Cablemod WTF?

[CableMod]

@jasonc_01 sorry about that, we try to do the splices 150mm away from the PSU end for the best performance, we can remake these for you though and put the splices closer to the PSU end if you send us an email to Support@CableMod.com - it will be a little less clean with your PSU as the RMi/RMx/SF units have additional sense wires on the 24-pin ATX (you'll notice the PSU end has a 28-pin connector setup). We will do a free remake though for you of course to get this closer to the PSU end as mentioned though.

[jasonc_01]

38 minutes ago, CableMod said:

@jasonc_01 sorry about that, we try to do the splices 150mm away from the PSU end for the best performance, we can remake these for you though and put the splices closer to the PSU end if you send us an email to Support@CableMod.com - it will be a little less clean with your PSU as the RMi/RMx/SF units have additional sense wires on the 24-pin ATX (you'll notice the PSU end has a 28-pin connector setup). We will do a free remake though for you of course to get this closer to the PSU end as mentioned though.

I would prefer a full refund and to move on.

 

I don't have confidence in cablemods ability to make these to my expectations now, when I can see and buy what I expected to get in the first place from other vendors.. Let me be clear that my expectations were simply proper, professionally made, clean and thought out cables with very nice aluminum combs.

 

I don't want to get in a situation where we try again, you send me new cables and I'm not happy a second time....because they are not 100% what I expect. I've started this build in November last year because I wanted everything perfect.

 

I didn't need to do borosilicate glass tube, flex or even petg would have been much easier by far and cheaper. I didn't need $300 in bitspower fittings instead of other brands, but I do. I didn't need noctua NF A12x25 fans, but I got them because they were the best. I did need to switch mid build from a Z390i ROG and 9900k to A Z490 aorus ultra and 10900k, but I did. I didn't need these cables but I got them.

 

Btw this is from the why cablemod tab on cablemod.com.

 

 

[jasonc_01]

6 hours ago, Escanor said:

Ordered cables 1 month ago received yesterday mine where also split off but does not look as half assed as on pictures on first post also black and white, something tells me they are not from cable mod at all but a copy cat, mine only splits off one cable not bunch of them, cant take pictures cos i dont wanna go thru all trouble of squeezing all cables back in the back since if not done cable management yet on back of my PC

I can tell you with 100% certainty that they are from cablemod. I configure and ordered them myself, and have the receipt from cablemod.

 

There are more clever and elegant ways to deal with the sense wires, this is just the easiest way.. Cut, splice and heat shrink which ruins the look and purpose of custom cables.

 

Basically if you have a case that is an open design, or tempered glass, small form factor like micro ATX or smaller and your power supply has sense lines cablemod may not work out. You might get cables with splices you were not expecting and might not be able to hide.

 

[jasonc_01]

Just now, Escanor said:

 

Any dis advantage to splicing other then looks ?

No just aesthetics are killed. 

[Guest]

LOL!  There must be some "sleeved cable Illuminati" or something.

 

 

I posted on Reddit that the sense wires are not needed.  Someone referenced the PSlate site that you quoted. I then said it was wrong and they immediately deleted my post!!!!

 

 

 

 

[artuc]

5 hours ago, Escanor said:

Any dis advantage to splicing other then looks ?

Well there can be issues with the join if not done well. High resistance, dry joints etc.

 

Heatshrink if not sized correctly may shift, glue lined helps with that. Can also get things like a stray core stab through the heatshrink and then short on other wires/chasis.

 

Can be more prone to water entry/corrosion, again glue lined helps with this, but with some cable types you may be compromising things like the sheath/gel or moisture barriers/armouring etc. where you have an inline join.

 

You can get on top of this a lot more in a workshop and the join looks and probably is well done, out in the field though have seen all of the above issues. Ideally you don't do it if you don't have to, but in field cabling it's often you can't avoid it.

[artuc]

2 hours ago, Escanor said:

Well if you have water or moisture entering you may have a bigger problem

Lol. Well yeah inside a PC.

 

Think outside the box case.

