in HWinfo64, what is ''cpu package'' and why is it much higher temp than any individual cpu core?

[superfantastic]

thats all

[WhitetailAni]

The CPU package is, I think, the temperature of the IHS, or what the CPU cooler reads. I base the rest of my theory off of this.

As this is heat from multiple cores, the package temp would be higher than an individual core temp.

That's my guess.

[IkeaGnome]

I would add to this, but I think the guy who wrote it said it pretty well ahaha.

"Core Max or CPU Package are the most important temperatures sourced from the CPU die. CPU Package is a 256 ms average of the hottest temperature among all sensors in CPU.
The CPU temperature under "ASUS..." sensor is the external (socket) CPU value.'

https://www.hwinfo.com/forum/threads/need-some-cpu-temp-info-and-explanations-please.1961/#:~:text=HWiNFO Author&text=Core Max or CPU Package,among all sensors in CPU.

[superfantastic]

so the core package is the only temp that matters? Why did they even bother with all the other temps then? And Why in fucks name is that so sky fucking high? 85C g fucking g

[IkeaGnome]

2 minutes ago, superfantastic said:

so the core package is the only temp that matters? Why did they even bother with all the other temps then? And Why in fucks name is that so sky fucking high? 85C g fucking g

There's little nuances that could be helped by having more information.

What CPU and cooler? 85 isn't that bad depending on what it is. Here's my 5800x in average game load...

 

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[superfantastic]

7 minutes ago, Voluspa said:

I would add to this, but I think the guy who wrote it said it pretty well ahaha.

"Core Max or CPU Package are the most important temperatures sourced from the CPU die. CPU Package is a 256 ms average of the hottest temperature among all sensors in CPU.
The CPU temperature under "ASUS..." sensor is the external (socket) CPU value.'

https://www.hwinfo.com/forum/threads/need-some-cpu-temp-info-and-explanations-please.1961/#:~:text=HWiNFO Author&text=Core Max or CPU Package,among all sensors in CPU.

I think thats bullshit tbh, its a post from 2015 it might have changed. He says its an average, but thats just wrong. Its by far the highest nothing else is above 80C ever

[IkeaGnome]

1 minute ago, superfantastic said:

I think thats bullshit tbh, its a post from 2015 it might have changed. He says its an average, but thats just wrong. Its by far the highest nothing else is above 80C ever

https://www.hwinfo.com/forum/threads/cpu-temp-sensors-explanation.5597/

Still valid in 2019. With a better explanation of all the values.

[superfantastic]

Just now, Voluspa said:

There's little nuances that could be helped by having more information.

What CPU and cooler? 85 isn't that bad depending on what it is. Here's my 5800x in average game load...

 

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No other program shows temps even close to 80.  GPU Z, HWMonitor, 3dmark. All well below 80c. I just got a new cooler, a water cooler. Installed by competent people. They stress tested the cpu for over an hour before handing it back to me, highest temp was 80C after 1 hour of insane max 100% on all cores load.

[superfantastic]

2 minutes ago, Voluspa said:

https://www.hwinfo.com/forum/threads/cpu-temp-sensors-explanation.5597/

Still valid in 2019. With a better explanation of all the values.

btw your temps are disgustingly high

[IkeaGnome]

1 minute ago, superfantastic said:

btw your temps are disgustingly high

They're just fine. It's the limitation of high end hardware in an ITX case. GPU is a little high, but no throttling, and nothing will get fried at those temps. 

Different monitoring programs will interpret the 1's and 0's slightly differently. It's not uncommon for one program to say 81c while another says 75c

You never did clarify what CPU you are using. 

[superfantastic]

1 minute ago, Voluspa said:

They're just fine. It's the limitation of high end hardware in an ITX case. GPU is a little high, but no throttling, and nothing will get fried at those temps. 

Different monitoring programs will interpret the 1's and 0's slightly differently. It's not uncommon for one program to say 81c while another says 75c

You never did clarify what CPU you are using. 

i7 9800x and I have a new water cooler that shows lower temps than my old air cooler across the board on every software even HWinfo, except ''cpu package''

[IkeaGnome]

Just now, superfantastic said:

i7 9800x and I have a new water cooler that shows lower temps than my old air cooler across the board on every software even HWinfo, except ''cpu package''

How different are the temperatures in HWinfo and on the water cooler?

 

[superfantastic]

1 minute ago, Voluspa said:

How different are the temperatures in HWinfo and on the water cooler?

 

I dont know what you mean. There is no temp on the water cooler. there are temperature reading in HWinfo, HWmonitor,  GPU-Z, and 3dmark

[Middcore]

9 minutes ago, superfantastic said:

btw your temps are disgustingly high

You're kinda talking shit for someone who has others install their hardware for them.

[IkeaGnome]

3 minutes ago, superfantastic said:

i7 9800x and I have a new water cooler that shows lower temps than my old air cooler across the board on every software even HWinfo, except ''cpu package''

 

Just now, superfantastic said:

I dont know what you mean. There is no temp on the water cooler. there are temperature reading in HWinfo, HWmonitor,  GPU-Z, and 3dmark

You threw me off when you said the water cooler shows lower temps. I can't find HWmonitors margin of error on temps. OR GPU-Z. How different are the temperatures they're saying from HWinfo?

