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Chinese Steam Explained

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Please avoid political discussion and focus on discussing the Steam version itself, report any possible rule violations and don't engage if you think a Community Standards violation has occurred as your reply could be removed if what you're quoting is in violation of the CS.

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There's only one kind of Chinese steam I care about...
 

 

Main System (Byarlant): Ryzen 7 5800X | Asus B550-Creator ProArt | EK 240mm Basic AIO | 16GB G.Skill DDR4 3200MT/s CAS-14 | XFX Speedster SWFT 210 RX 6600 | Samsung 990 PRO 2TB / Samsung 960 PRO 512GB / 4× Crucial MX500 2TB (RAID-0) | Corsair RM750X | Mellanox ConnectX-3 10G NIC | Inateck USB 3.0 Card | Hyte Y60 Case | Dell U3415W Monitor | Keychron K4 Brown (white backlight)

 

Laptop (Narrative): Lenovo Flex 5 81X20005US | Ryzen 5 4500U | 16GB RAM (soldered) | Vega 6 Graphics | SKHynix P31 1TB NVMe SSD | Intel AX200 Wifi (all-around awesome machine)

 

Proxmox Server (Veda): Ryzen 7 3800XT | AsRock Rack X470D4U | Corsair H80i v2 | 64GB Micron DDR4 ECC 3200MT/s | 4x 10TB WD Whites / 4x 14TB Seagate Exos / 2× Samsung PM963a 960GB SSD | Seasonic Prime Fanless 500W | Intel X540-T2 10G NIC | LSI 9207-8i HBA | Fractal Design Node 804 Case (side panels swapped to show off drives) | VMs: TrueNAS Scale; Ubuntu Server (PiHole/PiVPN/NGINX?); Windows 10 Pro; Ubuntu Server (Apache/MySQL)


Media Center/Video Capture (Jesta Cannon): Ryzen 5 1600X | ASRock B450M Pro4 R2.0 | Noctua NH-L12S | 16GB Crucial DDR4 3200MT/s CAS-22 | EVGA GTX750Ti SC | UMIS NVMe SSD 256GB / Seagate 1.5TB HDD | Corsair CX450M | Viewcast Osprey 260e Video Capture | Mellanox ConnectX-2 10G NIC | LG UH12NS30 BD-ROM | Silverstone Sugo SG-11 Case | Sony XR65A80K

 

Camera: Sony ɑ7II w/ Meike Grip | Sony SEL24240 | Samyang 35mm ƒ/2.8 | Sony SEL50F18F | Sony SEL2870 (kit lens) | PNY Elite Perfomance 512GB SDXC card

 

Network:

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                           ┌─────────────── Office/Rack ────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────┐
Google Fiber Webpass ────── UniFi Security Gateway ─── UniFi Switch 8-60W ─┬─ UniFi Switch Flex XG ═╦═ Veda (Proxmox Virtual Switch)
(500Mbps↑/500Mbps↓)                             UniFi CloudKey Gen2 (PoE) ─┴─ Veda (IPMI)           ╠═ Veda-NAS (HW Passthrough NIC)
╔═══════════════════════════════════════════════════════════════════════════════════════════════════╩═ Narrative (Asus USB 2.5G NIC)
║ ┌────── Closet ──────┐   ┌─────────────── Bedroom ──────────────────────────────────────────────────────┐
╚═ UniFi Switch Flex XG ═╤═ UniFi Switch Flex XG ═╦═ Byarlant
   (PoE)                 │                        ╠═ Narrative (Cable Matters USB-PD 2.5G Ethernet Dongle)
                         │                        ╚═ Jesta Cannon*
                         │ ┌─────────────── Media Center ──────────────────────────────────┐
Notes:                   └─ UniFi Switch 8 ─────────┬─ UniFi Access Point nanoHD (PoE)
═══ is Multi-Gigabit                                ├─ Sony Playstation 4 
─── is Gigabit                                      ├─ Pioneer VSX-S520
* = cable passed to Bedroom from Media Center       ├─ Sony XR65A80K (Google TV)
** = cable passed from Media Center to Bedroom      └─ Work Laptop** (Startech USB-PD Dock)

 

Retired/Other:

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Laptop (Rozen-Zulu): Sony VAIO VPCF13WFX | Core i7-740QM | 8GB Patriot DDR3 | GT 425M | Samsung 850EVO 250GB SSD | Blu-ray Drive | Intel 7260 Wifi (lived a good life, retired with honor)

Testbed/Old Desktop (Kshatriya): Xeon X5470 @ 4.0GHz | ZALMAN CNPS9500 | Gigabyte EP45-UD3L | 8GB Nanya DDR2 400MHz | XFX HD6870 DD | OCZ Vertex 3 Max-IOPS 120GB | Corsair CX430M | HooToo USB 3.0 PCIe Card | Osprey 230 Video Capture | NZXT H230 Case

TrueNAS Server (La Vie en Rose): Xeon E3-1241v3 | Supermicro X10SLL-F | Corsair H60 | 32GB Micron DDR3L ECC 1600MHz | 1x Kingston 16GB SSD / Crucial MX500 500GB

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I remember how one of the lines of attack Steam monopoly fanboys used against Epic was that Epic was partially owned by Tencent and thus the Chinese government (Which really does kind of suck). 

