Should a GTX 1080 give >144hz in Apex Legends?

[Sin Stalker]

I have a 1080 paired with a Ryzen 2700x and 16gb memory. 

 

On all low settings, at 1080p, should a 1080 yield greater than 144hz?

 

If not a 1080, then what gpu would yield consistent 144hz or greater in Apex Legends (1080p, low settings)? Could an RTX 2060 Super?

[Haro]

I don't play Apex and I don't know how demanding it is 

Just watch a video benchmarking the 1080 in Apex.

[Morgan MLGman]

4 minutes ago, Sin Stalker said:

I have a 1080 paired with a Ryzen 2700x and 16gb memory. 

 

On all low settings, at 1080p, should a 1080 yield greater than 144hz?

 

If not a 1080, then what gpu would yield consistent 144hz or greater in Apex Legends (1080p, low settings)? Could an RTX 2060 Super?

1080p low? GTX 1080 easily, not sure about the CPU though.

2060 Super is around as fast as a 1080, maybe a tad faster so not really a significant difference.

[Mateyyy]

First video that pops up on YouTube: https://youtu.be/6o0A4JRrW7c?t=97

 

You'd want at least a 2070 Super for a noticeable upgrade over the 1080, and even then it wouldn't be worth it considering that the 1080 is still more than capable and next-gen GPUs are coming out later this year.

In eSport titles you'll likely be limited by your CPU rather than your 1080, because of the 2700X's lower single-core performance compared to Zen 2 or Intel.

[PorkishPig]

I was able to run Apex Legends at around 110-120 FPS on medium-low settings with GTX 1070 Ti + R7 1700 in Season 1.

 

An RTX 2060 Super is barely an upgrade over the GTX 1080.

[SavageNeo]

12 minutes ago, Sin Stalker said:

I have a 1080 paired with a Ryzen 2700x and 16gb memory. 

 

On all low settings, at 1080p, should a 1080 yield greater than 144hz?

 

If not a 1080, then what gpu would yield consistent 144hz or greater in Apex Legends (1080p, low settings)? Could an RTX 2060 Super?

my similar setup runs 160fps+ on max settings you vould do over 140 easily

[GenericFanboy]

I use a gtx 1650 super. High quality 120 fps. 

[i_build_nanosuits]

Cpu is too slow if you're not getting 200fps on low 1080p with a Gtx 1080

[Sin Stalker]

So then there is possibly something wrong with my system still (other issues posted) that is keeping my 1080 performance from hitting 144.

 

Either that or the Ryzen 2700x is preventing the 1080 from performing. How can I find out?

[Mick Naughty]

Hz is always consistent. Unless you mean FPS. 
 

Do a simple benchmark for the gpu and see where it lands. Doubt the cpu is holding it back. Maybe data log while playing and see if there’s an issue. 

[Sin Stalker]

1 hour ago, Mick Naughty said:

Hz is always consistent. Unless you mean FPS. 
 

Do a simple benchmark for the gpu and see where it lands. Doubt the cpu is holding it back. Maybe data log while playing and see if there’s an issue. 

I've had some issues with this system for awhile. I think the mobo is bad. HDDs disconnect randomly with audio issues and sometimes frame rate issues.

 

And yes, I meant fps to 144.

 

I guess I need to decide if I try replacing the mobo or just sell everything off and build an Intel system. 

[Mick Naughty]

19 minutes ago, Sin Stalker said:

I've had some issues with this system for awhile. I think the mobo is bad. HDDs disconnect randomly with audio issues and sometimes frame rate issues.

 

And yes, I meant fps to 144.

 

I guess I need to decide if I try replacing the mobo or just sell everything off and build an Intel system. 

Or just test and see. Doubt it a card issue. 

[Sin Stalker]

4 hours ago, Mick Naughty said:

Or just test and see. Doubt it a card issue. 

I have been testing for awhile. I have replaced the card already.

 

I am at the point where I either buy a new mobo to replace my current one or I buy a new processor and mobo (probably a i5-10600k). 

