RX 570/580 vs GTX 1650S: Best GPU to pair with an i5-3470?

[LukeIsLoveLukeIsLife]

Hey there! My low end system consists of an i5-3470, 12gb (8gb + 4gb sticks at 1333mhz), and a GTX 1050 2GB (which I plan to sell along with my GT 1030)

 

I tried playing Control and Little Hope and got sub 60fps even on the lowest settings. I was thinking of getting the 1650S but it might end up getting bottlenecked by the CPU, so I'm thinking of going for an RX 570/580. What do you recommend?

[Prodigy_Smit]

7 minutes ago, LukeIsLoveLukeIsLife said:

RX 570/580

Umm considering the rest of your specs I dont think your PSU would be able to handle those cards.

Which PSU do you have?

[wolfff]

21 minutes ago, LukeIsLoveLukeIsLife said:

Hey there! My low end system consists of an i5-3470, 12gb (8gb + 4gb sticks at 1333mhz), and a GTX 1050 2GB (which I plan to sell along with my GT 1030)

 

I tried playing Control and Little Hope and got sub 60fps even on the lowest settings. I was thinking of getting the 1650S but it might end up getting bottlenecked by the CPU, so I'm thinking of going for an RX 570/580. What do you recommend?

rx 570 will be a pretty okay gpu for running games on medium and getting more than enough fps

[LukeIsLoveLukeIsLife]

30 minutes ago, Smit Devrukhkar said:

Umm considering the rest of your specs I dont think your PSU would be able to handle those cards.

Which PSU do you have?

I have a SilverStone Strider 500w.

[LukeIsLoveLukeIsLife]

17 minutes ago, wolfff said:

rx 570 will be a pretty okay gpu for running games on medium and getting more than enough fps

May I ask if it would be better than the 580. What are your thoughts about the 1650 Super?

[Prodigy_Smit]

3 minutes ago, LukeIsLoveLukeIsLife said:

I have a SilverStone Strider 500w.

There are alot of SilverStone Strider's 

Silverstone | Strider Gold Evolution - Strider Essential ET-B / F-ES / F-ES230 / F-ESB - Strider

Silverstone | Strider Bronze ST-SF / Gold ST-SF-G

 

So which one is yours exactly?

[LOST TALE]

25 minutes ago, LukeIsLoveLukeIsLife said:

I have a SilverStone Strider 500w.

that's good. I would not worry about it.

 

RX 580 because of 8GB Vram. 1650 Super will have Vram problems in some use cases already. The 570 has better value.

 

Check your current gpu's G3D mark https://www.videocardbenchmark.net/gpu_value.html and then you can just see the % higher performance you will get.

If you hit 60fps, you can increase settings till you have say 30fps, then with double G3D mark of the new gpu you will have 60 fps again.

 

If you will upgrade soon, or accept the vram problems, the 1660S does have the higher performance.

For reference, playing NFS:Payback at 4k always uses more than 9GB, so gl.

 

The longer you plan to hold the GPU, the more Vram you will need. Once you hit VRAM limits, you will start to get stutters. For exmaple I use to have a gtx 670 at 2GB, I held it for 6 years until it died. I would restart Far cry 5 every 2 hours to clear the Vram. Have fun lol

[iM8Pizza]

1 hour ago, LukeIsLoveLukeIsLife said:

Hey there! My low end system consists of an i5-3470, 12gb (8gb + 4gb sticks at 1333mhz), and a GTX 1050 2GB (which I plan to sell along with my GT 1030)

 

I tried playing Control and Little Hope and got sub 60fps even on the lowest settings. I was thinking of getting the 1650S but it might end up getting bottlenecked by the CPU, so I'm thinking of going for an RX 570/580. What do you recommend?

