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Is My RAM Samsung B-Die? If Not, Worth Exchanging?

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After finally scoring an AMD 5600X CPU, I was told/hear Samsung B-Die RAM is the best for Ryzen and Hynix is the worst. So I bought a 8GBx2 G.Skill Trident Z Neo RGB memory kit from MicroCenter for $115 under the assumption it was Samsung B-Die.

 

The exact model of my G.Skill Trident Z Neo RGB memory is F4-3600C16D-16GTZNC.

 

According to https://benzhaomin.github.io/bdiefinder/ F4-3600C16D-16GTZN is Samsung B-Die, but my memory model has an extra C at the end.

 

My BIOS says it's Hynix so I'm guessing I don't have Samsung B-Die memory. See attached images.

 

I can still return/exchange it within 14 days. I really only game on my system Is it worth doing so because it seems like there's a pretty big ($60) cost difference to get the same style with Samsung B-Die?

 

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The only reason people love samsung b die is because it scales with voltage very well for overclocking. I don't know why you thought this kit was a samsung b die bin as 3600 16 can literally be anything in the world. If you're not overclocking samsung  b die is a waste of money if you're just gonna xmp and forget. I don't know why you would spend 200 dollars on ram when this would do just fine so just keep it if you don't want to overclock however if you do wanna overclock this kit is a great b die bin for an affordable price. https://pcpartpicker.com/product/vVVD4D/patriot-viper-steel-16-gb-2-x-8-gb-ddr4-4400-memory-pvs416g440c9k

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It's probably Hynix CJR which would be at the bottom of desirable memory for overclocking. 

Might be better off with Micron Rev.E or Samsung B-Dies. 

 

In this forum, you can search the memory part number to see conversations.

More issues than not I think with this particular kit of memory concerning the "C" at the end...

https://linustechtips.com/search/?q=F4-3600C16D-16GTZNC&quick=1

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35 minutes ago, CommandoPants said:

 Samsung B-Die RAM is the best for Ryzen and Hynix is the worst.

Only for manual tuning. If you're not going to touch up memory frequencies and timings yourself the chase for Samsung B-die is only going to break the bank. Wont be any faster.

 

35 minutes ago, CommandoPants said:

According to https://benzhaomin.github.io/bdiefinder/ F4-3600C16D-16GTZN is Samsung B-Die, but my memory model has an extra C at the end.

 

My BIOS says it's Hynix so I'm guessing I don't have Samsung B-Die memory. See attached images.

Maybe not Hynix since it says Hynix only based on the SPD profile, which is often kept the same regardless of what exact die is on it. As long as the timings work, the XMP profile stays as is. It's definitely not Samsung B-die however, that does tighter timings.

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1 minute ago, Jurrunio said:

Maybe not Hynix since it says Hynix only based on the SPD profile, which is often kept the same regardless of what exact die is on it. As long as the timings work, the XMP profile stays as is. It's definitely not Samsung B-die however, that does tighter timings.

Is there a way to tell if it is at least the apparently better Micron Rev.E die according to @ShrimpBrime?

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7 minutes ago, CommandoPants said:

Is there a way to tell if it is at least the apparently better Micron Rev.E die according to @ShrimpBrime?

@ShrimpBrime Is probably talking about max memory frequency attempts. Micron Rev.E (the C9xxx ones) are very good at high frequencies but even worse than Hynix CJR and DJR for timings at frequencies you would want to match with Ryzen (so on or below 4000MHz). It's possible though as long as it can pass what the kit is rated for (3600MHz 16-19-19-39 1.35V)

CPU: i7-2600K 4751MHz 1.44V (software) --> 1.47V at the back of the socket Motherboard: Asrock Z77 Extreme4 (BCLK: 103.3MHz) CPU Cooler: Noctua NH-D15 RAM: Adata XPG 2x8GB DDR3 (XMP: 2133MHz 10-11-11-30 CR2, custom: 2203MHz 10-11-10-26 CR1 tRFC:230 tREFI:14000) GPU: Asus GTX 1070 Dual (Super Jetstream vbios, +70(2025-2088MHz)/+400(8.8Gbps)) SSD: Samsung 840 Pro 256GB (main boot drive), Transcend SSD370 128GB PSU: Seasonic X-660 80+ Gold Case: Antec P110 Silent, 5 intakes 1 exhaust Monitor: AOC G2460PF 1080p 144Hz (150Hz max w/ DP, 121Hz max w/ HDMI) TN panel Keyboard: Logitech G610 Orion (Cherry MX Blue) with SteelSeries Apex M260 keycaps Mouse: BenQ Zowie FK1

 

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3 minutes ago, Jurrunio said:

you would want to match with Ryzen (so on or below 4000MHz). It's possible though as long as it can pass what the kit is rated for (3600MHz 16-19-19-39 1.35V)

@JurrunioSo I guess what I'm really looking to do with my RAM is keep it at 3600MHZ just like the XMP profile does automatically, but I did want to play with timings and whatnot based on that one Ryzen DRAM calculator I've seen floating around. I haven't messed with modifying memory before and I didn't know if that was considered "overclocking" and I do want to learn about this and give it a go.

 

So are you saying it would be better/good enough to do that with the Hynix die that I have in my memory kit?

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2 minutes ago, CommandoPants said:

So are you saying it would be better/good enough to do that with the Hynix die that I have in my memory kit?

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Desktop benching:

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34 minutes ago, CommandoPants said:

@JurrunioSo I guess what I'm really looking to do with my RAM is keep it at 3600MHZ just like the XMP profile does automatically, but I did want to play with timings and whatnot based on that one Ryzen DRAM calculator I've seen floating around. I haven't messed with modifying memory before and I didn't know if that was considered "overclocking" and I do want to learn about this and give it a go.

 

So are you saying it would be better/good enough to do that with the Hynix die that I have in my memory kit?

 

You can still play with the timings, but probably won't get as tight compared to Samsung B-Die kit.

Samsung B-Die kits (like top %) can do DDR4-3600+ with CL14 timings, which is pretty insane.

 

For an example, with my B-Die DDR4-3000 CL14 kits, I can overclock 4x 8GB sticks to DDR4-3600 with CL15 timings.

That said, I'm dialing in...probably... 75% of the timings manually.

Primary, secondary, and tertiary timings, etc.

 

I used this guide as reference...

 

https://github.com/integralfx/MemTestHelper/blob/master/DDR4 OC Guide.md

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33 minutes ago, -rascal- said:

You can still play with the timings, but probably won't get as tight compared to Samsung B-Die kit.

Samsung B-Die kits (like top %) can do DDR4-3600+ with CL14 timings, which is pretty insane.

@-rascal-Pretending I could achieve that, how much of a difference would it make in my games? Are we talking general gains of 1-2fps or 20-30fps more?

 

I'm running an AMD 5600X and when I can finally get my hands on a new GPU, I'll be upgrading my current GTX 970 to a 6800 XT or RTX 3070 most likely.

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