now that 5600x cost as much as r7 1700, 7700k at launch

[SAVE-12-HK]

i feel like 2 cores are stolen

even most program dont use 12 threads anywhere near optimised in near future (say 3~5 years?), 

 

i just feel like amd abandon the user supported it all the way

[WereCat]

what? 

[Jurrunio]

Why does it matter, 5600x is much faster than both. Dont be that idiot who just bitch about core counts, otherwise go buy an ARM device.

[WhitetailAni]

The Ryzen 5 5600X is better than the Core i9-10900K 60-70% of the time.

[Zando_]

They're providing a competitive product at a similar price point, I fail to see where the issue is. If you genuinely support AMD but want them to nerf themselves by undervaluing their chips then I question your support. 

[IkeaGnome]

Even if you take into historical prices. r7 1700. $329 at release. 14,618 points on PassMark average. 44.3 points per $1.

i7-7700k $305. 9721 average points on PassMark. 31.8 points per $1.

R5 5600x. $299. SO FAR Average of 22,341 points on Passmark. 74.7 points per $1....

 

Yes. They totally abandoned users.

[SAVE-12-HK]

9 minutes ago, Zando Bob said:

They're providing a competitive product at a similar price point, I

every winner have raised the base price from last product, apple, nvidia, intel and now amd

[Lurick]

1 minute ago, SAVE-12-HK said:

every winner have raised the base price from last product, apple, nvidia, intel and now amd

Yah, how DARE someone make a better product and pour billions of R&D into it and raise the end price by a few bucks!!!! The monsters!!!!

[IkeaGnome]

6 minutes ago, SAVE-12-HK said:

every winner have raised the base price from last product, apple, nvidia, intel and now amd

 

3 minutes ago, Lurick said:

Yah, how DARE someone make a better product and pour billions of R&D into it and raise the end price by a few bucks!!!! The monsters!!!!

Beat me to it. R&D is NOT free. Realistically, AMD probably COULD have asked a little more for their line up but didn't. Maybe not knowing what Intel is about to put out. Raise enough to cover R&D costs, but not so much that when Intel comes out they lose out on price for performance is smart on their end.

[xg32]

32 minutes ago, SAVE-12-HK said:

i feel like 2 cores are stolen

even most program dont use 12 threads anywhere near optimised in near future (say 3~5 years?), 

 

i just feel like amd abandon the user supported it all the way

amd's in prime position to charge premiums, the 5600x is 300usd, the 8700k on launch was 375usd, didn't even bother launching new boards (i wish they had actually), if they decide to flex on users it surely wasn't this gen, not to say they won't in the future if they were in the position to do so, they are a publicly traded company

 

The 5950x and has the same $/core as the 5600x despite being the flagship cpu, they coulda charged 1k and people woulda paid, yet they didn't

[Wheresmehammer]

8 minutes ago, SAVE-12-HK said:

every winner have raised the base price from last product, apple, nvidia, intel and now amd

Get a job.

[Jurrunio]

9 minutes ago, SAVE-12-HK said:

every winner have raised the base price from last product, apple, nvidia, intel and now amd

Welcome to capitalism

[Zando_]

22 minutes ago, SAVE-12-HK said:

every winner have raised the base price from last product, apple, nvidia, intel and now amd

Pretty much what @Lurick said. Paying themselves back for the insane amounts of R&D work they did to get to this point is not wrong. Also, they're a company, and if they can raise the price and still offer a competitive product, they will. No matter how much marketing lingo they may throw around, Lisa Su isn't your bestie and she isn't gonna slide you a sweet deal under the table. 

also people use CPUs for years and averaged out over those years, $50 is barely anything for anyone who could afford a CPU in that price range in the first place. 

[Sophia_Borjia]

AMD is still in deal category. Comparing to i-7 8700k is pretty accurate.  5950x is lower launch then hedt level it is.  It is beating intels current hedt, that if amd wasn't competing would be $2000 chips.

 

Intel could be back at top in 2022-2023 with few node shrinks and new architecture.  If intel manages to keep repeating 10nm type delays on other nodes, AMD and intel could just flip places they were at pre-ryzen.