Considering A Refurbished PSU... Should I?

[jkidd]

Hey, everyone -

 

Because I'm trying to keep my current build to under $1,000, I'm looking for all kinds of deals and savings that I can find. Here is my build: https://pcpartpicker.com/user/joshuamkidd/saved/rcqW3C

 

I came across a refurbished 750 watt power supply by DELL that is listed for only $20.99: https://www.dell.com/en-us/work/shop/dell-refurbished-750-watt-power-factor-correction-power-supply/apd/mg309/computer-chassis-components

 

Some tech. friends thought that as long as it had matching cables, connectors, and components, it should work with my build.

 

What do you think? Buy or pass?

 

- jkidd

[Viper9]

You don't wanna make the mistake of buying a cheap unreliable PSU, so pass.

 

Get a brand new EVGA or Corsair 80+ bronze rated PSU and you'll be good to go. 

[MasudRana]

1 minute ago, jkidd said:

Hey, everyone -

 

Because I'm trying to keep my current build to under $1,000, I'm looking for all kinds of deals and savings that I can find. Here is my build: https://pcpartpicker.com/user/joshuamkidd/saved/rcqW3C

 

I came across a refurbished 750 watt power supply by DELL that is listed for only $20.99: https://www.dell.com/en-us/work/shop/dell-refurbished-750-watt-power-factor-correction-power-supply/apd/mg309/computer-chassis-components

 

Some tech. friends thought that as long as it had matching cables, connectors, and components, it should work with my build.

 

What do you think? Buy or pass?

 

- jkidd

Hi. I saw you have listed dvd writer, if you don't need much I think you can delete and invest on new PSU. There can be any repair things inside of the used psu ( I don't know though just wondering) also never experienced old psu. 

[aisle9]

4 minutes ago, jkidd said:

Hey, everyone -

 

Because I'm trying to keep my current build to under $1,000, I'm looking for all kinds of deals and savings that I can find. Here is my build: https://pcpartpicker.com/user/joshuamkidd/saved/rcqW3C

 

I came across a refurbished 750 watt power supply by DELL that is listed for only $20.99: https://www.dell.com/en-us/work/shop/dell-refurbished-750-watt-power-factor-correction-power-supply/apd/mg309/computer-chassis-components

 

Some tech. friends thought that as long as it had matching cables, connectors, and components, it should work with my build.

 

What do you think? Buy or pass?

 

- jkidd

That's a BTX power supply. It won't fit in an ATX case. It's thicker than the PSU mount.

 

Also, it's at least 12-13 years old.

[narrdarr]

agreed

 

and some other things

Why do you need 64 gb ram?

You can get a window 10 key for way cheaper

Office 360 might be a better choice

[nick name]

In a recent Gamers Nexus video I got the impression people RMA PSUs for reasons that aren't actually related to the PSU's performance or actual failings.  Though if you get an actual bad one it probably won't be fun.  

[nick name]

6 minutes ago, aisle9 said:

That's a BTX power supply. It won't fit in an ATX case. It's thicker than the PSU mount.

 

Also, it's at least 12-13 years old.

Yeah, I decided to go look at it too and that thing isn't going to work for you.  

[Boomwebsearch]

47 minutes ago, jkidd said:

Hey, everyone -

 

Because I'm trying to keep my current build to under $1,000, I'm looking for all kinds of deals and savings that I can find. Here is my build: https://pcpartpicker.com/user/joshuamkidd/saved/rcqW3C

 

I came across a refurbished 750 watt power supply by DELL that is listed for only $20.99: https://www.dell.com/en-us/work/shop/dell-refurbished-750-watt-power-factor-correction-power-supply/apd/mg309/computer-chassis-components

 

Some tech. friends thought that as long as it had matching cables, connectors, and components, it should work with my build.

 

What do you think? Buy or pass?

 

- jkidd

 

Seven-hundred-and-fifty watts is overkill for this system, that is not even a decent PSU even if it wasn't refurbished/used, and it won't fit in an ATX case since it is a BTX power supply.

 

Get an at least somewhat decent power supply (even these are on the lower end although should be a ton better than that Dell one even if you managed to make it work with your case):

 

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/XCjG3C/evga-power-supply-100w10500kr

 

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/6rc48d/corsair-vs-450w-80-certified-atx-power-supply-cp-9020170-na

 

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/Wbhj4D/thermaltake-smart-500w-80-certified-atx-power-supply-ps-spd-0500npcwus-w

 

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/xDMwrH/evga-br-450w-80-bronze-certified-atx-power-supply-100-br-0450-k1

[jkidd]

I was advised by a techie friend/professional that I needed at least 750 watts to ensure that I had enough power, especially when all of the computer parts are on and running.

