Air cooler for 10600K

[Doc Huckleberry]

I am planning on upgrading my intel i5 6600K to the i5 10600K, and I do not believe my current CM Hyper 212 Evo will be enough to keep it cool.
I currently have the 212 evo coupled With 2 Linus Tech Tips Noctua NF-F12 in push/pull. It has been 5 years since I really kept up with PC hardware but it seems the 212 Evo is getting outdated...
Would do you guys recommend in terms of a mid-range cooler for the 10600K at stock and a modest overclock, at least in the short term? I have been looking at the Noctua NH-U12S, and the Artic Freezer 34 eSports Duo.
What are your opinions on the 2 coolers I mentioned, is the 212 Evo (Or the latest black version any good?) and do you have any other suggestions?
Thanks!

[ayazam]

are you overclocking the i5 6600K right now? and will you overclock the 10600K?
if youre going with stock clock, the 212 is still okay

212 evo IS outdated, but it still perform better than any stock cooler

if youre just running on stock clock, i do agree with what bluescope819 saying
why stay with intel 14nm++++ when you can get a better performing (more core/thread) cpu from the other side

[Doc Huckleberry]

6 minutes ago, BlueScope819 said:

Step 1, don't get the 10600k.

Step 2, get a 3600.

Step 3, keep your hyper 212

Step 4, spend $100 less on the motherboard and $100 less on the CPU, so get a 3700x instead of the 3600 because of the money you save.

Step 5, profit.

Yeah I figured I would get a similar response. Honestly I have never done an AMD build. I have always gone with intel...But I have been thinking about perhaps going AMD, but if I did, it would be the next generation, Which I think is coming out in the fall..Honestly I haven't completely made up my mind, especially since the 10600K dont seem to be in stock anywhere in Canada yet..I appreciative your opinion and will look further into AMD.
But until then can someone humor me and give me an honest answer with respect to my original question regarding cooling the 10600K?
 

[Doc Huckleberry]

9 minutes ago, ayazam said:

are you overclocking the i5 6600K right now? and will you overclock the 10600K?
if youre going with stock clock, the 212 is still okay

212 evo IS outdated, but it still perform better than any stock cooler

if youre just running on stock clock, i do agree with what bluescope819 saying
why stay with intel 14nm++++ when you can get a better performing (more core/thread) cpu from the other side

Yes I am running the 6600K it at 4.5Ghz. With the 10600K I will eventually also give it a moderate overclock.
Reason I am partial to the 10600K is it is a better gaming CPU, and just familiarity with Intel...Yes I know, they require a new MoBo every 2 generations, I know they run hot. I have only ever built intel systems going back almost 20 years...And while I will look into AMD, what are your opinions on the coolers I mentioned for the 10600K???

[dizmo]

Why short term? If it's short term just use your Hyper 212. The upgraded fan is going to make it significantly better than it would have been stock anyway.

For longer term, you can't go wrong with Noctua. There's also some solid Scythe coolers that compete with the D15, however any decent air cooler is going to be about $100.

 

Don't get the 3600 if you're willing to wait. The 4600 is almost out.

The 3600 isn't really any better than the 10600k, and the 10600k wrecks it in games. So. Only you can decide if the savings would be worth it for you.

 

@BlueScope819 Not everyone needs more cores...

[ayazam]

18 minutes ago, Doc Huckleberry said:

Yes I am running it at 4.5Ghz. With the 10600K I will eventually also give it a moderate overclock.
Reason I am partial to the 10600K is it is a better gaming CPU, and just familiarity with Intel...Yes I know, they require a new MoBo every 2 generations, I know they run hot. I have only ever built intel systems going back almost 20 years...And while I will look into AMD, what are your opinions on the coolers I mentioned for the 10600K???

if you're a loyal (not a fanboy) stay with it, you're in your comfort zone
but i recommend you get the KF suffix (if intel gonna release it), or do you need the iGPU?
or if you want some challenge go for the other side well its you who will decide it at the end tho

about the coolers,

both will perform better than the 212EVO and i have another recommendation and its
$40 ID COOLING SE234 and
$60 Scythe FUMA 2

so while the 4 perform the same, the price different will make you decide which one
$40 SE 234 < $50 Freezer 34 < $60 FUMA 2 < $99 NH U12A (not S)
 

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[Doc Huckleberry]

15 minutes ago, dizmo said:

Why short term? If it's short term just use your Hyper 212. The upgraded fan is going to make it significantly better than it would have been stock anyway.