[jasonc_01]

9 hours ago, jonnyGURU said:

LOL!  There must be some "sleeved cable Illuminati" or something.

 

 

I posted on Reddit that the sense wires are not needed.  Someone referenced the PSlate site that you quoted. I then said it was wrong and they immediately deleted my post!!!!

 

 

 

 

Wow lol, that's a bit harsh.

 

I've been emailing him asking questions about his cable's for a few days.  I sent him screenshots of what you said about the sense wires. Maybe that info would help him out right?

 

He was pretty adamant that he had issues with the sf750 when they came out. I'm not gonna paraphrase, here's a screenshot. 

 

 

[Guest]

6 hours ago, jasonc_01 said:

Wow lol, that's a bit harsh.

 

I've been emailing him asking questions about his cable's for a few days.  I sent him screenshots of what you said about the sense wires. Maybe that info would help him out right?

 

He was pretty adamant that he had issues with the sf750 when they came out. I'm not gonna paraphrase, here's a screenshot. 

 

The funny thing is, the sense wires are an additional point of measurement.  It's not like the IC is getting no data at all when there's no signal from the end of the cables.  It just gets all of its data from points within the PSU.

 

I mean.. to prove a point, I'll do my testing again on an SF750 platinum.  I'll even use my hacked up cable, even, as it's 650mm long and therefore can be considered "worse case scenario".

[CableMod]

@jasonc_01 if you would like a refund, then of course we can help with that, reach out to our support team for assistance there. Do that here: https://cablemod.com/support/

We are going to look at ways on improving the splices though and making these cleaner. The no heatshrink mentioned on that was in regards to the connector ends though just to clarify. This is why the heatshrink is needed on the double wires though as well, because if you don't heat shrink and splice the wires, you would have individual wires at the connector ends which is far worse as this is the side most visible. Due to the splices though at the PSU end, you get a clean look at the motherboard side (as shown in the photo).

[CableMod]

@jasonc_01 just as an update, we have already acted on the feedback and are going to move forward making these cleaner than they currently were. You can see the before and after in the photo attached. Thank you kindly for the feedback as it helps us continue to improve.

[jasonc_01]

5 hours ago, CableMod said:

@jasonc_01 just as an update, we have already acted on the feedback and are going to move forward making these cleaner than they currently were. You can see the before and after in the photo attached. Thank you kindly for the feedback as it helps us continue to improve.

The bottom is definitely an improvement and I commend you guys for trying to improve upon thing, however...

 

If I buy a custom sized and configured cable set there should be no splices at all. May as well just buy cable extensions if you guys are banking on the splices being hidden behind the motherboard tray or in the basement. I understand with premade cable kits thats fine, but not a custom set. 

 

You guys need to eliminate these splice all together, that's the point your missing. There is a simple and elegant solution to this...

[TVwazhere]

7 hours ago, CableMod said:

@jasonc_01 just as an update, we have already acted on the feedback and are going to move forward making these cleaner than they currently were. You can see the before and after in the photo attached. Thank you kindly for the feedback as it helps us continue to improve.

Spoiler

 

The Premade Replacment Cables used in Rainbow 2020 were actually the larger heatshrink. 

Now, personally I dont care as it's something that hidden on on nearly every ATX PC case because it's behind the motherboard tray, however I could see how it would be annoying if someone was going for a SFF build, buying custom and hiding portion of cables isnt an option, or using a case that actually showed off the rear of the case with a tempered glass panel instead of a solid one. 

 

I (and the friend I gave these to) are perfectly happy with our purchase. 

[CableMod]

14 hours ago, jasonc_01 said:

The bottom is definitely an improvement and I commend you guys for trying to improve upon thing, however...

 

If I buy a custom sized and configured cable set there should be no splices at all. May as well just buy cable extensions if you guys are banking on the splices being hidden behind the motherboard tray or in the basement. I understand with premade cable kits thats fine, but not a custom set. 

 

You guys need to eliminate these splice all together, that's the point your missing. There is a simple and elegant solution to this...