 

[superfantastic]

Just now, Middcore said:

You're kinda talking shit for someone who has others install their hardware for them.

Dont worry I installed everything  besides the water cooler and psu  myself. Broke as fuck, didn't want to mess it up. rip one part, rip my entire rig for at least 3 months as it stands. Also his temps are disgustingly high

[superfantastic]

1 minute ago, Voluspa said:

 

You threw me off when you said the water cooler shows lower temps. I can't find HWmonitors margin of error on temps. OR GPU-Z. How different are the temperatures they're saying from HWinfo?

 

each program seems to use a different naming scheme so its hard to tell. Though, gpu z only  shows one value which is currently 5C lower than ''cpu package''

 

Should have added this screenshot a while back. I didn't even notice, there are TWO ''cpu package'' readings. I was tunnelvisioned on the high one. Honestly I dont know what many of these mean. VR VCCIN? MOS? Need to google the  shit out of this

[IkeaGnome]

1 minute ago, superfantastic said:

each program seems to use a different naming scheme so its hard to tell. Though, gpu z only  shows one value which is currently 5C lower than ''cpu package''

 

Should have added this screenshot a while back. I didn't even notice, there are TWO ''cpu package'' readings. I was tunnelvisioned on the high one. Honestly I dont know what many of these mean. VR VCCIN? MOS? Need to google the  shit out of this

I would spend some time reading. For reference, the reason I was getting into margin of error. Let's say HWinfo is saying your CPU Package is 32C here. They have a +/- 5C margin of error on Skylake CPUs over the entire range. Let's say at under 50C, HWMonitor has a 8 or 9 C margin of error, but saying 42C, The temp could actually be within both monitor's margin of error. 27-37C and 34-50C

 

https://www.hwinfo.com/forum/threads/cpu-core-temperature-measuring-facts-fictions.148/

[superfantastic]

2 minutes ago, Voluspa said:

I would spend some time reading. For reference, the reason I was getting into margin of error. Let's say HWinfo is saying your CPU Package is 32C here. They have a +/- 5C margin of error on Skylake CPUs over the entire range. Let's say at under 50C, HWMonitor has a 8 or 9 C margin of error, but saying 42C, The temp could actually be within both monitor's margin of error. 27-37C and 34-50C

 

https://www.hwinfo.com/forum/threads/cpu-core-temperature-measuring-facts-fictions.148/

right, thats crazy. I didn't know temp readings were so inaccurate.

 

I bought the water cooler for obvious reasons, I wanted lower temperatures. Especially since I am going to upgrade my gpu (when they're in stock if ever) which is currently the bottleneck  in my system. I was thinking the cpu could get even warmer with a new gpu, especially on 1080p since it will have to work harder. I am dissapointed with the results, I was hoping for a drop of at least 10C but it's only about 5C at best. 

[IkeaGnome]

2 minutes ago, superfantastic said:

right, thats crazy. I didn't know temp readings were so inaccurate.

 

I bought the water cooler for obvious reasons, I wanted lower temperatures. Especially since I am going to upgrade my gpu (when they're in stock if ever) which is currently the bottleneck  in my system. I was thinking the cpu could get even warmer with a new gpu, especially on 1080p since it will have to work harder. I am dissapointed with the results, I was hoping for a drop of at least 10C but it's only about 5C at best. 

Different brands, AMD and Intel, will report temps slightly differently. Different architectures by each brand can report temps differently. Think of those programs as a one size fits all coat. Yeah it works for you and me, but it'll fit differently in both cases.

AIOs and water cooling don't help all that much except in extreme cases. In a lot of cases a NH-D15 or similar will do just as well for a lot less. Full custom water cooling is more of a hobby inside a hobby.

[superfantastic]

1 minute ago, Voluspa said:

Different brands, AMD and Intel, will report temps slightly differently. Different architectures by each brand can report temps differently. Think of those programs as a one size fits all coat. Yeah it works for you and me, but it'll fit differently in both cases.

AIOs and water cooling don't help all that much except in extreme cases. In a lot of cases a NH-D15 or similar will do just as well for a lot less. Full custom water cooling is more of a hobby inside a hobby.

Yeah, oh well.. Live and learn. Upgrading from an i5 7640x to an i7 9800x was a mistake already. Yes its better, both in single and multicore. But I only went this route because getting a new motherboard with a  new cpu if I went with the mainstream cpu's would be too expensive and too scary to replace.

 

I think after getting a new gpu, I will just start saving up and buy a completely new system with only the most mainstream parts after a few years.

[IkeaGnome]

Just now, superfantastic said:

Yeah, oh well.. Live and learn. Upgrading from an i5 7640x to an i7 9800x was a mistake already. Yes its better, both in single and multicore. But I only went this route because getting a new motherboard with a  new cpu if I went with the mainstream cpu's would be too expensive and too scary to replace.

 

I think after getting a new gpu, I will just start saving up and buy a completely new system with only the most mainstream parts after a few years.

Out of curiosity, what are you doing that is maxing out a 9800x?

[superfantastic]

Just now, Voluspa said:

Out of curiosity, what are you doing that is maxing out a 9800x?

I dont think its ever maxed out unless I do a stress test. I only game and my gtx 1070 is too weak to make my cpu sweat. Load is almost always below 50%. And yet the temps are this high