Cablemod WTF?

[jasonc_01]

I was a little unhappy finding out that cablemod custom cables are assembled in china, my fault I assumed they were handmade in the US or Europe with the hefty $250 price tag for 3 cables.  

 

Feeling they were overpriced but if the quality is great, whatever right? They arrived today, super fast turnaround btw as I ordered on July 22nd. A+ in that regard.

 

BUT....  What is this garbage@CableMod, are you fucking kidding me?

 

Why the fuck are the dual wired pins split off and heat shrink in the middle of the CABLE????? Why aren't the dual wires done right at the connector directly from the pin?  It's a 15cm 24 pin connector with 2 cable combs, why is it joined in the middle? It's an SFF build those cable combs are useless now and the cable looks terrible, the "modflex" wire doesn't flex properly, it just bunches up.

 

The same BS on the bridged 8+8 PCIe cable, why is the wire split and heat shrunk in the middle of the cable. I've got 4 cable combs all stuck on one end of the cable and can't move past halfway on a 30cm cable

 

What the actual fuck, how am I supposed to use this in this build? These are the fucking pro cables to boot, there is zero excuse to y and heat shrink these instead of double wiring one pin. 

 

BS

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest]

Hmm... That is strange.

 

Is that an SF Platinum in there?  Did you not want the Corsair cables because you wanted the alternating black/gray?

[Mateyyy]

Man that is one great looking build.

Hopefully you can get the cables sorted out quick, those do not look right.

[Lurick]

Unless this is some really stupid thing with the pro cables, I can say the ones I have which have the lower end combs don't have any heat-shrink on them so I'm really surprised by this. Definitely not right in my book for sure and hopefully things get sorted for you ASAP.

[The Torrent]

why are they 250 quid? its like 100gbp in the uk for like 9 of them and full length ones not just connectors.

[Moonzy]

those look awful

couldnt they make the joint closer to the psu end if it was necessary?

[jasonc_01]

14 minutes ago, jonnyGURU said:

Hmm... That is strange.

 

Is that an SF Platinum in there?  Did you not want the Corsair cables because you wanted the alternating black/gray?

It is. The Corsair cable are nice however way to long for the form factor, plus hard line water cooling. 24pin is 150mm, cpu is 250mm and PCIe is 300mm. 

 

6 minutes ago, The Torrent said:

why are they 250 quid? its like 100gbp in the uk for like 9 of them and full length ones not just connectors.

$250 canukinstan rupes for custom set and length.

[Dedayog]

$250 for 3 cables?  Where did you buy them, as Cablemod doesn't charge that much.

 

Edit:  CAD, gotcha.  Still, way to much money for a couple cables.  Can;'t understand paying that much in the first place.  Regardless of Chinese make or not.  You know the iPhone is made in China too, right?

[jasonc_01]

2 minutes ago, Moonzy said:

those look awful

couldnt they make the joint closer to the psu end if it was necessary?

I'm speechless, I was a little petty with the made in china thing and the price yesterday... But this, this is. It's fucking junk, no two ways about it. 

[jasonc_01]

27 minutes ago, Dedayog said:

$250 for 3 cables?  Where did you buy them, as Cablemod doesn't charge that much.

 

Edit:  CAD, gotcha.  Still, way to much money for a couple cables.  Can;'t understand paying that much in the first place.  Regardless of Chinese make or not.  You know the iPhone is made in China too, right?

Yeah but I can't buy the parts myself and assemble an iPhone for a fraction of the price.

[jasonc_01]

4 minutes ago, Caroline said:

Well they just grab the chinese cables you can find in alibaba, add a different bag and multiply the price by 3 or 4, reason to do this? "bb-but LOOK they're custom!!!" and a "Pro" label on them, that's it. I could just grab a banana and label it as "Pro Banana" and ask $99 for it, inside it's just a regular banana but the trick is that it's the label that makes it look special and different, and that's how marketing works.

 

sorry you wasted your money though, can you still ask for a refund?

with $250 you could get yourself like 200m of wire and a ton of sleeves in any colour you want, plus the tools, and connectors, and you still wouldn't spend it all, that's crazy.

Exactly. I only did "pro" because the bridged 8+8 PCIe is only available in "pro". 

 

If they don't give me a refund or proper cables I'll just do a charge back.

