Cablemod WTF?

[CableMod]

13 hours ago, spartaman64 said:

idk if the director of R&D at corsair for power supplies says its not necessary then its probably not necessary 

@spartaman64 while the additional wires may not be necessary, by default with the PSU they are there, and because of that we add them as well. If we removed wires, people would question if the wires were correct, but again, as the PSU has the additional wires, we follow that as well, and with the additional wires, is the necessity for splicing to ensure a clean motherboard side connection.

[Guest]

7 hours ago, CableMod said:

@spartaman64 while the additional wires may not be necessary, by default with the PSU they are there, and because of that we add them as well. If we removed wires, people would question if the wires were correct, but again, as the PSU has the additional wires, we follow that as well, and with the additional wires, is the necessity for splicing to ensure a clean motherboard side connection.

Unfortunately, he's correct.

 

There are negative reviews on Newegg, Amazon, etc. because the 24-pin was missing a pin.  The -5V pin.  A pin that hasn't been used in over a decade.  It's unfortunate, but true, that the ignorant minority is the loudest and can hurt your brand with their ignorance.  Therefore, you have to pander to the lowest common denominator.

 

[spartaman64]

2 minutes ago, jonnyGURU said:

Unfortunately, he's correct.

 

There are negative reviews on Newegg, Amazon, etc. because the 24-pin was missing a pin.  The -5V pin.  A pin that hasn't been used in over a decade.  It's unfortunate, but true, that the ignorant minority is the loudest and can hurt your brand with their ignorance.  Therefore, you have to pander to the lowest common denominator.

 

i guess if it doesnt work then some people might be ignorant and think thats the reason why but if it works i doubt many people would care and it will only make up a small percentage of reviews. and i personally think more wires would look better than the random heat shrink in the middle but thats my opinion

[Spotty]

8 hours ago, CableMod said:

@spartaman64 while the additional wires may not be necessary, by default with the PSU they are there, and because of that we add them as well. If we removed wires, people would question if the wires were correct, but again, as the PSU has the additional wires, we follow that as well, and with the additional wires, is the necessity for splicing to ensure a clean motherboard side connection.

Since these are custom specified cables in this situation, would it be possible to have it as an option for customers to choose cables without the sense wires? Or maybe available to make custom cables without the sense wires upon special request if they reach out to support beforehand?

[Guest]

21 minutes ago, spartaman64 said:

i guess if it doesnt work then some people might be ignorant and think thats the reason why but if it works i doubt many people would care and it will only make up a small percentage of reviews. and i personally think more wires would look better than the random heat shrink in the middle but thats my opinion

No.  You'd be surprised how dumb some people can be.   I had this same conversation with Thomas from Cablemod.  He's run into it too.

 

People see the missing wire and immediately freak out.

 

The same is true with people using those hand held testers before they install the PSU.  They see the power good signal is < 100ms and go on a freak out fest.  EVERY. SINGLE.  DAY.  I ask, "did you even TRY it?" and the answer is always "no."

 

Another one is when people see there's a "D" shaped male connector on the PSU cable and a square female on the motherboard and they go full stop and will yap on an on for a week wondering why it's this way and not once will actually TRY to connect the connector.

 

I can understand being overly cautious, but sometimes it's just so ridiculous.

 

And it's not a "small number of reviews".  It's unfortunate, but these dim-wits seriously damage your brand.  95% of the time when someone gets something like a power supply and it works as expected, they DO NOT leave a positive review.  But if someone thinks they have a bad product, they are 95% likely to leave a negative review.

[jasonc_01]

23 hours ago, CableMod said:

@spartaman64 while the additional wires may not be necessary, by default with the PSU they are there, and because of that we add them as well. If we removed wires, people would question if the wires were correct, but again, as the PSU has the additional wires, we follow that as well, and with the additional wires, is the necessity for splicing to ensure a clean motherboard side connection.

THERE IS A BETTER WAY. 

 

I'm honestly so annoyed that you can't see the solution I'm going to buy all the materials and tools out of pocket. Just to prove a point.

 

I'll even ship it to @jonnyGURU for testing, if he wants to do so.

 

Side tangent- no one is double the price of Cablemod.

 

Edit: cablemod is not the most expensive either, they all similarly priced even though other custom cable makers are made in USA or EU ect..

[Guest]

16 minutes ago, jasonc_01 said:

I'll even ship it to @jonnyGURU for testing, if he wants to do so.

Cool.  I'm game. 