I don't think it will be bottlenecked, depends on what resolution you're playing at and at what quality, I'd suggest you read this one on that matter https://linustechtips.com/main/topic/1256335-i7-477k-42ghz-sapphire-rx5700xt-pulse-bottleneck/?do=findComment&comment=14106232

 

As for performance, if I recall correctly, they the 1650 Super trade blows with the RX580 with a lower power draw albeit with a $10-$20 price premium (I should emphasize, that price is different from market to market, so check yours, that one is taken from the video) but it's up to personal preference if power draw matters for you or not. Refer to this video for mofe info https://youtu.be/l1zgAJK4TO0

[jeanluckpiccard]

A RX 570/580 would be fine but you'd probably be near the limit of your CPU. I'd go for a 580, unless you're strapped for cash though.

[LOST TALE]

As jeanluckpiccard pointed out, if your cpu is at 100%, upgrading the gpu will not increase fps. You can still use the extra performance for reduced latency, higher details/res.

 

However that is unlikely unless you saw it. Only game I saw maxing my i5 2310 was bf1 (bf5 maybe)

[LukeIsLoveLukeIsLife]

6 hours ago, Smit Devrukhkar said:

There are alot of SilverStone Strider's 

Silverstone | Strider Gold Evolution - Strider Essential ET-B / F-ES / F-ES230 / F-ESB - Strider

Silverstone | Strider Bronze ST-SF / Gold ST-SF-G

 

So which one is yours exactly?

Silverstone Strider Essential 500w sst-st50ef-es

[LukeIsLoveLukeIsLife]

6 hours ago, LOST TALE said:

that's good. I would not worry about it.

 

RX 580 because of 8GB Vram. 1650 Super will have Vram problems in some use cases already. The 570 has better value.

 

Check your current gpu's G3D mark https://www.videocardbenchmark.net/gpu_value.html and then you can just see the % higher performance you will get.

If you hit 60fps, you can increase settings till you have say 30fps, then with double G3D mark of the new gpu you will have 60 fps again.

 

If you will upgrade soon, or accept the vram problems, the 1660S does have the higher performance.

For reference, playing NFS:Payback at 4k always uses more than 9GB, so gl.

 

The longer you plan to hold the GPU, the more Vram you will need. Once you hit VRAM limits, you will start to get stutters. For exmaple I use to have a gtx 670 at 2GB, I held it for 6 years until it died. I would restart Far cry 5 every 2 hours to clear the Vram. Have fun lol

Noted! Will do this tomorrow and reply back here!

[LukeIsLoveLukeIsLife]

6 hours ago, iM8Pizza said:

I don't think it will be bottlenecked, depends on what resolution you're playing at and at what quality, I'd suggest you read this one on that matter https://linustechtips.com/main/topic/1256335-i7-477k-42ghz-sapphire-rx5700xt-pulse-bottleneck/?do=findComment&comment=14106232

 

As for performance, if I recall correctly, they the 1650 Super trade blows with the RX580 with a lower power draw albeit with a $10-$20 price premium (I should emphasize, that price is different from market to market, so check yours, that one is taken from the video) but it's up to personal preference if power draw matters for you or not. Refer to this video for mofe info https://youtu.be/l1zgAJK4TO0

In some light games like DOTA 2 and Valorant the cpu is having trouble so I'm nit expecting much from it. I'll check it out on Afterburner and post a reply tomorrow!

[LukeIsLoveLukeIsLife]

5 hours ago, jeanluckpiccard said:

A RX 570/580 would be fine but you'd probably be near the limit of your CPU. I'd go for a 580, unless you're strapped for cash though.

 

5 hours ago, jeanluckpiccard said:

A RX 570/580 would be fine but you'd probably be near the limit of your CPU. I'd go for a 580, unless you're strapped for cash though.

Noted! Thanks for the input!

[LukeIsLoveLukeIsLife]

3 hours ago, LOST TALE said:

As jeanluckpiccard pointed out, if your cpu is at 100%, upgrading the gpu will not increase fps. You can still use the extra performance for reduced latency, higher details/res.

 

However that is unlikely unless you saw it. Only game I saw maxing my i5 2310 was bf1 (bf5 maybe)

I'll try to put some stats from afterburner and post it here!

[jeanluckpiccard]

48 minutes ago, LukeIsLoveLukeIsLife said:

I'll try to put some stats from afterburner and post it here!

