beyerdynamic Dt 990 Pro Question

[Waaa]

Can my motherboard onboard sound (realtek alc887) handle the beyerdynamic Dt 990 Pro?

[kelvinhall05]

Would probably sound like shit and/or be super quiet.

[Ahoy Hoy]

47 minutes ago, Waaa said:

Can my motherboard onboard sound (realtek alc887) handle the beyerdynamic Dt 990 Pro?

Realtec make audio chips which convert the digital data from the computer to analogue data but they dont supply the amplifier the motherboard makers do that.

So with the information you have given I can say audio will be produced.

Most modern motherboard have good enough audio components in that most headphones will work fine.

So is you motherboard less then five years old?
Is it a normal motherboard and not some obscure server thing?
Is it not the lowest quality cheapest motherboard available?

If youve answered yes then your probably fine.

Beyerdynamic arent stupid enough to sell headphones which arnt useable for 99% of devices so there headphones are designed to work. 

[rice guru]

1 hour ago, Waaa said:

Can my motherboard onboard sound (realtek alc887) handle the beyerdynamic Dt 990 Pro?

 if it's a  250 ohm 990 then it may be too quite. the bass can sound weak or loose. but upper regions like upper mids and treble aren't exactly hard to drive so those regions will probably be fine especially if you just need footsteps

[Tigerleon]

25 minutes ago, rice guru said:

 if it's a  250 ohm 990 then it may be too quite. the bass can sound weak or loose. but upper regions like upper mids and treble aren't exactly hard to drive so those regions will probably be fine especially if you just need footsteps

Dude, if my ALC1220 sounded like shit then how would that 887 sound like? Your description is absolutely correct. Except for the treble part. The treble sounds muffled and weak and non-detailed without proper amp.

[Tigerleon]

1 hour ago, Waaa said:

Can my motherboard onboard sound (realtek alc887) handle the beyerdynamic Dt 990 Pro?

I would really sincerely recommend the Fidelio X2HR of off amazon for about 130-140€ because they are much easier to drive and IMO sound better for almost anything you throw at them. They also have better comfort (may vary from head shape)

[rice guru]

19 minutes ago, Tigerleon said:

Dude, if my ALC1220 sounded like shit then how would that 887 sound like? Your description is absolutely correct. Except for the treble part. The treble sounds muffled and weak and non-detailed without proper amp.

That's just the dac chip though. Chances are the amp on his board is probably better than your on board. Personally my on board treble wise sounds mostly on aside from the slightly grainy sound.

[Tigerleon]

1 minute ago, rice guru said:

Chances are the amp on his board is probably better than your on board. Personally my on board treble wise sounds mostly on aside from the slightly grainy sound.

Well the amp on mine should be on par and or better than his since I have the special "AMP UP" amp on it. Like, why would it be worse having a mid-tier to higher-tier mobo like I do compared to his older mobo. Either motherboards sure have a really bad QC with amp or you are just overestemating amp from motherboards.

[rice guru]

13 minutes ago, Tigerleon said:

Well the amp on mine should be on par and or better than his since I have the special "AMP UP" amp on it. Like, why would it be worse having a mid-tier to higher-tier mobo like I do compared to his older mobo. Either motherboards sure have a really bad QC with amp or you are just overestemating amp from motherboards.

Maybe. Honestly unless I try your board and his I won't know completely. On my completely average motherboard it sounded mostly fine. And even some cheap dongle dacs it sounded mostly fine. The bass regions sucked and I could get maybe 50-75% of the headphones true potential . But like I said it sounded fine on those for just footsteps. I still would looks elsewhere if I was not interested in buying an amp

[CTR640]

My mobo has Realtek ALC1150 and it can't drive my DT880 for shit. The sound is way too quiet.

[Waaa]

Im thinking about dt 990 80 ohm and cloud orbit s,sennheiser hd 599 im not certain tho

[Psittac]

7 hours ago, Waaa said:

Im thinking about dt 990 80 ohm and cloud orbit s,sennheiser hd 599 im not certain tho

The 599 is a weak 6xx if I remember correctly, my friend got them many many years ago while I was on a 498 or something similar and to that it sounded peaky and bass neutral, granted this was 10+ years ago.  I would say that you should go for a 6xx over the 599 if you plan on an upgrade.  If not stick to a Beyer 80ohm or an X2HR which are both amazing while conducive to onboard.

 

Recommendations all come in the size of your rabbit hole.  If you want can's and nothing else, that's your end game, then go with a pair of beyer 80ohm or X2HR and you will NOT be disappointed.  If you want to make this a hobby go for something like a 6xx or beyer 250ohm.

 

Everything is an experience if your rabbit hole is deep enough, otherwise it's a solution and you should put your money in and go no further.

