CHEAP as possible 16/32+ Core/Thread old server parts?

[toxsickcity]

Hey all,

 

I use a Ryzen First Gen 1700 8c cpu with 3x GTX 1070

for blender rendering.

 

I would like to know if there is a solution using old server parts that would give me fairly high 3.5ghz speed but with MANY Cores.. Ideally I would love a Threadripper 32c. but costs too much.

 

cheap is the idea here!! If anyone has any recommendations for what to look for, specific Xeon Processor models, certain main boards I would greatly appreciate.

if the cost VS a threadripper system would be higher let me know too.

 

My currently idea is eventually swap to 1950X (cheapest option.. for 16c ($800 or so)

otherwise sell the ryzen and mobo for like 250 ish$ add to $800 gives me 1050$ to play with

are there any quad Processor Xeon boards? cheap enough to do like 32 cores?

 

MHZ is a big deal.. sort of, blender is great in multi threaded, but.. Calculations for hair, textures (scene processing for each frame) the moment which for my current scene takes about 10 seconds to process before the render blocks start rendering, slower clocked processors take much longer due to this part usually being only 1-2 maybe few more cores...

 

Would be interested to see whats available, cannot wait for replies :)

cheers fellow enthusiasts

[Streetguru]

9 minutes ago, toxsickcity said:

 

Going by this testing using a CPU and GPU(s) at the same time for blender isn't really worth it.

 

Wouldn't go with an older platform either, as who knows how long the motherboard has to live with aging caps.

If anything just build a second system in the future with more GPUs.

 

 

[GoldenLag]

https://www.newegg.com/p/N82E16819113467?Description=epyc&cm_re=epyc-_-19-113-467-_-Product

 

https://www.newegg.com/p/N82E16819113469?Description=epyc&cm_re=epyc-_-19-113-469-_-Product

 

epyc 1st gen is suprisingly tempting actually. 

 

tho honestly, with old serverparts you will allways sacrifise clock speed. 

[toxsickcity]

Hi

 

Blender has come a long way, for my experiences. on multiple systems I have seen GPU/CPU work well

 

On my system I am using to write this forum post (1x GTX 1070 and i7 8700K) 6/12 Core/Thread Processor

 

23.42 Seconds Using GPU and CPU with tile size 32x32 Time of 23.39 Seconds

32.83 Seconds Using GPU Only. 32x32 Blocks (Not ideal but new compiler works much better with small blocks) 

28.97 Seconds Using GPU Only. 256x256 Blocks (Not ideal but new compiler works much better with small blocks) 

39.22 Seconds CPU Only 32x32 Blocks

 

It's not so bad!!!

[toxsickcity]

Thanks for the replies

 

I just had a quick look I have seen that there are some 8c xeons 2011-3 with 3.4ghz or so clock. 

there are also 10c and 12c but much lower clock.

 

maybe a dual 8c xeon

or quad 8c xeon :):)

[toxsickcity]

Dell Dual Socket 2011-3

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Dell-Precision-T7910-Dual-Socket-LGA2011-v3-Motherboard-0215PR/223600296593?epid=19008918389&hash=item340f9dc291:g:9cMAAOSwJPVdObKH

Edit(wrong Link)

 

2011-3 2630

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Intel-Xeon-E5-2630v3-8-Core-2-4GHz-3-2GHz-LGA2011-3-CPU-SR206/223534862801?hash=item340bb751d1:g:cjIAAOSwDOZdI0b1

[Enderman]

Cores and MHz is not all that matters...

A 15 year old 3GHz CPU doesn't even compare to a current gen 3GHz CPU.

[toxsickcity]

yeah for sure.. i fully understand that eg: the old 3930K at 4ghz vs a 8700K at 4GHZ big big big difference!!!

[toxsickcity]

https://cpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Intel-Xeon-E5-2630-v3-vs-AMD-Ryzen-7-1700/m22651vs3917

 

single OC thread 93 vs 114 (I have seen this performance index is fairly accurate for blender use!)