 

- jkidd

[seon123]

37 minutes ago, jkidd said:

I was advised by a techie friend/professional that I needed at least 750 watts to ensure that I had enough power, especially when all of the computer parts are on and running.

 

- jkidd

No, you don't need a 750W PSU to power a 300W PC. Get a decent 450-550W PSU instead

[Hilltrot]

3 hours ago, jkidd said:

Here is my build: https://pcpartpicker.com/user/joshuamkidd/saved/rcqW3C

You need a motherboard.

 

If you're going to pay retail get the full Windows and not the EOM version.

[Hilltrot]

44 minutes ago, jkidd said:

I was advised by a techie friend/professional that I needed at least 750 watts to ensure that I had enough power, especially when all of the computer parts are on and running.

 

- jkidd

Very few computers need a 750w power supply.

[Hilltrot]

4 hours ago, jkidd said:

I came across a refurbished 750 watt power supply by DELL that is listed for only $20.99: https://www.dell.com/en-us/work/shop/dell-refurbished-750-watt-power-factor-correction-power-supply/apd/mg309/computer-chassis-components

That is a Dell replacement power supply - meant for a Dell.  It will be relatively noisy.  The cable may not reach or be sufficient.  It has no certification or warranty.  In short - it sucks.  It looks like you're not poverty stricken.  Up your budget a little.

 

https://www.evga.com/products/product.aspx?pn=100-W1-0500-KR

 

There $35 after rebate.  3-year warranty.

[nick name]

18 minutes ago, Hilltrot said:

You need a motherboard.

 

If you're going to pay retail get the full Windows and not the EOM version.

Buy a Windows key on eBay.  Spend less than $20.  

[Hilltrot]

1 hour ago, nick name said:

Buy a Windows key on eBay.  Spend less than $20.  

I’m not going to do that.  I’m not that scuzzy.  Plus the single retail Windows I bought in 2009 has lasted me through 10 builds.  

[-rascal-]

3 hours ago, jkidd said:

I was advised by a techie friend/professional that I needed at least 750 watts to ensure that I had enough power, especially when all of the computer parts are on and running.

 

- jkidd

 

Well whoever this techie guy is, he's not that familiar with PCs...

 

I was able to run a power hungry FX-8350 @ 4.8/4.9 GHz with two overclocked video cards, and that only peaked at around 670W.

This was a couple years ago.

 

Your Ryzen system with a single RTX 2070 Super is going to be under 400W.

Adding a second RTX 2070 Super, and you would still be under 750W.

 

A decent quality 500W ~ 550W will be plenty already.

If you *WANT*, you could get a 600W ~ 650W.

(e.g. in some situations, the 650W version might be on sale & cheaper than the 550W variant)

 

On another note:

1. May I ask what is the purpose of 64GB of RAM, instead of 16GB or 32GB?
2. I would recommend the Fractal Design Meshify S2, over the Focus G...if you want to stick with a Fractal Design case
3. As for the SSD, I'd pay an extra $10 ~ $15 for an ADATA SU750 512GB, or Crucial MX500 500GB...over the WD Green drive

 

[aisle9]

2 hours ago, Hilltrot said:

That is a Dell replacement power supply - meant for a Dell.  It will be relatively noisy.  The cable may not reach or be sufficient.  It has no certification or warranty.  In short - it sucks.  It looks like you're not poverty stricken.  Up your budget a little.

There's nothing proprietary about it at all. It's just a form factor no one's Dell stopped using in 2007. I've powered plenty of ATX PCs with BTX PSUs before when the case allowed for it or a tester was needed, and that includes PSUs from Dell. They're all made by the same few companies anyway, then given a Dell label. That one's probably made by Delta.

 

At the heart of it, a PSU is a PSU is a PSU. Dell, HP, whoever might do funky things with the pinout to try and keep you from (gasp!) replacing their PSU and upgrading the system, but once a $5 adapter is in place, a PSU is a PSU is a PSU.