For longer term, you can't go wrong with Noctua. There's also some solid Scythe coolers that compete with the D15, however any decent air cooler is going to be about $100.

 

Don't get the 3600 if you're willing to wait. The 4600 is almost out.

The 3600 isn't really any better than the 10600k, and the 10600k wrecks it in games. So. Only you can decide if the savings would be worth it for you.

 

@BlueScope819 Not everyone needs more cores...

I guess short term comment didnt make sense...I would like to try water cooling in the future, however my case is really not suited to that...and I at the moment do not want to buy a new case.
I agree, about the 3600, If I were to go AMD, I would wait until the 4XXX series came out.  However at this moment, I am leaning to the 10600K because i mainly play games.

[Doc Huckleberry]

14 minutes ago, ayazam said:

if you're a loyal (not a fanboy) stay with it, you're in your comfort zone
but i recommend you get the KF suffix (if intel gonna release it), or do you need the iGPU?
or if you want some challenge go for the other side well its you who will decide it at the end tho

about the coolers,

both will perform better than the 212EVO and i have another recommendation and its
$40 ID COOLING SE234 and
$60 Scythe FUMA 2

so while the 4 perform the same, the price different will make you decide which one
$40 SE 234 < $50 Freezer 34 < $60 FUMA 2 < $99 NH U12A (not S)
 

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I am not a fanboy, but as you said it is my comfort zone. I have only built intel systems...I DO plan on getting the 10600KF, as I dont  need an IGPU and will be getting an Nvidia 3XXX card when they come out to replace my 1070.
Thank you for the other 2 cooler recommendations and the info I will take a look at them.

[ayazam]

6 minutes ago, Doc Huckleberry said:

I am not a fanboy, but as you said it is my comfort zone. I have only built intel systems...I DO plan on getting the 10600KF, as I dont  need an IGPU and will be getting an Nvidia 3XXX card when they come out to replace my 1070.
Thank you for the other 2 cooler recommendations and the info I will take a look at them.

im not saying you are just a loyal one
oh good then if you plan on getting the KF

yeah, i personally recommend the SE 234
because its cheap and perform as good as the $99
you could get something for the $60 you save
like the stealth hoodie at LTTSTORE.COM

[Doc Huckleberry]

3 minutes ago, ayazam said:

im not saying you are just a loyal one
oh good then if you plan on getting the KF

yeah, i personally recommend the SE 234
because its cheap and perform as good as the $99
you could get something for the $60 you save
like the stealth hoodie at LTTSTORE.COM

Many thanks!

[dizmo]

8 minutes ago, Doc Huckleberry said:

I am not a fanboy, but as you said it is my comfort zone. I have only built intel systems...I DO plan on getting the 10600KF, as I dont  need an IGPU and will be getting an Nvidia 3XXX card when they come out to replace my 1070.
Thank you for the other 2 cooler recommendations and the info I will take a look at them.

Depending on the price difference the onboard iGPU can be invaluable for figuring out issues with the system. I'd get the one with it just for the off chance that you get a bad video card, you're not left without a system, or if you need to see if it's the issue.

[Doc Huckleberry]

14 minutes ago, dizmo said:

Depending on the price difference the onboard iGPU can be invaluable for figuring out issues with the system. I'd get the one with it just for the off chance that you get a bad video card, you're not left without a system, or if you need to see if it's the issue.

I have a multitude of old video cards lol, So I would rather save the $40 bucks price difference between the K and the KF. 

[Doc Huckleberry]

So just to reset here, Instead of engaging in the endless debate AMD VS Intel, Wait to get the next gen, or buy now, ect ect ect.
My original question was what is a good AFFORDABLE air cooler for the 10600K, at stock and with a moderate overclock with the intention of gaming.
As I said I have been using the CM 212 Evo for 10 years, albeit with upgraded push/pull fans...when I starting thinking about upgrading to the 10600K  I realized I was no longer up to date with respects to coolers (Or many other components)...having used the 212 for 10 years on my 2500k and my current 6600K i havent really noticed that the 212 Evo has slipped in terms of performance... So because I am trying to catch up to the current tech 5 years after my last build, I JUST wanted opinions on a affordable yet competitive wise cooler for the new 10600K...I mentioned 3 coolers, 2 other have been suggested to me, which i will look into.(Thank you)
Honestly I will be asking for opinions on motherboards, Memory, Case fans, ect ect related to 10600K and as I learn more about the AMD 4XXX I will have more questions related to it...I just thought a simple starting point was what cooler is affordable, yet very good performance wise...
Sorry for the confusion, I am old,,So...that is my excuse!