 

Now Steam has made an entire sanitized/censored version of their service to comply with Chinese government demands. 

Corps aren't your friends. "Bottleneck calculators" are BS. Only suckers buy based on brand. It's your PC, do what makes you happy.  If your build meets your needs, you don't need anyone else to "rate" it for you. And talking about being part of a "master race" is cringe. Watch this space for further truths people need to hear.

 

Ryzen 7 5800X3D | ASRock X570 PG Velocita | PowerColor Red Devil RX 6900 XT | 4x8GB Crucial Ballistix 3600mt/s CL16

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Add Valve to the list of 100% complacent tech companies with the Chinese government. Gabe Newell is a hypocrite 

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2 minutes ago, BuckGup said:

Add Valve to the list of 100% complacent tech companies with the Chinese government. Gabe Newell is a hypocrite 

but dat $$$$$$$$ tho...

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31 minutes ago, linuxChips2600 said:

but dat $$$$$$$$ tho...

Like he was hurting for cash to begin with.

But as the old saying goes, "Behind every great wealth, is a great crime."

 

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So here's a question for you:

 

Didn't Gabe N. ramp up compatibility for Linux, under Steam, because he was concerned about the direction Windows was going? Something something control

https://www.gamingonlinux.com/articles/microsofts-latest-tactics-show-gabe-newell-of-valve-was-right-to-worry.6745

Seems to me he's being a bit of a hypocrite here....

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58 minutes ago, Middcore said:

I remember how one of the lines of attack Steam monopoly fanboys used against Epic was that Epic was partially owned by Tencent and thus the Chinese government (Which really does kind of suck). 

 

Now Steam has made an entire sanitized/censored version of their service to comply with Chinese government demands. 

While not great, complying with the gov is completely different than sharing profits with them.

edit; and personal data. I assume steam isn't also giving china data too

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42 minutes ago, linuxChips2600 said:

but dat $$$$$$$$ tho...

They'll reach a point in life once no quantity of money can buy genuine feelings and die hated and alone. 

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Just now, wkdpaul said:

please do not discuss politics

The entire video and it's context revolve around the CPP and it's censorship of video games. I'm not sure how you expect to have a conversation about the video and avoid that topic. 

ask me about my homelab

on a personal quest convincing the general public to return to the glory that is 12" laptops.

cheap and easy cable management is my fetish.

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Just now, Skipple said:

The entire video and it's context revolve around the CPP and it's censorship of video games. I'm not sure how you expect to have a conversation about the video and avoid that topic. 

Again, please follow the Community Standards, that means if you have an issue with the rules, contact the admin team.

If you need help with your forum account, please use the Forum Support form !

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Just now, seee the state im in nooow said:

hey wait a second: how is this video going to work on bilibili? o_o

I guess just don't post it, like the other videos with the VPN sponsorship, the subtitle group on bilibili always cuts sponsor part if that is an VPN provider 

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2 hours ago, wkdpaul said:

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Regardless of the video content, please do not discuss politics or moderation.

Lemme guess... people started using emotionally charged words against each other and you had to step in to "put out the fire" so to speak...

Boy can people be volatile sometimes.

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As an ABC myself I honestly wouldn't mind if there was some big tech conspiracy where companies are secretly working for the U.S. government to collect data relevant to the Chinese government (e.g. how words are censored).

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2 hours ago, BuckGup said:

They'll reach a point in life once no quantity of money can buy genuine feelings and die hated and alone. 

But there will never be a shortage of people trying to outdo the Bezos' of the world.

Money brings power, and power...that is the goal. Money is just a means to get there.

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3 minutes ago, Radium_Angel said:

But there will never be a shortage of people trying to outdo the Bezos' of the world.

Money brings power, and power...that is the goal. Money is just a means to get there.

Sure, all I am saying is they will never truly win in the end

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6 minutes ago, linuxChips2600 said:

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Yikes my bad im still working on speaking the truth about a particular organization without saying too much about it lol @wkdpaul

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My apologies
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17 minutes ago, linuxChips2600 said:

*snip*

I know it can be annoying since this video is freely talking about lots of stuff, but things often get emotional and it quickly gets out of control. This makes things harder for the mod team (people often report stuff when it's way past rules violations, and at that point we have to go through multiple pages to remove or redact replies, this kinda breaks the flow of the discussion and can lead to further issues).

 

So better to focus on the video title here (Steam version for the Chinese market), rather than the CCP control, or even the human rights issues.

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25 minutes ago, wkdpaul said:

rather than the CCP control

Would mentioning a particular amount of money in relation to the censorship process (i.e. ____ cent-ers) be considered in this category?

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This is a good video with an interesting showcase: my friend in Shanghai has been telling me about getting steam.

 

What Linus thought of as excessive personal data collection on valve's end is likely to do with China's real name verification. In china you can't use any major tech software without it and it's easy to guess why. Foreigners trying to sign up for WeChat currently understand this the most: the Google play version of the app seems to point blank refuse any foreign number. 

 

The lack of community tools is interesting. I assume valve didn't want to get in the grey area of automatically removing "wrong" messages etc.

 

 

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