[Hilltrot]

7 minutes ago, aisle9 said:

There's nothing proprietary about it at all. It's just a form factor no one's Dell stopped using in 2007. I've powered plenty of ATX PCs with BTX PSUs before when the case allowed for it or a tester was needed, and that includes PSUs from Dell. They're all made by the same few companies anyway, then given a Dell label. That one's probably made by Delta.

 

At the heart of it, a PSU is a PSU is a PSU. Dell, HP, whoever might do funky things with the pinout to try and keep you from (gasp!) replacing their PSU and upgrading the system, but once a $5 adapter is in place, a PSU is a PSU is a PSU.

Are you recommending he purchase this PSU - Yes or no?

[aisle9]

2 minutes ago, Hilltrot said:

Are you recommending he purchase this PSU - Yes or no?

Oh hell no. I said that way earlier in the thread. Nor would I recommend anyone spend $35 on that ancient EVGA white unit in 2020. This was responding to you saying it was made for a Dell. Dell offering a surplus PSU for sale doesn't mean it only works with Dell PCs.

[Letgomyleghoe]

7 hours ago, narrdarr said:

Office 360 might be a better choice

Or just buy a cheap windows 10 pro key on ebay

[Mooshi]

5 hours ago, jkidd said:

I was advised by a techie friend/professional that I needed at least 750 watts to ensure that I had enough power, especially when all of the computer parts are on and running.

 

- jkidd

A system running an i7 or Ryzen equivalent and single high end card uses around 400w MAX. 

 

You only grab a 750w unit for a single card set up if you got a good deal on it, not because it was needed.

[Vi Veri Veniversum Vivus V]

10 hours ago, jkidd said:

Hey, everyone -

 

Because I'm trying to keep my current build to under $1,000, I'm looking for all kinds of deals and savings that I can find. Here is my build: https://pcpartpicker.com/user/joshuamkidd/saved/rcqW3C

 

I came across a refurbished 750 watt power supply by DELL that is listed for only $20.99: https://www.dell.com/en-us/work/shop/dell-refurbished-750-watt-power-factor-correction-power-supply/apd/mg309/computer-chassis-components

 

Some tech. friends thought that as long as it had matching cables, connectors, and components, it should work with my build.

 

What do you think? Buy or pass?

 

- jkidd

Don't
DELL is OEM and does not have +80 & Garanties if your local power goes out and fries your components with it

[Quadriplegic]

Why 64GB of RAM? 
Why 2 Windows licenses?
Why $100 for 2TB HDD?
 

PCPartPicker Part List

Type	Item	Price
CPU	AMD Ryzen 5 3600 3.6 GHz 6-Core Processor	$172.76 @ Walmart
Motherboard	MSI B450 TOMAHAWK MAX ATX AM4 Motherboard	$114.99 @ Best Buy
Memory	G.Skill Ripjaws V Series 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR4-3200 Memory	$138.99 @ Newegg
Storage	Western Digital Green 480 GB 2.5" Solid State Drive	$54.99 @ Newegg
Storage	Seagate Barracuda Compute 2 TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive	$54.98 @ Newegg
Video Card	Gigabyte GeForce RTX 2070 SUPER 8 GB WINDFORCE OC 3X Video Card	$499.99 @ B&H
Case	Fractal Design Focus G ATX Mid Tower Case	$62.98 @ Newegg
Power Supply	be quiet! Pure Power 11 600 W 80+ Gold Certified ATX Power Supply	$79.90 @ B&H
	Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts
	Total	$1179.58
	Generated by PCPartPicker 2020-04-29 03:54 EDT-0400

This brings you far closer to your $1000 limit

[nick name]

12 hours ago, Hilltrot said:

I’m not going to do that.  I’m not that scuzzy.  Plus the single retail Windows I bought in 2009 has lasted me through 10 builds.  

There's nothing wrong with buying someone's extra OEM keys.  But if you have a key then no need to buy another. 

[featherwolf]

I would say check the local used market on Craigslist or whatever, but that's a tricky proposition during a pandemic...

 

That said, you can find better deals than that power supply. Find one from a reputable, non-oem, company like EVGA, ThermalTake, Seasonic. I don't personally think it's risky to buy one used, but you should try to figure out just how old it is. If it's more than 5 years, I would strongly advise against. Power supplies that are designed to be system specific will often use cheaper components, not be as stable (especially if you are overclocking), and use proprietary or limited form factors/ connectors. Check out the Scrapyard Wars series' from LTT for examples of the challenges of building a hodge-podge PC. But in the end, I don't see any issues with buying used.