 

I had a 1700x with a b350 mobo before this current x370 2700x system and it also has issues. Not sure if its because of bad first gen Asus mobos for ryzen or just ryzen in general. All I know is I am sick of instability and not getting my 144 fps.

[xg32]

the dips look to be gpu bound, though i've heard apex is actually pretty cpu intensive in certain spots too, there were reddit posts complaining that a 9900k can't run 240hz. You should be fine for the most part at 2700x ddr3200 with a 1080 on 1080p/144hz low, though iirc intel and turing is recommended for apex.

[LOST TALE]

15 hours ago, Sin Stalker said:

I have a 1080 paired with a Ryzen 2700x and 16gb memory. 

 

On all low settings, at 1080p, should a 1080 yield greater than 144hz?

 

If not a 1080, then what gpu would yield consistent 144hz or greater in Apex Legends (1080p, low settings)? Could an RTX 2060 Super?

I bet so.

[LOST TALE]

14 hours ago, Sin Stalker said:

So then there is possibly something wrong with my system still (other issues posted) that is keeping my 1080 performance from hitting 144.

 

Either that or the Ryzen 2700x is preventing the 1080 from performing. How can I find out?

did you even check cpu usage. 

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[Sin Stalker]

2 hours ago, LOST TALE said:

did you even check cpu usage. 

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Yes. CPU is usually around 50%. It definitely isn't a bottleneck issue.

I've done lots of troubleshooting for a very long time now. I just watched this video and now I am thinking that maybe my experience with b350 and x370 has been due to poor quality of parts. 

 

 

 

Maybe upgrading to B450/X470 will fix it?

 

 

3 hours ago, xg32 said:

the dips look to be gpu bound, though i've heard apex is actually pretty cpu intensive in certain spots too, there were reddit posts complaining that a 9900k can't run 240hz. You should be fine for the most part at 2700x ddr3200 with a 1080 on 1080p/144hz low, though iirc intel and turing is recommended for apex.

My system is not fine though. Consistently below 144 unless in menus. This makes me think maybe I should sell off my mobo and cpu and grab intel.

 

 

 

Sorry that this detoured from being just about GPUs, in the GPU forum section. 

[xg32]

9 hours ago, Sin Stalker said:

Yes. CPU is usually around 50%. It definitely isn't a bottleneck issue.

I've done lots of troubleshooting for a very long time now. I just watched this video and now I am thinking that maybe my experience with b350 and x370 has been due to poor quality of parts. 

 

 

 

Maybe upgrading to B450/X470 will fix it?

 

 

My system is not fine though. Consistently below 144 unless in menus. This makes me think maybe I should sell off my mobo and cpu and grab intel.

 

 

 

Sorry that this detoured from being just about GPUs, in the GPU forum section. 

did u check what speed ur memory's running at in the bios and with cpuz? zen is insanely slow below certain memory speeds.

[Mick Naughty]

Did you bother to check what other people are getting with similar cards before assuming its an issue with the system?

[Mateyyy]

15 hours ago, Sin Stalker said:

I had a 1700x with a b350 mobo before this current x370 2700x system and it also has issues. Not sure if its because of bad first gen Asus mobos for ryzen or just ryzen in general. All I know is I am sick of instability and not getting my 144 fps.

Zen and Zen+ are not ideal for high refresh rate gaming, simple as that. Intel and AMD's Zen 2 are the way to go for this use case.

[rodrigoxm49]

On 6/30/2020 at 10:22 AM, Sin Stalker said:

So then there is possibly something wrong with my system still (other issues posted) that is keeping my 1080 performance from hitting 144.

 

Either that or the Ryzen 2700x is preventing the 1080 from performing. How can I find out?

150~200FPS is expected, some drops here and there which is expected for Apex.

10 hours ago, Sin Stalker said:

Yes. CPU is usually around 50%. It definitely isn't a bottleneck issue.