93 isnt so bad..

if I get run 4 of these processors.... WOW! 32c 64t

[X-System]

For Xeon E5 v3, take E5-2667 v3 (8c/16t at 3.2GHz base / 3.6GHz turbo), it cost ~250$ per CPU on eBay.

 

When to run all cores of E5-2667 v3, it run at 3.39GHz. I checked it in performance tab (task manager)

[toxsickcity]

Nice, thanks for weighing in!

you actually are running this setup, DUAL XEONv3's 

 

do you find it stable? any setup issues?

drivers ever cause issues? (Can it run windows 10 PRO Fine?)

nvidia graphics works well? (you use the 2080)

does the system game? (Tried any games on your 2080?)

Have you tried multiple GPUs? (you use the 2080)

 

I am asking to sense if the system is able to run like a regular system?

[toxsickcity]

I Am thinking all about the costs for systems, and possible power consumption. Something I have kind of disregarded!

 

to get 16c/32t The 3950X 4.X Base / 4.7Ghz Boost at $750 USD

at 140Watts... for 16 cores / 32 threads swap CPU... for my ryzen

 

vs...

 

maybe
4x Intel® Xeon® Processor E5-1650 v3    Launched    Q3'14    6    3.80 GHz    3.50 GHz    15 MB SmartCache
at $150 USD ea on ebay. ($600 or so) + Ram + Mobo... Might be alot!

 

that would give me 24c/48t at 3.5GHZ Base / 3.8GHZ Boost

BUT..... 600WATTS of energy consumption for the 4 processors.

I forgot about that   

 

here in AUSTRALIA energy is like 35c /KWh

energy price matters. it would add up..

 

But there is part of me wants to see a QUAD CPU system here!!! haha

 

I need to research mainboards..

[X-System]

It works perfect, 100% stable and it runs Windows 10 Pro x64 perfect

 

And I play the games without problem (I played Quake II RTX with Global Illumination setting at High, it's pretty and it runs 37~45 FPS @ 2560x1440). For games non-RTX, it runs very smoothly with RTX 2080 SUPER.

 

And I have not tried yet multiple GPUs, I don't have money enough to buy a 2nd RTX 2080 SUPER card.

 

This system is able to run like a regular system if you don't worry about seeing your electric meter running fast ;-D

[toxsickcity]

HAHA,

Nice. thanks for the comments..

It would be an exciting avenue

Hey can you tell me, does Windows power settings...  as attached, allow you to throttle cpu speed by adjust max %?

 

also would you kindly download throttlestop, does it run? does it let you do anything useful? or is it for desktop chips only?

[X-System]

7 minutes ago, toxsickcity said:

maybe

4x Intel® Xeon® Processor E5-1650 v3    Launched    Q3'14    6    3.80 GHz    3.50 GHz    15 MB SmartCache

Xeon E5-1xxx = 1 CPU maxi

Xeon E5-2xxx = 2 CPU maxi

Xeon E5-4xxx = 4 CPU maxi

[toxsickcity]

I See.. I See

 

Now I have learnt what the first Number in Intel scheming is!

https://ark.intel.com/content/www/us/en/ark/products/series/78583/intel-xeon-processor-e5-v3-family.html

 

Bugger, because the multi cpus are more pricey haha

[toxsickcity]

I think I will buy the 3950X.. wait about 2-3 years buy 2nd hand 4xxx Series Threadripper hehehe

[mariushm]

How hard is it to make a render farm (multiple computers rendering your project at same time?)

 

Maybe it would be worth to do something like Ryzen 1600+b350/b450 board + 4 GB of memory and 32/64gb ssd... but make multiple of these.

ex 82$ on aliexpress for ryzen 1600 , 50$ motherboard, 20$ ram, 10$ for a 32/64GB SSD (or a usb stick to boot from network), some cheap 5$ video card from ebay, 10-15$ for an am4 cooler.

 

You could use one power supply (ex a 750-850w one) to power 3-4 systems at same time.

 

 

[toxsickcity]

Very Interesting way to render. 

 

I remember experimenting with the render farm thing to have a few home computers help. but I remember it being too much trouble! crashing, and often spitting out garbage result

I will see if I can figure this out.