 

[MrBrightSyde]

Just to add another cooler since why not, the Scythe Mugen 5 Rev.B performs a lot better than the 212 Evo, though if you go with AMD (in the future) you wouldn't need as high as performing CPU cooler as the AMD chips run cooler than Intel's.
 

So basically, the Mugen 5 Rev.B is a choice to look at for both the 10600K and whatever AMD will be offering in the Ryzen 4XXX series, though the 212 Evo would probably do fine, though overclocking temps might get a little high but within spec.

 

[Doc Huckleberry]

54 minutes ago, MrBrightSyde said:

Just to add another cooler since why not, the Scythe Mugen 5 Rev.B performs a lot better than the 212 Evo, though if you go with AMD (in the future) you wouldn't need as high as performing CPU cooler as the AMD chips run cooler than Intel's.
 

So basically, the Mugen 5 Rev.B is a choice to look at for both the 10600K and whatever AMD will be offering in the Ryzen 4XXX series, though the 212 Evo would probably do fine, though overclocking temps might get a little high but within spec.

 

YES! Thank you, that is another one I have read about...will check it out!

[Fuzzyy]

10th gen is really final breath of the 14nm, not that those CPUs are bad, but the next generation will perform a LOT better, they will probably offer 10 or 7nm. We will see a huge increase in peformance, not like the increase between 9th and 10th gen, if intel is smart enough to move on 10 or 7nm. If intel is your comfort zone, maybe hold on to your 6600k for a year and get the 11th gen. If you want the nVidia 3000 series when it comes out, I can't say anything because your 6600k will bottleneck the it.

If I am forced to buy parts this day, instead of 10600k, I would have gone with a 3700x, use the same Hyper 212 or maybe get rid of it and purchase a NH-U12S. If you can wait couple months, wait for the release of Ryzen4000, that will be the best purchase of this year. Pair it with nVidia 3000 series GPU and you are set!

[Tan3l6]

For my 10600K i bought Zalman CNPS20X for 70€ and dont regret it. 

I'm just regretting 10600K that only reaches 4,7Ghz all core and 4.9Ghz single core. (1,38V)

[Mateyyy]

41 minutes ago, BlueScope819 said:

You are spending $100 more on the CPU and $100 more on the motherboard, at that point you can get a 3700x so its not comparing the 3600 to the 10600k its the 3700x to the 10600k, and sure you can take your extra 5% frames in games if you want to be the cause of global warming, it draws so much power. Games are rapidly becoming more multi threaded so it will get better with time. Also they could just wait for the 4600 or 4700x as you said.

Z490 is no more expensive than X570 is. If you're going to repeat "spend $100 more on a motherboard" three or however many times, at least check your facts first. And a 10600K won't be "the cause of global warming, because it draws so much power" - it's inherently an 8700K, and I don't remember people complaining about insane power consumption figures at the time that it released.

I get it's 2020 and it's cool to shit on Intel and all but like what's the point in spewing nonsense which ultimately will just misguide people? 

 

The Hyper 212 you already have will do for a 10600K at stock, but I wouldn't really try pushing it. If you run it at its single-core boost on all cores (basically unlocking it), then an NH-U12S should handle it. The Arctic Freezer 34 should be fairly close to the U12S if I had to guess, though I don't know the actual figures on it accurately. There's also the be quiet! Dark Rock 4, which should also perform similarly to these coolers.

If looks are not the top priority, a couple of other options would be Noctua's NH-U14S and NH-U12A, with the latter being very close to an NH-D15 or Dark Rock Pro 4 in terms of performance.

[Mateyyy]

1 minute ago, BlueScope819 said:

The point being is you don't need an X570 board to effectively run even a 3900x.

Sure, it'll run on a high-end B450 board at stock speeds. But what if you want to overclock to get the most out of your chip, or what if you want to have the ability to upgrade to a 3950X or future higher power consumption chips though? There's not just X570, there's B550 as well, but really B550 is not much cheaper than X570, is it?

2 minutes ago, BlueScope819 said:

https://www.anandtech.com/show/13371/the-msi-b450-tomahawk-motherboard-review

$110

https://www.newegg.com/p/pl?d=z490

$200+

You're comparing a last-gen budget chipset board with a current-gen high-end chipset board. I'm not even going to comment on this.

