog-strix/rog-strix-b550-f-gaming-model/helpdesk_bios

Then you follow these steps.

https://www.asus.com/us/support/FAQ/1038568/

Or if you're a video learner

Do note that all that is in the motherboard is the 24 pin power connector. No ram, no CPU no GPU, no SSD. 

I think this time I will use a service shop. They should do all of this for me for 15 USD. Thank you for these tips!

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4 hours ago, Herkul said:

What do you think of this video?

The 5800X has a single die so it cannot dissipate heat compared to the 5900X that he recommends. The 5900X has two separate dies so this helps.

 

Everyone complains about power consumption and heat but the 10850K is not bad at all. With an AIO, no worries about thermal throttling. Here is one running fully loaded at a steady 4900 MHz on all cores. At a maximum temperature of 70°C, it is not bad at all. It is unlocked so it is easy to bump it up to 5000 MHz all core and it will still be under 80°C in Cinebench.

 

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7 hours ago, unclewebb said:

The 5800X has a single die so it cannot dissipate heat compared to the 5900X that he recommends. The 5900X has two separate dies so this helps.

 

Everyone complains about power consumption and heat but the 10850K is not bad at all. With an AIO, no worries about thermal throttling. Here is one running fully loaded at a steady 4900 MHz on all cores. At a maximum temperature of 70°C, it is not bad at all. It is unlocked so it is easy to bump it up to 5000 MHz all core and it will still be under 80°C in Cinebench.

 

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So you would prepare 10850 k?

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So I built a new system...

 

PCPartPicker Part List
Type Item Price
CPU AMD Ryzen 9 5900X 3.7 GHz 12-Core Processor  
CPU Cooler NZXT Kraken X73 RGB 52.44 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler $219.99 @ Amazon
Motherboard MSI MPG B550 GAMING CARBON WIFI ATX AM4 Motherboard $219.99 @ Adorama
Memory G.Skill Trident Z RGB 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR4-3200 CL16 Memory $199.99 @ Newegg
Storage Samsung 970 Evo 1 TB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive $257.10 @ Amazon
Case Fractal Design Meshify C ATX Mid Tower Case $98.00 @ B&H
Power Supply Corsair TXM Gold 850 W 80+ Gold Certified Semi-modular ATX Power Supply $299.99 @ Amazon
  Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts  
  Total $1295.06
  Generated by PCPartPicker 2021-04-21 03:57 EDT-0400  

What do you think now? What I am missing? I can't add fans because AIO goes in front of the panel..

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if you're using the AIO up front as intake, just make sure to orient your top and rear fans as exhaust. Looks like the Meshify C comes with one fan - you'll want to get 2 more fans for the top for exhaust. 

 

I would personally just toss the included fan, and replace them all with the fans of your choice. 

Before you reply to my post, REFRESH. 99.99% chance I edited my post. 

 

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17 minutes ago, Mister Woof said:

if you're using the AIO up front as intake, just make sure to orient your top and rear fans as exhaust. Looks like the Meshify C comes with one fan - you'll want to get 2 more fans for the top for exhaust. 

 

I would personally just toss the included fan, and replace them all with the fans of your choice. 

Hey Mister Woof! Until I was waiting for your reply I have picked two more versions.

 

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1 minute ago, Herkul said:

Hey Mister Woof! Until I was waiting for your reply I have picked two more versions.

 

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i don't know anything about the deepcool case, but as far as the corsair, i would definitely opt for the airflow models. It's more work to clean, but solid front panel will suffocate your radiator and overall fresh air intake.

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Just now, Mister Woof said:

i don't know anything about the deepcool case, but as far as the corsair, i would definitely opt for the airflow models. It's more work to clean, but solid front panel will suffocate your radiator and overall fresh air intake.

