On the fence for a new cpu and motherboard

[XHD600X]

Due to some limitations of my current CPU I'm looking to upgrade, I want to go ryzen and be upgrade proof for the 4000 series.

Currently I'm sporting an Intel i5 7640x (running a stable overclock on 5.2ghz with liquid metal) with an Asus Rog Rampage VI Apex motherboard. 32 gigs of 2666mhz ram and a GTX 1080.

The ram etc. I would take over into the new build, but my concern is with my motherboard. It's an expensive X299 board (got it really cheap) and I don't want that to go to waste tbh so I would keep it..

For the Ryzen I would go for an Asus TUF B450-Pro gaming and an 3600. Since my knowledge about AMD is scarce (I used AMD back in the FX era, haven't kept up that much) at the moment I would love to know if a 3600X would make a better combination (I do like to overclock lol)

 

thanks in advance!

[XHD600X]

Just now, BlueScope819 said:

Amd doesn't really overclock that well because it's tuned almost perfectly out of the gate. I think your fine with your current rig tbh.

That is the thing, my rig is pretty good. But i'm starting to notice the lack of hyperthreading. Buddy of mine has an 3600 and has better performance in the same workloads and games.

[Mateyyy]

6 minutes ago, XHD600X said:

For the Ryzen I would go for an Asus TUF B450-Pro gaming and an 3600. Since my knowledge about AMD is scarce (I used AMD back in the FX era, haven't kept up that much) at the moment I would love to know if a 3600X would make a better combination (I do like to overclock lol)

With Zen 2 particularly you don't have a whole lot of overclocking headroom in the first place, and that motherboard's definitely not going to help, it's fairly weak in terms of power delivery. For a B450, I'd look for an MSI B450 Mortar Max or Tomahawk Max instead (the "Max" means they're ready for Ryzen 3000 out of the box).

 

That being said, I wouldn't want to let that high-end of a motherboard go to waste either. Unless you're only gaming on your PC, I'd check prices for some Cascade Lake-X or Skylake-X parts first. Maybe you can find a decent deal on say for example a 9900X, which will offer drastically more multi-threaded performance over your i5, and with enough cooling you should be able to get some pretty good single-core performance out of it too.

If you're only gaming though, then yeah you might be better off going with a Ryzen 3600, or maybe waiting for Zen 3 later this year. 

[XHD600X]

2 minutes ago, Mateyyy said:

With Zen 2 particularly you don't have a whole lot of overclocking headroom in the first place, and that motherboard's definitely not going to help, it's fairly weak in terms of power delivery. For a B450, I'd look for an MSI B450 Mortar Max or Tomahawk Max instead (the "Max" means they're ready for Ryzen 3000 out of the box).

 

That being said, I wouldn't want to let that high-end of a motherboard go to waste either. Unless you're only gaming on your PC, I'd check prices for some Cascade Lake-X or Skylake-X parts first. Maybe you can find a decent deal on say for example a 9900X, which will offer drastically more multi-threaded performance over your i5, and with enough cooling you should be able to get some pretty good single-core performance out of it too.

If you're only gaming though, then yeah you might be better off going with a Ryzen 3600, or maybe waiting for Zen 3 later this year. 

Gaming is one of the things that is on the list, but due to covid I'm stuck working at home. Running pretty beefy tasks. I may look into the option of buying a 9900x or something. thanks!

[Albal_156]

How did end up buying an i5 7640X? Its a pretty weird CPU if I'm honest. But yeah I'd look into a Cascade Lake-X or Skylake X part if you can. Cascade Lake is more readily available and hasn't been discontinued yet so I'd go with that since its also half the price of the Skylake-X parts.

[Haro]

13 minutes ago, XHD600X said:

The ram etc. I would take over into the new build, but my concern is with my motherboard. It's an expensive X299 board (got it really cheap) and I don't want that to go to waste tbh so I would keep it..

If you want ( and I recommend this ) don't switch your platform just yet 

2066 while a dead platform is still decent and there are options like the 10900xe that would be really good especially if you like to work with AVX it's FPU is really good and it's really good got that 

15 minutes ago, XHD600X said:

For the Ryzen I would go for an Asus TUF B450-Pro gaming and an 3600. Since my knowledge about AMD is scarce (I used AMD back in the FX era, haven't kept up that much) at the moment I would love to know if a 3600X would make a better combination (I do like to overclock lol)

Enabling pbo for ryzen is the best you can do 

Ocing already isn't something that is beneficial to ryzen 

[Morgan MLGman]

First of all, 4C/4T CPU on X299 - ugh... Second, that B450 TUF board that you mentioned is quite bad for its price. Look at MSI's B450 offerings, they have better VRM.

Also, considering your current platform maybe just buy a CPU with more cores that slots into your current X299 rig?

[XHD600X]

7 minutes ago, Albal_156 said:

How did end up buying an i5 7640X? Its a pretty weird CPU if I'm honest. But yeah I'd look into a Cascade Lake-X or Skylake X part if you can. Cascade Lake is more readily available and hasn't been discontinued yet so I'd go with that since its also half the price of the Skylake-X parts.

Ended up with it in the deal. Got the cpu with that motherboard for free so decided to use it at first. Never ended up buying an 7900x for it lol. That's why I'm regretting that now.