[rice guru]

1 hour ago, Psittac said:

The 599 is a weak 6xx

Not super exact. The 599 has a similar tuning to the 6xx in the bottom half of the frequency graph. It's sounds warm but is a brighter headphone than a 6xx. It has slightly wider soundstage than a 6xx run on a solid state easier to drive and has better imaging. In fact it uses the same drivers as the 58x. The 58x just sounds better to me for most types of music due to how the 58x is tuned. So if you can buy a 58x for the same price as a 599 I would go for the 58x

 

[Waaa]

14 hours ago, Psittac said:

The 599 is a weak 6xx if I remember correctly, my friend got them many many years ago while I was on a 498 or something similar and to that it sounded peaky and bass neutral, granted this was 10+ years ago.  I would say that you should go for a 6xx over the 599 if you plan on an upgrade.  If not stick to a Beyer 80ohm or an X2HR which are both amazing while conducive to onboard.

 

Recommendations all come in the size of your rabbit hole.  If you want can's and nothing else, that's your end game, then go with a pair of beyer 80ohm or X2HR and you will NOT be disappointed.  If you want to make this a hobby go for something like a 6xx or beyer 250ohm.

 

Everything is an experience if your rabbit hole is deep enough, otherwise it's a solution and you should put your money in and go no further.

Can my realtek alc 887 handle the 80 ohm?

[Ahoy Hoy]

39 minutes ago, Waaa said:

Can my realtek alc 887 handle the 80 ohm?

I SAID THIS AT THE START SECOND COMMENT. ITS JUST A DAC THE MOTHERBOARD DECIDED THE AMP.

TELL US WHAT MOTHERBOARD YOU HAVE!

[Waaa]

1 hour ago, Ahoy Hoy said:

I SAID THIS AT THE START SECOND COMMENT. ITS JUST A DAC THE MOTHERBOARD DECIDED THE AMP.

TELL US WHAT MOTHERBOARD YOU HAVE!

lol calm down buddy didnt even see your message. msi a320m pro-e 

[CTR640]

He made a pretty big reply so hard to not to spot it lol:

 

Your motherboard seems to fairly new but then again, no one can know for sure untill the DT990 80ohm arrived at your door.

And ALC887 is old, really old but maybe I'm mistaken but such headphones prefers a better (external) audio gear.

 

My motherboard is older than 5 years old and it has ALC1150 and it's the MSI Z87-G45-GAMING and yet it can't drive my DT880 for shit.

And I also have the Marshall Mid ANC which is 32ohm and I have to enable audio boost. However, at the time when my 880 arrived at my door, I ordered an external amp just to play safe and it was the right decision as it opened my horrible eyes to enter the world of Audio Force lol

[HenrySalayne]

On 2/27/2021 at 10:10 PM, rice guru said:

the bass can sound weak or loose

Why?

On 2/27/2021 at 10:36 PM, Tigerleon said:

The treble sounds muffled and weak and non-detailed without proper amp.

Why?

High impedance loads should actually perform considerably better than low impedance loads. Amplifiers are generally voltage amplifiers with limited current capabilities. Linearity should improve with high impedance loads.

[Waaa]

16 hours ago, CTR640 said:

He made a pretty big reply so hard to not to spot it lol:

 

Your motherboard seems to fairly new but then again, no one can know for sure untill the DT990 80ohm arrived at your door.

And ALC887 is old, really old but maybe I'm mistaken but such headphones prefers a better (external) audio gear.

 

My motherboard is older than 5 years old and it has ALC1150 and it's the MSI Z87-G45-GAMING and yet it can't drive my DT880 for shit.

And I also have the Marshall Mid ANC which is 32ohm and I have to enable audio boost. However, at the time when my 880 arrived at my door, I ordered an external amp just to play safe and it was the right decision as it opened my horrible eyes to enter the world of Audio Force lol

is it same with dt 770 

80 ohm or 32 

ohm aswell

?

[CTR640]

35 minutes ago, Waaa said:

is it same with dt 770 

80 ohm or 32 

ohm aswell

?

In terms of sound, unlikely.

[Ahoy Hoy]

17 hours ago, Waaa said:

lol calm down buddy didnt even see your message. msi a320m pro-e 

Its a reasonably modern motherboard and will probably work fine with most headphones.
The beyerdynamic headphones are not difficult to use dont know why people think they are because they arnt. Old Iphones can easily run them.

Just buy the headphones they will probably work fine with no extra equipment.
 

[CTR640]

33 minutes ago, Ahoy Hoy said:

Its a reasonably modern motherboard and will probably work fine with most headphones.
The beyerdynamic headphones are not difficult to use dont know why people think they are because they arnt. Old Iphones can easily run them.

Just buy the headphones they will probably work fine with no extra equipment.
 

Both my DT770/880 250ohm are the most difficult to drive, so yes, only the DT7/8/9 are. My Amiron Home is the most efficient with its Tesla drivers 250ohm.

 

He'll only know for sure when it's arrived at his door as it's not guaranteed his modern motherboard will drive it fine.

[Ahoy Hoy]

1 minute ago, CTR640 said:

Both my DT770/880 250ohm are the most difficult to drive, so yes, they are. My Amiron Home is the most efficient with its Tesla drivers 250ohm.

 

He'll only know for sure when it's arrived at his door as it's not guaranteed his modern motherboard will drive it fine.