Sounds good. You could get a higher end GPU if you plan on upgrading in the near future, but if your CPU is maxed out, I'm afraid a higher end GPU won't improve your frame rates. Your CPU 'feeds' the data to your GPU to process, so that would be your limit.

[HardStroke]

playing on 1080P?

try looking for a 2nd hand 980, 980 TI, 1060 6GB

980 TI will be a bit bottlenecked but if you get a good deal its worth it

but idk about that psu with a 980 TI, you'll probably have to switch it for a new one

if youre playing on 4k you can even get a 2080

the bottleneck will be small at 4K

still there, but small

[Action_Johnson]

I have a 1650 Super on my i7 3770 system and it's OK. 

 

Runs Titanfall 2 pretty good at 1440

[LukeIsLoveLukeIsLife]

3 hours ago, Action_Johnson said:

I have a 1650 Super on my i7 3770 system and it's OK. 

 

Runs Titanfall 2 pretty good at 1440

Should I consider getting an i7-3770k? 

[bsizza]

51 minutes ago, LukeIsLoveLukeIsLife said:

Should I consider getting an i7-3770k? 

Don't. There is only a very minor difference. I am still still running a 3770 non k (had  3470 before) paired with 2060 (1060 before) and I am severely CPU bottlenecked. Just get a 5600X or the Intel equivalent, it is time to move on. ;) If you really cannot afford a platform change, something in the neighborhood of 570/580 or 1060/1650s is fine.

[LukeIsLoveLukeIsLife]

17 minutes ago, bsizza said:

Don't. There is only a very minor difference. I am still still running a 3770 non k (had  3470 before) paired with 2060 (1060 before) and I am severely CPU bottlenecked. Just get a 5600X or the Intel equivalent, it is time to move on. ;) If you really cannot afford a platform change, something in the neighborhood of 570/580 or 1060/1650s is fine.

Well, for now, me and my brother are sharing the PC. I've saved enough to buy a new PC this Christmas (R5 3600 with 1660Super bcs of budget), so I wanted to give this to my brother but not leave it like it is, he plays a lot of games too. 

 

Btw, should I consider getting a used rx 580? I heard they (and the 570) were used extensively for mining, but the new 580s still cost $200 here and the used ones sell for half.

[bsizza]

53 minutes ago, LukeIsLoveLukeIsLife said:

Well, for now, me and my brother are sharing the PC. I've saved enough to buy a new PC this Christmas (R5 3600 with 1660Super bcs of budget), so I wanted to give this to my brother but not leave it like it is, he plays a lot of games too. 

 

Btw, should I consider getting a used rx 580? I heard they (and the 570) were used extensively for mining, but the new 580s still cost $200 here and the used ones sell for half.

Used 580 seems to be a good idea for an aging system like this. If you do not like the risk involved with used hardware go for 5500xt or 1650s.

[LukeIsLoveLukeIsLife]

14 hours ago, jeanluckpiccard said:

Sounds good. You could get a higher end GPU if you plan on upgrading in the near future, but if your CPU is maxed out, I'm afraid a higher end GPU won't improve your frame rates. Your CPU 'feeds' the data to your GPU to process, so that would be your limit.

In most of the heavy games (Control and Little Hope) I've played, the CPU usage would be from 50% - 60%. Would the 580 fit this fine?

[Action_Johnson]

9 hours ago, LukeIsLoveLukeIsLife said:

Should I consider getting an i7-3770k? 

No. It's nearly a decade old at this point, a $90 Ryzen 3 3100 would destroy it in games. 

[LukeIsLoveLukeIsLife]

On 11/7/2020 at 5:02 AM, jeanluckpiccard said:

Sounds good. You could get a higher end GPU if you plan on upgrading in the near future, but if your CPU is maxed out, I'm afraid a higher end GPU won't improve your frame rates. Your CPU 'feeds' the data to your GPU to process, so that would be your limit.

Here's a sample pic of Apex Legends at 1080p on lowest. Would it matter if I upgrade to an RX 570 if both the CPU and GPU are maxing out?