 

[CableMod]

On 8/12/2020 at 12:19 PM, spartaman64 said:

i guess if it doesnt work then some people might be ignorant and think thats the reason why but if it works i doubt many people would care and it will only make up a small percentage of reviews. and i personally think more wires would look better than the random heat shrink in the middle but thats my opinion

@spartaman64 with the amount of orders we ship daily, there are far less people complaining about this specific scenario, and this is because the cables are very short, so it is more noticeable. As mentioned previously though, in a standard mid tower, or even micro ATX build, this would be completely hidden behind the motherboard tray or even under the PSU shroud with where we place it. For the pro cables though, with the added thickness, you couldn't do the double wires in the terminals and it does require splicing, on thinner cables you could avoid the splices and do double wires in terminals, but again, this looks far worse.

[jasonc_01]

On 8/14/2020 at 12:08 AM, CableMod said:

@spartaman64 with the amount of orders we ship daily, there are far less people complaining about this specific scenario, and this is because the cables are very short, so it is more noticeable. As mentioned previously though, in a standard mid tower, or even micro ATX build, this would be completely hidden behind the motherboard tray or even under the PSU shroud with where we place it. For the pro cables though, with the added thickness, you couldn't do the double wires in the terminals and it does require splicing, on thinner cables you could avoid the splices and do double wires in terminals, but again, this looks far worse.

Bringing this back from the dead. Just recieved my cables from pslate customs, I had put them on hold for 30 series consideration.

 

So here are the impossible cables that must be spliced. Please note the absence of splices, oh and the doubled wires looking just terrible....

 

I told you there was a better solution than splicing, cause this is basically how I would have built them myself. As far as sense wires are concerned that is.

 

You'll notice there are three more pictures of your cables, disassembled, side by side with corsairs braided cables that came with the power supply. Things to note. I remember @jonnyGURU talking about the type of plastic used in Corsairs psu connectors, using the right type for strength and temperature resistance.  There is big gap in quality between there connectors and the ones you use. The plastic is definitely cheaper, more like petg or maybe PVC. They are very soft and squishy where Corsairs are much tougher and very rigid.

 

I'm more disappointed in the actual quality of the cables construction compared to the Corsair cable's. The molex pins you use seem much cheaper than Corsairs. Where Corsairs are bright chrome plated, more rigid and seem better formed the ones you use are only thinly nickel plated and the metal is a little softer. The softer material definitely does not hold the wires securely as they come out of the crimps pretty easily, especially the sleeving.

 

The sleeving came unsecured from the crimp with very little force, like just tugging on the cable. This is somewhat do to the cheaper molex pins but more to do with the assembly. Corsairs cables had the sleeving crimped with the larger more positive connection rear crimp biting tightly into both sleeve and wire jacket. Your cable sleeving was also secured in the rear crimp. However the crimp is only in the sleeving with the bare conductor underneath, no wire jacket. So the only crimp holding the wire to the molex pins is the smaller forward electrical connection crimp. 

 

The Corsair cable and sleeving crimps didn't and wouldn't come apart with much more force.

 

Your cables cost more than the power supply they were built for yet the Corsair braided cables Jonny told Gordan mah were a nice added feature for platinum power supplies are better quality. From materials to assembly, better.

 

That's pretty disappointing.

 

 

[danielzy]

On 10/8/2020 at 6:57 PM, jasonc_01 said:

Bringing this back from the dead. Just recieved my cables from pslate customs, I had put them on hold for 30 series consideration.

 

So here are the impossible cables that must be spliced. Please note the absence of splices, oh and the doubled wires looking just terrible....

 

I told you there was a better solution than splicing, cause this is basically how I would have built them myself. As far as sense wires are concerned that is.

 

You'll notice there are three more pictures of your cables, disassembled, side by side with corsairs braided cables that came with the power supply. Things to note. I remember @jonnyGURU talking about the type of plastic used in Corsairs psu connectors, using the right type for strength and temperature resistance.  There is big gap in quality between there connectors and the ones you use. The plastic is definitely cheaper, more like petg or maybe PVC. They are very soft and squishy where Corsairs are much tougher and very rigid.

 

I'm more disappointed in the actual quality of the cables construction compared to the Corsair cable's. The molex pins you use seem much cheaper than Corsairs. Where Corsairs are bright chrome plated, more rigid and seem better formed the ones you use are only thinly nickel plated and the metal is a little softer. The softer material definitely does not hold the wires securely as they come out of the crimps pretty easily, especially the sleeving.

 

The sleeving came unsecured from the crimp with very little force, like just tugging on the cable. This is somewhat do to the cheaper molex pins but more to do with the assembly. Corsairs cables had the sleeving crimped with the larger more positive connection rear crimp biting tightly into both sleeve and wire jacket. Your cable sleeving was also secured in the rear crimp. However the crimp is only in the sleeving with the bare conductor underneath, no wire jacket. So the only crimp holding the wire to the molex pins is the smaller forward electrical connection crimp. 

 

The Corsair cable and sleeving crimps didn't and wouldn't come apart with much more force.