4 minutes ago, BlueScope819 said:

I have an 8700k. It has a TDP of 65W. This does not. It is a pre-overclocked 8700k in essence, with much higher turbos, causing much higher power draw. It has a 125W TDP.

If you were willing to spend a few seconds to look up the 8700K, you would've noticed that it's rated for a 95W TDP (source).

Regardless of that though, TDP does not equal actual power draw fyi.

6 minutes ago, BlueScope819 said:

See above.

I saw no competent arguments.

[Mateyyy]

21 minutes ago, BlueScope819 said:

Overclocking isn't required on AMD cpus in order to get the most out of your CPU, as PBO works just fine.

PBO is technically still overclocking. And I wouldn't run a 3900X with PBO on any B450 board without direct cooling on the VRM heatsinks, even on a B450 Tomahawk (or the other boards sharing almost the same power delivery - Gaming Pro Carbon, Mortar, Gaming Plus, A Pro, and some X470 boards).

21 minutes ago, BlueScope819 said:

You need z490 to run a 10600k while being able to OC.

You can remove the power limit on a B460 board just as well as you can on Z490. Here's a B460 board which can run not a 10600K but a 10900K unlocked: https://youtu.be/jZe_VC4i3wk?t=334

21 minutes ago, BlueScope819 said:

Also, nice upgrade path you have yourself there :)

I never said that Z490 has a better upgrade path than X570/B550, but regardless, it supports Comet Lake now and will support Rocket Lake whenever that launches. Not that that's going to be too exciting of a launch most likely, but still.

AM4 does indeed offer a better upgradability path and I think that can be pretty much unanimously agreed upon. 

[Mateyyy]

1 hour ago, BlueScope819 said:

Also, who said anything about direct cooling on VRMs?

Bad wording on my part, I meant to say active cooling - so either flipping the top fans to run them as intakes (which isn't optimal for airflow in the vast majority of cases) or zip tying a tiny fan onto the VRM heatsinks, because even with a B450 Tomahawk, for a PBO 3900X or 3950X you'll want to have air constantly going through those heatsinks.

[dizmo]

3 hours ago, BlueScope819 said:

You are spending $100 more on the CPU and $100 more on the motherboard, at that point you can get a 3700x so its not comparing the 3600 to the 10600k its the 3700x to the 10600k, and sure you can take your extra 5% frames in games if you want to be the cause of global warming, it draws so much power. Games are rapidly becoming more multi threaded so it will get better with time. Also they could just wait for the 4600 or 4700x as you said.

You realize the 10600k still beats the 3700x when it comes to games, right?

Hell, in games the 3300x isn't that far behind the 3700x.

More performance is more performance. You're telling him to spend more on a chip that nets him nothing, so what sense does that make?

 

Ha, ha, ha. It's not that bad, and doesn't draw that much more power. Have you not seen any of the tests that show it pulls more briefly and then drops back down?

Clearly not. Maybe you should look into things before spouting off incorrect facts.

 

As for upgrade paths that you commented in your reply to @Mateyyy, Z490 has a better upgrade path, at least in terms of how long it'll be supported; this is the end for AM4. At least with the Intel board you can upgrade to next gen's CPUs. But really, it's a moot point either way, since going up one gen is never worth upgrading to.

[freeagent]

How did this thread go from asking to recommend an Intel cooler to guys telling him Intel sucks and go buy an AMD? 

 

My vote for 50 bucks goes to the Thermalright True Spirit 140 Power, if your case can take 170mm. You get all the quality and performance of a D14/15, but for the price of a 212.

[Doc Huckleberry]

5 hours ago, freeagent said:

How did this thread go from asking to recommend an Intel cooler to guys telling him Intel sucks and go buy an AMD? 

 

My vote for 50 bucks goes to the Thermalright True Spirit 140 Power, if your case can take 170mm. You get all the quality and performance of a D14/15, but for the price of a 212.

Cool I will check out rgw Thermalright True Spirit 140 Power as well 

[Zberg]

6 hours ago, freeagent said:

How did this thread go from asking to recommend an Intel cooler to guys telling him Intel sucks and go buy an AMD? 

You have been on this forum before right?

 

You could literally say "was gifted 10900k and mobo, what cooler should I get" and get barraged with "but why arent you going RYZEN?! More cores!  Better value!!!"  Group-think man, its a B.