7 minutes ago, TofuHaroto said:

If you want ( and I recommend this ) don't switch your platform just yet 

2066 while a dead platform is still decent and there are options like the 10900xe that would be really good especially if you like to work with AVX it's FPU is really good and it's really good got that 

Enabling pbo for ryzen is the best you can do 

Ocing already isn't something that is beneficial to ryzen 

I'm now looking for an 9800X, can't break the bank right now due to Corona. But i do need something decent and that is better than my current cpu. 

[Haro]

1 minute ago, XHD600X said:

I'm now looking for an 9800X, can't break the bank right now due to Corona. But i do need something decent and that is better than my current cpu. 

Don't switch to pga1331 

This is still a decent platform the 9800x is an odd ball how much does the 10900x go for ? (Where you live )

Edited June 11, 2020 by TofuHaroto

[XHD600X]

Just now, Morgan MLGman said:

First of all, 4C/4T CPU on X299 - ugh... Second, that B450 TUF board that you mentioned is quite bad for its price. Look at MSI's B450 offerings, they have better VRM.

Also, considering your current platform maybe just buy a CPU with more cores that slots into your current X299 rig?

The i5 was a pretty fun overclocker but seeing it's limitations now already lol. Like said in the previous post, not looking to break the bank but need somethign quickly

[Albal_156]

Im regretting my board choice now if Im honest as well. X470 Taichi has really bad support for memory on top of my Zen+ 2700X. Just found out that I have modules made by two different DRAM manufacturers. Two are B-die and the other two are CJR. Ughhhh.

[XHD600X]

Just now, TofuHaroto said:

Don't switch to pga1331 

This is still a decent platform the 9800x is an odd ball how much does the 10900x go for ? (Where you live )

the 9800x goes for 375 euros, the 10900x goes for 650 euros. living in the Netherlands btw.

[Haro]

Just now, Albal_156 said:

X470 Taichi has really bad support for memory on top of my Zen+ 2700X.

The taichi ?!

It's a really good board you didn't make anything wrong the reason why you probably don't get as good of an oc is probably because of the imc

[Morgan MLGman]

Just now, XHD600X said:

The i5 was a pretty fun overclocker but seeing it's limitations now already lol. Like said in the previous post, not looking to break the bank but need somethign quickly

Honestly you really should consider buying a used X299 chip with more cores for the time being. If not, what B450 boards are available for you to buy instead of that ASUS TUF one? The only TUF board that's worth buying for AMD at the moment is the X570 one.

[Haro]

Just now, XHD600X said:

the 9800x goes for 375 euros, the 10900x goes for 650 euros. living in the Netherlands btw.

Oh that's a bad deal lol 

The 9800x is decent it's one of the oddball cpus for coffee lake x 

But should be decent and that price isn't bad for it either 

[Haro]

Just now, Morgan MLGman said:

The only TUF board that's worth buying for AMD at the moment is the X570 one.

This is pretty much the case 

But there are some other compelling options aswell like the prime x570-p 

While not good value compared to the tuf it's still pretty decent

 

[Albal_156]

2 minutes ago, TofuHaroto said:

The taichi ?!

It's a really good board you didn't make anything wrong the reason why you probably don't get as good of an oc is probably because of the imc

Im gonna get Zen 3 after it launches and hopefully my speed will improve but my board doesn't support higher speeds either, despite getting 3200MHz on two DIMMS before.

[Haro]

1 minute ago, Albal_156 said:

Im gonna get Zen 3 after it launches and hopefully my speed will improve but my board doesn't support higher speeds either, despite getting 3200MHz on two DIMMS before.

Weird I have never seen bad experiences with it up until now 

(Excluding the z490 one which is meh )

[XHD600X]

Just now, TofuHaroto said:

This is pretty much the case 

But there are some other compelling options aswell like the prime x570-p 

While not good value compared to the tuf it's still pretty decent

 

Just noticed that the 9800x is not in stock in all of the stores I know. I selected the TUF board because I know Asus is pretty decent with Intel. The other option is that I buy a Ryzen base right now and upgrade my X299 later when the 10920x is getting cheaper. It's fairly easy to get rid of a cpu and mobo combination than only an expensive motherboard.

Any recomendations on good boards? Trying to keep the set under 350 euros.

[Haro]

4 minutes ago, XHD600X said:

It's fairly easy to get rid of a cpu and mobo combination than only an expensive motherboard.

Look for maybe a used kaby lake chip 

Not the odd ones like the one you have but the 7900x which is Practically a 9900x or a 10700x

[Albal_156]

Hmmmm. 7900X would be really hot though compared to the 9000 series or the 10000 series. Unless you like delidding your CPU. Unless thats just the 7980XE.

[XHD600X]

1 minute ago, Albal_156 said:

Hmmmm. 7900X would be really hot though compared to the 9000 series or the 10000 series. Unless you like delidding your CPU.

Delidded and did liquid metal on my current one. So I'm not afraid of doing that. 

 

How about the

MSI B450 Gaming PRO Carbon AC

or the MSI B450 Tomahawk max

[Albal_156]

The Tomahawk Max would be a good choice though the B450M Mortar has two M.2 slots. Though I'd want the much better PCIe connectivity. PCIe Gen 2 is kinda slow really. I'd maybe stick with Intel.

[Nena Trinity]

I would keep what you have unless the performance is lacking, why not buy shiny new GPU or more RGB fans swoosh! :3

[Haro]

8 minutes ago, Albal_156 said:

Hmmmm. 7900X would be really hot though compared to the 9000 series or the 10000 series. Unless you like delidding your CPU. Unless thats just the 7980XE.

No not really 

Same ipc count same cache layout just a little worse imc and Lower clocks