 

Your cables cost more than the power supply they were built for yet the Corsair braided cables Jonny told Gordan mah were a nice added feature for platinum power supplies are better quality. From materials to assembly, better.

 

That's pretty disappointing.

 

 

Bringing this back from the dead 2.0 - I would love @jonnyGURU to correct me - but isn't this thing completely pointless?

 

 

I mean, what's the point of making a sense wire on the PSU side?

Isn't the idea here is to sense how much voltage is dropped through the cable so you sense it on the motherboard side, and report back to the PSU to compensate?

 

 

[Guest]

31 minutes ago, danielzy said:

Bringing this back from the dead 2.0 - I would love @jonnyGURU to correct me - but isn't this thing completely pointless?

 

 

I mean, what's the point of making a sense wire on the PSU side?

Isn't the idea here is to sense how much voltage is dropped through the cable so you sense it on the motherboard side, and report back to the PSU to compensate?

 

 

No.  24-pin sense wires sense the voltage.

 

The ones used on PCIe just sense that there is a PSU present that can support 150W per connector.  So, technically, they're not really sense wires.  They're just ground wires.

 

[danielzy]

1 minute ago, jonnyGURU said:

No.  24-pin sense wires sense the voltage.

 

The ones used on PCIe just sense that there is a PSU present that can support 150W per connector.  So, technically, they're not really sense wires.  They're just ground wires.

 

In the picture I attached, from @jasonc_01 cables from pslate, they made the sense wires of the 24 pins on the PSU side, so they sense the voltage the PSU puts out and report it back to the PSU...? But I thought the whole idea is to sense the voltage at the motherboard end to sense how much voltage is dropped at the cable?

[danielzy]

On 4/11/2022 at 9:12 PM, jonnyGURU said:

No.  24-pin sense wires sense the voltage.

 

The ones used on PCIe just sense that there is a PSU present that can support 150W per connector.  So, technically, they're not really sense wires.  They're just ground wires.

 

Hi, one more question, hope you dont mind

Is there any truth to the saying that the SF750 fan loses its 0 rpm mode without the sense wires? 

[Guest]

On 4/11/2022 at 9:16 PM, danielzy said:

In the picture I attached, from @jasonc_01 cables from pslate, they made the sense wires of the 24 pins on the PSU side, so they sense the voltage the PSU puts out and report it back to the PSU...? But I thought the whole idea is to sense the voltage at the motherboard end to sense how much voltage is dropped at the cable?

Yeah.  That's dumb.  Those wires are a complete waste the way they have them.  Might as well not be there at all.  

9 hours ago, danielzy said:

Hi, one more question, hope you dont mind

Is there any truth to the saying that the SF750 fan loses its 0 rpm mode without the sense wires? 

That doesn't make any sense at all.   I mean.. that very statement lacks complete logic and a complete lack of understanding about how anything works.

 

Who are these people making the useless cables and spreading misinformation and who let them on the internet?  We should have internet licenses like we have drivers licenses.

[danielzy]

37 minutes ago, jonnyGURU said:

Yeah.  That's dumb.  Those wires are a complete waste the way they have them.  Might as well not be there at all.  

That doesn't make any sense at all.   I mean.. that very statement lacks complete logic and a complete lack of understanding about how anything works.

 

Who are these people making the useless cables and spreading misinformation and who let them on the internet?  We should have internet licenses like we have drivers licenses.

reddit 

 

Thanks for all your help!

[Bitter]

Wow. The sleeve is crimped down where the insulation is supposed to be crimped into the terminal for strain relief? That's pretty bad. I mean I get they need to secure the sleeve to the end of the cable but for the volume of product they make I'd have thought they would know better? That 2nd crimp HAS to go on the wire insulation so when the wire is pulled on the insulation takes up the pull and it does not loosen the wire crimp. The wire crimp does not look particularly tight either.

 

 

@jonnyGURU

We'll need you to setup a group buy of loose Corsair terminals and connectors so the community can just make their own stuff from real quality parts. Call it the CMDA, Corsair Mod DIY Accessory. Or something. 2 of 3 of my normal use PC's are now using Corsair PSU's, an older RM1000X which is absolute overkill at the moment and a SF850 in another build. The SF850 def had that AliExpress China stink going on, might want to tell the shipping dept to air out the container when it hits the port

[Jorgemeister]

I understand half of what Ive been reading but this has been interesting and entertaining 

[TexasBulldog74]

YEah the prices are a joke IMO...  

 

Ive been using this guy on Etsy.  Quality is great and you can custom order the length you want so you can go direct into your modular PSU instead of having a huge bundle of cables chilling in the basement of your case.

 

https://www.etsy.com/shop/DreambigbyRayMOD?ref=yr_purchases