It's hard to get in Lithuania the airflow version, but this one is interesting. It has space for extra coolers and AIO's. https://www.corsair.com/ww/en/Categories/Products/Cases/Mid-Tower-ATX-Cases/5000D-Tempered-Glass-Mid-Tower-ATX-PC-Case/p/CC-9011208-WW

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1 minute ago, Herkul said:

It's hard to get in Lithuania the airflow version, but this one is interesting. It has space for extra coolers and AIO's. https://www.corsair.com/ww/en/Categories/Products/Cases/Mid-Tower-ATX-Cases/5000D-Tempered-Glass-Mid-Tower-ATX-PC-Case/p/CC-9011208-WW

I'd probably go with the original Meshify C option if it were me. Also take a look at the Phanteks P300a/400a/500a

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1 minute ago, Mister Woof said:

I'd probably go with the original Meshify C option if it were me. Also take a look at the Phanteks P300a/400a/500a

Meshify C looks so small IMHO?

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Meshify C looks so small IMHO?

do you have access to phanteks p400a?

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Not pushing specific cases on purpose, it's just all I know of.


Having had experience with closed front panel designs (NZXT S340 looking at you) I would never buy them again, outside of low-powered component situations.

 

I only ever recommend anything with an airflow design now.

 

You can also check out the Cooler Master NR600, which is also quite good but on the lower cost side.

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9 minutes ago, Mister Woof said:

do you have access to phanteks p400a?

I do. It is a quite nice indeed. 🙂

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I personally have the 275r Airflow version, and I like it. If that's the normal 275r with solid front, I'd skip it.

 

But the P400a is also quite nice. 

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2 minutes ago, Mister Woof said:

I personally have the 275r Airflow version, and I like it. If that's the normal 275r with solid front, I'd skip it.

 

But the P400a is also quite nice. 

Oh yeah, I can see it on your banner. 🙂 Did not notice it. How is the quality?

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Oh yeah, I can see it on your banner. 🙂 Did not notice it. How is the quality?

It's high quality, feels pretty solid. I have two of them, got on sale.

 

Also fits huge air coolers if that's your thing.

 

Front panel design is not as good on airflow as the newer 4000D or 5000D airflow, and probably not as good as the Phanteks P400a/500a.


Also a little weirdly designed from a cosmetic stance.

 

But I have no complaints.

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4 minutes ago, Mister Woof said:

It's high quality, feels pretty solid. I have two of them, got on sale.

 

Also fits huge air coolers if that's your thing.

 

Front panel design is not as good on airflow as the newer 4000D or 5000D airflow, and probably not as good as the Phanteks P400a/500a.


Also a little weirdly designed from a cosmetic stance.

 

But I have no complaints.

I would go with CORSAIR 4000D but it states the following:

 

  • Note:Corsair 4000D Airflow ATX Mid Tower Case has a front panel USB 3.2 Gen 2 Type C port that can connect to the MSI MPG X570 GAMING PRO CARBON WIFI ATX AM4 Motherboard USB 3.2 Gen 1 header. A separate USB 3.2 Gen 1 to USB 3.2 Gen 2 header adapter will be required.

So I need to go with a different motherboard or get the adapter.

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29 minutes ago, Herkul said:

I would go with CORSAIR 4000D but it states the following:

 

  • Note:Corsair 4000D Airflow ATX Mid Tower Case has a front panel USB 3.2 Gen 2 Type C port that can connect to the MSI MPG X570 GAMING PRO CARBON WIFI ATX AM4 Motherboard USB 3.2 Gen 1 header. A separate USB 3.2 Gen 1 to USB 3.2 Gen 2 header adapter will be required.

So I need to go with a different motherboard or get the adapter.

I don't know much about those adapters, so yeah definitely do your homework on those if this is a feature you need.

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I updated my list again...

 

What do you guys think?

 

PCPartPicker Part List
Type Item Price
CPU AMD Ryzen 9 5900X 3.7 GHz 12-Core Processor  
CPU Cooler be quiet! Dark Rock Pro 4 50.5 CFM CPU Cooler $79.98 @ Amazon
Motherboard MSI MPG B550 GAMING CARBON WIFI ATX AM4 Motherboard $219.99 @ Adorama
Memory Kingston HyperX Fury 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR4-3200 CL16 Memory $229.97 @ Amazon
Storage Samsung 970 Evo Plus 1 TB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive $164.99 @ Amazon
Case Fractal Design Meshify 2 ATX Mid Tower Case $139.99 @ B&H
Power Supply Gigabyte P GM 850 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply $131.18 @ Amazon
  Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts  
  Total $966.10
  Generated by PCPartPicker 2021-04-22 11:50 EDT-0400  

 

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