[jasonc_01]

18 minutes ago, Caroline said:

Here are some example China cables if you're interested, there's a kit and also individual cables

 

https://winkool.aliexpress.com/store/907279

Yeah their not bad, look better than these ones. However the reason I ponied up the money was the get the proper lengths as this build is SFF, super compact. 

 

The sf750 comes with braided cables already as well but it's way to much excess wire, like double and triple the length I needed . I didn't want all that clutter after working through all trouble of making... Forcing hardline water cooling with borosilicate glass tubing to work.

[Guest]

1 hour ago, jasonc_01 said:

The sf750 comes with braided cables already as well but it's way to much excess wire, like double and triple the length I needed .

That's so funny to hear after so many people complaining that the SF doesn't come with long enough cables.  LOL!

 

[jasonc_01]

6 hours ago, jonnyGURU said:

That's so funny to hear after so many people complaining that the SF doesn't come with long enough cables.  LOL!

 

Really? I wonder what people are using them for. Then again the nouvolo Steck is tiny, like the building area is only like 11"x8" and 4" deep. 

[For Science!]

12 minutes ago, jasonc_01 said:

Really? I wonder what people are using them for. Then again the nouvolo Steck is tiny, like the building area is only like 11"x8" and 4" deep. 

I mean, the double cables are for sensing the voltage, so for that purpose they are more accurate the closer they are to the motherboard side. So I guess for the best "performance" the split should be right at the motherboard connector. It also clears up the PSU side from bulk cabling. Obviously this is undesirable from a aesthetic standpoint as we want our 24-pin cables to be actually 24-pins, and so I guess they went for the middle ground of performance-aesthetics.....

 

But yeah, I agree they don't look good. My handmade custom cables also split very close the PSU end.

[jasonc_01]

29 minutes ago, For Science! said:

I mean, the double cables are for sensing the voltage, so for that purpose they are more accurate the closer they are to the motherboard side. So I guess for the best "performance" the split should be right at the motherboard connector. It also clears up the PSU side from bulk cabling. Obviously this is undesirable from a aesthetic standpoint as we want our 24-pin cables to be actually 24-pins, and so I guess they went for the middle ground of performance-aesthetics.....

 

But yeah, I agree they don't look good. My handmade custom cables also split very close the PSU end.

The braided cables that come with the sf750 are split right off the pin on the power supply connector, as do every power supply I've ever had.  I don't see why cablemod would do this.

 

I'm gonna see if @CableMod responds to this before I do a do anything. There is no way I can use these, the boxed cables look better coiled up in a nest than these do. I don't think they are capable of doing better, these are not handmade nor truely custom. They're just assembled, with every color and length ready to go and pop in the connector. 

 

This is really disappointing, custom cables are form over function. They're not utilitarian, they are bling factor. 

 

I'll be ordering from pslate customs once this is sorted, same price for truely custom handmade cable's.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest]

 

6 hours ago, For Science! said:

I mean, the double cables are for sensing the voltage, so for that purpose they are more accurate the closer they are to the motherboard side. So I guess for the best "performance" the split should be right at the motherboard connector.

Yeah.  The could've (should've) just left them out.  Especially when they're that short. 

 

It looks like all of the wire is the same gauge.  18g, perhaps?  That sense signal is < 5mA.  The stock cables use only 20g for sense and even that's overkill.

 

 

[jasonc_01]

3 minutes ago, jonnyGURU said:

 

Yeah.  The could've (should've) just left them out.  Especially when they're that short. 

 

It looks like all of the wire is the same gauge.  18g, perhaps?  That sense signal is < 5mA.  The stock cables use only 20g for sense and even that's overkill.

 

 

The sense wires are required for the sf750 to work properly, but there is a proper more elegant way to do it. Not even more elegant really, it's the way custom cables should be made.

[Guest]

10 minutes ago, jasonc_01 said:

The sense wires are required for the sf750 to work properly, but there is a proper more elegant way to do it. Not even more elegant really, it's the way custom cables should be made.

 

Are you seriously going to tell me.. me... that lack of sense wires prevent the SF from functioning properly.

 

Take a minute.  Figure out who I am.  Then rephrase that.  LOL!

[jasonc_01]

3 minutes ago, jonnyGURU said:

Are you seriously going to tell me.. me... that lack of sense wires prevent the SF from functioning properly.