880 have a sensitivity of 101.07 dB/mW and the 770 have 94.48 dB/mW


(source) So this is the Iphone 6 headphone power output at different impedances.

They didnt test at 250ohms so we will do a worse case scenario and look at the 330ohm results.
At 330ohm the iphone can produce 3mW. So lets work out max volume this old iphone 6 can run the DT770 and 880.

The simple rule for max volume is to increase the volume by 3dB you have to double the power.

At 1mW the 880 at 101dB, we can double once to 104. We cant double again but we can go half way so a increase of 1.5dB. SO the 880 max volume on the iphone six is about 105dB. 
DT770 comes out to 99dB

Now both of those numbers are low because they are 250 ohms not 330 so they would be louder. At 250 ohms the iphone six would be around 4mW so theres another one and a half deciBells


99 and 105 dB is loud thats too loud thats hearing damage loud.


So now please say again that these are hard to run headphones which are so hard that 8 year old phone has so much difficulty that it can run them so loud that you would have hearing damage. Because they arnt hard to run headphones. They are harder compared to the little white in ear thing apple gives out. But they arnt so hard they are impossible. 


Also by the way the Amiron has a lower sensitivity at 97dBmW compared to the DT880 so the DT880 is easier to run then the amiron.





But back on the subject. This Beyerdynamic headphones are harder to run compared to cheap earbuds but like I said Beyerdynamic are not so business stupid they make a headphone which doent work with most devices. IF your device is reasonably modern it will have a amplifier built in capable of running 300ohms at a few milli Watts. Why because thats what the market has settled at for suitable device power. Which means headphone makers design their products to meet that spec so they dont get complaints like my headphones dont work with my phone and device makers put this spec to make sure they dont get complaints like my headphones dont work with you crappy device.
Now there are out liers. Buy a super cheap product they may pinch pennies in the audio components to save money so they wont be able to. Older devices ten years or more (roughly) are more likely to not have good audio components.

Which is why the simple rule is if the device is reasonably modern and decent quality it will work with main stream headphones. (the DT990 etc is main stream)

[CTR640]

46 minutes ago, Ahoy Hoy said:

880 have a sensitivity of 101.07 dB/mW and the 770 have 94.48 dB/mW


(source) So this is the Iphone 6 headphone power output at different impedances.

They didnt test at 250ohms so we will do a worse case scenario and look at the 330ohm results.
At 330ohm the iphone can produce 3mW. So lets work out max volume this old iphone 6 can run the DT770 and 880.

The simple rule for max volume is to increase the volume by 3dB you have to double the power.

At 1mW the 880 at 101dB, we can double once to 104. We cant double again but we can go half way so a increase of 1.5dB. SO the 880 max volume on the iphone six is about 105dB. 
DT770 comes out to 99dB

Now both of those numbers are low because they are 250 ohms not 330 so they would be louder. At 250 ohms the iphone six would be around 4mW so theres another one and a half deciBells


99 and 105 dB is loud thats too loud thats hearing damage loud.


So now please say again that these are hard to run headphones which are so hard that 8 year old phone has so much difficulty that it can run them so loud that you would have hearing damage. Because they arnt hard to run headphones. They are harder compared to the little white in ear thing apple gives out. But they arnt so hard they are impossible. 


Also by the way the Amiron has a lower sensitivity at 97dBmW compared to the DT880 so the DT880 is easier to run then the amiron.





But back on the subject. This Beyerdynamic headphones are harder to run compared to cheap earbuds but like I said Beyerdynamic are not so business stupid they make a headphone which doent work with most devices. IF your device is reasonably modern it will have a amplifier built in capable of running 300ohms at a few milli Watts. Why because thats what the market has settled at for suitable device power. Which means headphone makers design their products to meet that spec so they dont get complaints like my headphones dont work with my phone and device makers put this spec to make sure they dont get complaints like my headphones dont work with you crappy device.
Now there are out liers. Buy a super cheap product they may pinch pennies in the audio components to save money so they wont be able to. Older devices ten years or more (roughly) are more likely to not have good audio components.

Which is why the simple rule is if the device is reasonably modern and decent quality it will work with main stream headphones. (the DT990 etc is main stream)

It indeed depends on the power the device can provide.

My slightly old phone which is the Huawei Mate 20X has a built-in DAC which provides super sound but it can't drive both my DT7/8 and my Amiron Home that I actually own is the most efficient and it doesn't need to have volume bar maxed. My much older portable device, Samsung YP-U3 is easily able to drive my Amiron Home too. My Huawei P Smart Z can drive the DT7/8 250ohms with ease but its sound quality is crap, like really crap lol. But I expected it and it's not like I use my headphones for mobile use. I have the WF XM3 for convenience and Amiron Home for Netflix and both fits my needs perfectly.

 

And Beyerdynamic is indeed not stupid, in fact, they show on the box how many stars it as and also on their product pages. That's why they state the specs for users to buy the right version.

 

Amiron Home being harder to drive than 880, is the 880 250ohm too or other version like the Pro? I can speak from experience the Amiron Home is easier to drive on all my devices, wether be it desktop or portable. The 880 I own is the Black Edition 250ohm.