3900x vs 9900x Is there any point in going quad channel/INTEL?

[xg32]

On 6/26/2020 at 3:02 PM, Wizwerd said:

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Gonna try and keep this short, it looks like you are trying to minmax for gaming performance, i'd just straight up recommend a 10700k with a z490 apex with 2 ram slots if i had to build a gaming rig right now. Buy some cl14 2x16gb b-die and oc it as far as you can. That's actually the fastest gaming rig you can put together atm.

 

Though my recommendation if you have a serviceable pc atm is to wait for zen 3 (if you want more cores) and ampere. Would not recommend any non-xt zen 2 or any of the current hedt intel chips for new builds this late into the cycle. A 20% ipc bump from amd would completely put intel in the dirt. I'm currently waiting on a 16core zen 3.

 

 

[schaft2]

Just bought RDR2 last week. The 5700 XT were bought 3 months ago under corona lockup in my country. 

In my opinion your build can still worth to upgrade. Try using used xeon ES or QS cpu that your x99 motherboard can take. I got my E5 2667 V4 ES for US$177 including shipping on 2018 (my first test is E5 2628L V4 ES 1,7GHz for $87).I think my xeon E5-2667 V4 ES 3GHz works just fine with 5700 xt (mostly above 95% gpu utilization). RDR2 is heavy on gpu and easy on cpu. I build my pc in 2017 just for fun (a bit experimenting with ES cpu). I am unlucky as 6 months after I bought my first E5, amd released their 8c16threads cheap cpu. 

 

For what I see through others build with dual channel ram, the performance is not much difference. The only difference I can say is my reference gpu with basic standard clock can perform similar with those 5700 XT non reference, which is not much. In my opinion, the most you can get benefit from quad channel is around 5 fps compared those with dual channel standard build. In my opinion, the game developer is too lazy to optimized the quad channel (heck they only optimized 8+ thread starting 2016 ever since Battlefield 1 which only can use 12 threads at that time). I rarely see my cpu goes above 70%, mostly 50%. 

 

Well I have my fun with my low budget build, I don't think it perform much different for gaming

PS:

"RDR2 (I get about 120-140 fps on average)" really? wow and i though 2080 Ti can only get 90+ fps on 1080p according to this link (he's using i9-9900K)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b-SDqTAP7TY

well i guess you have your own answer :D

[Wizwerd]

On 7/4/2020 at 7:59 AM, schaft2 said:

Just bought RDR2 last week. The 5700 XT were bought 3 months ago under corona lockup in my country. 

In my opinion your build can still worth to upgrade. Try using used xeon ES or QS cpu that your x99 motherboard can take. I got my E5 2667 V4 ES for US$177 including shipping on 2018 (my first test is E5 2628L V4 ES 1,7GHz for $87).I think my xeon E5-2667 V4 ES 3GHz works just fine with 5700 xt (mostly above 95% gpu utilization). RDR2 is heavy on gpu and easy on cpu. I build my pc in 2017 just for fun (a bit experimenting with ES cpu). I am unlucky as 6 months after I bought my first E5, amd released their 8c16threads cheap cpu. 

 

For what I see through others build with dual channel ram, the performance is not much difference. The only difference I can say is my reference gpu with basic standard clock can perform similar with those 5700 XT non reference, which is not much. In my opinion, the most you can get benefit from quad channel is around 5 fps compared those with dual channel standard build. In my opinion, the game developer is too lazy to optimized the quad channel (heck they only optimized 8+ thread starting 2016 ever since Battlefield 1 which only can use 12 threads at that time). I rarely see my cpu goes above 70%, mostly 50%. 

 

Well I have my fun with my low budget build, I don't think it perform much different for gaming

PS:

"RDR2 (I get about 120-140 fps on average)" really? wow and i though 2080 Ti can only get 90+ fps on 1080p according to this link (he's using i9-9900K)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b-SDqTAP7TY

well i guess you have your own answer

fps is entirely dependent on which settings you have enabled.  120-165 was when I first started playing the game and I have since tweaked the settings to be aesthetically pleasing and performance optimal.  Its gone down to 70-90 in towns and will bump up to 165 when the game's paused.

 

On 6/28/2020 at 8:17 PM, xg32 said:

Gonna try and keep this short, it looks like you are trying to minmax for gaming performance, i'd just straight up recommend a 10700k with a z490 apex with 2 ram slots if i had to build a gaming rig right now. Buy some cl14 2x16gb b-die and oc it as far as you can. That's actually the fastest gaming rig you can put together atm.

 

Though my recommendation if you have a serviceable pc atm is to wait for zen 3 (if you want more cores) and ampere. Would not recommend any non-xt zen 2 or any of the current hedt intel chips for new builds this late into the cycle. A 20% ipc bump from amd would completely put intel in the dirt. I'm currently waiting on a 16core zen 3.

 

 

Ya I actually just ordered a 10700k / ASUS z490 gaming E.  Seems to be the best for performance/price as far as gaming is concerned right now.  AMD is tempting but I think I would prefer the higher clock speeds with fewer cores than the extra cores that won't be used in 99% of games.  Honestly I couldn't name a single title that uses more than 8 cores.  cl14 b die's are basically non existent at the higher frequency ranges.  I'm fine with my current 3600 freq cl 18's atm.  The price point was good enough for me.  

 

I'm not gonna wait for ampere as they're going to sell out immediately and the 3080 TI won't be released at least for a month after the initial launch.  We don't know how much they're going to charge but I'm going to assume at least $1200 or more.  I'm fine with my current 2080 TI atm, I can wait until late next year to get a 3080 TI anyway.