 

Take a minute.  Figure out who I am.  Then rephrase that.  LOL!

I'm only regurgitating what I read from pslate customs. 

 

I know the who be the Guru 

[Guest]

Maybe you're they're confusing what different sense wires do.  

 

You can really say there's "two different kinds".

 

The "sense wire" on a graphics card simply allows the graphics card to "know" what connector is plugged in there.  When it "senses" a ground on pin 4 of an 8-pin PCIe, it knows that you're using an 8-pin PCIe.  If you jam in a six-pin PCIe, that pin is missing, so the card knows not to start because there may not be enough power available.

 

The sense pins on the power supply actually work like a DMM.  It senses the voltage at the load and reports back to the PSU what that voltage is.  If it's low, it tries to compensate.  If there is no signal, it just maintains whatever voltage.  Typically, the sense wire is compensating for the voltage difference between the PSU and the end of the cable.  If the cable is only 150mm long, you're not going to see much of a voltage drop.

 

EDIT:  Just saw your edit.  You can't believe everything you read.  Especially when it comes from a company that sells extensions which actually NEGATES the sense wires because those just extend 24-to-24 without the additional sense wires.  The sense wires terminate at the beginning of the extension.  Kind of hypocritical. 

 

 

[jasonc_01]

13 minutes ago, jonnyGURU said:

Maybe you're they're confusing what different sense wires do.  

 

You can really say there's "two different kinds".

 

The "sense wire" on a graphics card simply allows the graphics card to "know" what connector is plugged in there.  When it "senses" a ground on pin 4 of an 8-pin PCIe, it knows that you're using an 8-pin PCIe.  If you jam in a six-pin PCIe, that pin is missing, so the card knows not to start because there may not be enough power available.

 

The sense pins on the power supply actually work like a DMM.  It senses the voltage at the load and reports back to the PSU what that voltage is.  If it's low, it tries to compensate.  If there is no signal, it just maintains whatever voltage.  Typically, the sense wire is compensating for the voltage difference between the PSU and the end of the cable.  If the cable is only 150mm long, you're not going to see much of a voltage drop.

 

EDIT:  Just saw your edit.  You can't believe everything you read.  Especially when it comes from a company that sells extensions which actually NEGATES the sense wires because those just extend 24-to-24 without the additional sense wires.  The sense wires terminate at the beginning of the extension.  Kind of hypocritical. 

 

 

Just in case it's makes a difference pslate doesn't make extensions, only fully custom cables for SFF builds as far as I can tell. I've never bothered with extension so I don't know how the are cable wise.

 

 

This is how short the 24 pin run is. 

 

 

Edit: appreciate the info btw. 

[Guest]

Ok.  I assumed that they sold extensions too because it seems everyone that makes custom cables also does extensions.

 

But still....  sense wires are a nice to have.  Not required.  Example:   HXi does not have sense wires.  HX does.  That's because HXi came out 7 years ago, then SuperFlower's Leadex II came out with sense wires.  Reviewers pointed out that the voltage regulation was .1% better.  So then Corsair decided to do the same and get that .1% back from SuperFlower. 

 

Same with the caps in the cables.  They make a .01% improvement.  Just so the PSU looks better in reviews.

 

[jasonc_01]

1 hour ago, jonnyGURU said:

Ok.  I assumed that they sold extensions too because it seems everyone that makes custom cables also does extensions.

 

But still....  sense wires are a nice to have.  Not required.  Example:   HXi does not have sense wires.  HX does.  That's because HXi came out 7 years ago, then SuperFlower's Leadex II came out with sense wires.  Reviewers pointed out that the voltage regulation was .1% better.  So then Corsair decided to do the same and get that .1% back from SuperFlower. 

 

Same with the caps in the cables.  They make a .01% improvement.  Just so the PSU looks better in reviews.

I thought @CableMod was a good Avenue for custom cables like Ek is for Water-cooling, don't get me started on Ek rotary fittings and their new magnitude cpu block though.

 

I haven't heard back from @CableMod on any platform, so looks like i will be calling for a charge back. 

[Skiiwee29]

@jasonc_01 in case you werent aware, @jonnyGURU is the director of R&D at Corsair for power supplies.. so you really cant get any better source of information than the person who designs them, and eats/sleeps/breathes power supplies.