I've done lots of troubleshooting for a very long time now. I just watched this video and now I am thinking that maybe my experience with b350 and x370 has been due to poor quality of parts. 

 

 

 

Maybe upgrading to B450/X470 will fix it?

 

 

My system is not fine though. Consistently below 144 unless in menus. This makes me think maybe I should sell off my mobo and cpu and grab intel.

 

 

 

Sorry that this detoured from being just about GPUs, in the GPU forum section. 

CPU usage means nothing about CPU bottlenecing GPU. See FX8xxx series. Huge bottleneck on modern VGA, most of games at 50% to 75% CPU usage.

 

I don't think you should change AMD for Intel. Very close performance, only 10% of difference between them on games. Lets find whats happening before change the hardware. It's expected 150~200FPS at 1080p@Very Low. That the FPS you're getting right now?

 

Do you have two memory modules or jut one 16GB size??

[Sin Stalker]

10 hours ago, xg32 said:

did u check what speed ur memory's running at in the bios and with cpuz? zen is insanely slow below certain memory speeds.

It's also stability issues. So I've done multiple different frequencies from 2133 to 3200, and different timings. None of it changes the issues.

 

The weird thing is I seem to have no trouble in other games. I boot up Rust or CoD and no glitching (but fps is still lower than I am told it should be).

10 hours ago, Mick Naughty said:

Did you bother to check what other people are getting with similar cards before assuming its an issue with the system?

Yes. And double checking by asking here. I even have tried a 1080ti in the system and barely get any more fps than with my 1080. 

10 hours ago, Mateyyy said:

Zen and Zen+ are not ideal for high refresh rate gaming, simple as that. Intel and AMD's Zen 2 are the way to go for this use case.

Yet I'm not getting what others are getting for a 2700x. I bought a new board (arriving tomorrow) and I'll see if it fixes all the issues, including the fps. If I am not getting the fps I want, even though I do more than game on the machine, I will sell everything and go Intel.

 

 

9 hours ago, rodrigoxm49 said:

150~200FPS is expected, some drops here and there which is expected for Apex.

CPU usage means nothing about CPU bottlenecing GPU. See FX8xxx series. Huge bottleneck on modern VGA, most of games at 50% to 75% CPU usage.

 

I don't think you should change AMD for Intel. Very close performance, only 10% of difference between them on games. Lets find whats happening before change the hardware. It's expected 150~200FPS at 1080p@Very Low. That the FPS you're getting right now?

 

Do you have two memory modules or jut one 16GB size??

10 hours ago, xg32 said:

 

I have two modules of 8gb. So I am using dual channel.

I have a 144hz monitor, so the fps won't go above 144. It is never at 144 except for menus. So 150 to 200 is impossible for my current system.

My last ditch effort (after struggling with this for almost a year at this point and it getting progressively worse) is to get b450 board and see if it's a quality issue with x370/b350. I also had similar issues after a year of using a b350 with a 1700x and replaced both the CPU and mobo to fix the issue.

 

 

I'll update once I install the new mobo.

[Mick Naughty]

Well it isn’t a card issue then. So assuming you are watching per core usage and only seeing 50% on it, there’s an issue. 

[Sin Stalker]

5 minutes ago, Mick Naughty said:

Well it isn’t a card issue then. So assuming you are watching per core usage and only seeing 50% on it, there’s an issue. 

I was not watching per core. Wasn't using HWM. I just had task manager open on another monitor and replied on the graph history. 

 

Is there a program I can use that works like frapps but looks at CPU usage? Would be easier to look at history rather try and check another monitor mid intense fight.

[Mick Naughty]

Just now, Sin Stalker said:

I was not watching per core. Wasn't using HWM. I just had task manager open on another monitor and replied on the graph history. 

 

Is there a program I can use that works like frapps but looks at CPU usage? Would be easier to look at history rather try and check another monitor mid intense fight.

Well you can change the task manager to per core. Then turn the report rate to slow and just check in mid game or something.