@jasonc_01 if you don't splice the wires and merge them, the motherboard side which is visible will have double wires and that looks much worse actually, and doesn't allow for proper cable combs either which is another issue. This is the entire reasoning for the splices though, it cleans up the double wires at the PSU end, and makes it so the motherboard end (which is most visible) has individual wires, and can use proper combs as the ones we include just to provide some additional information.

[Guest]

@jasonc_01

 

You've inspired me. 

 

http://jongerow.com/no-sense/

 

Hope you don't mind if I borrowed the picture of your cable. 

 

[jasonc_01]

3 hours ago, jonnyGURU said:

@jasonc_01

 

You've inspired me. 

 

http://jongerow.com/no-sense/

 

Hope you don't mind if I borrowed the picture of your cable. 

 

Absolutely not, borrow away. 

 

Edit: I wonder why he had so many issues with sf platinum line when not including the sense wires. Shot in the dark maybe, possibly, early lifecycle issues? He did mention it was when they launched. Mud at a wall here for curiosity sake.

[Guest]

26 minutes ago, jasonc_01 said:

Absolutely not, borrow away. 

 

Edit: I wonder why he had so many issues with sf platinum line when not including the sense wires. Shot in the dark maybe, possibly, early lifecycle issues? He did mention it was when they launched. Mud at a wall here for curiosity sake.

The only thing that changed in SF750 from day one was the fan controller curve. 

[jasonc_01]

54 minutes ago, jonnyGURU said:

The only thing that changed in SF750 from day one was the fan controller curve. 

In that case I'm calling gremlins or act of God, maybe bad juju.

[jasonc_01]

29 minutes ago, Caroline said:

Imagine asking two hundred and fifty dollars for this.

Winner winner chicken dinner.

 

Edit: Savage

[Guest]

1 hour ago, jasonc_01 said:

In that case I'm calling gremlins or act of God, maybe bad juju.

Or being a spin doctor because they have the process of doing dual wires down pat, better than anyone else, and then being told that it's not needed, meaning anyone can make nice cables if they leave them out.

 

Seriously.  If anyone was "having issues" without the sense wires, they're either fibbing or had a bad PSU to start with.

[artuc]

3 hours ago, jonnyGURU said:

Seriously.  If anyone was "having issues" without the sense wires, they're either fibbing or had a bad PSU to start with.

I mean doing a splice half way along on an already short cable seems like a half measure not worth taking as the drop would be pretty negligible.

 

Side tangent, some industrial SMPS with sense wires need it tied to the output rails and shouldn't be left floating, is it just implemented differently in PC PSUs ?

[Guest]

10 hours ago, artuc said:

Side tangent, some industrial SMPS with sense wires need it tied to the output rails and shouldn't be left floating, is it just implemented differently in PC PSUs ?

Do you know for a fact that's true?  That floating sense wires prevent the PSU from working?

 

Not saying it's not.  That's not an EE thing or SMPS 101.  That's a design decision.  A decision is made to implement sense wires and make them required.  So nobody but the person that designed that PSU can answer why they did it that way.

 

 

[CableMod]

On 8/7/2020 at 9:08 PM, Caroline said:

Imagine asking two hundred and fifty dollars for this.

@Caroline this is necessary as mentioned for the double wires, otherwise the motherboard end connector will be filled with double wires and it looks pretty awful. You'll find this in other sleeved cable offerings as well actually, some more expensive by double the cost.

[spartaman64]

12 hours ago, CableMod said:

@Caroline this is necessary as mentioned for the double wires, otherwise the motherboard end connector will be filled with double wires and it looks pretty awful. You'll find this in other sleeved cable offerings as well actually, some more expensive by double the cost.

idk if the director of R&D at corsair for power supplies says its not necessary then its probably not necessary 

[Guest]

2 hours ago, Caroline said:

hope he never comes into my house and see me shorting the 3.3v sense with a puddle of solder so the PSU works

I'm curious.  What PSU are you using that didn't work without the +3.3V sense attached?