Whats with the P??

[Maldax]

I realise its probably just me but what is it with all the 'P's when people talk about monitor resolutions? I can kinda (very small kinda) get it with 1080p as a hand down from the old TV days when flat-panel TVs were just becoming a thing and we were being conned with 1080i but it this day and age I think we can drop it and 1440p or 2160p means nothing. You won't find it on a manufactures specs and website. to be honest I'm not sure interlaced flat pannels computer monitors were ever actually a thing anyway.

[Princess Luna]

 

It's there to fool newbies into thinking it means "pixels"

[Maldax]

Just now, Princess Luna said:

 

It's there to fool newbies into thinking it means "pixels"

Oh I know what it is...it's just not a thing on monitors its a TV thing!

[Maldax]

7 minutes ago, Princess Luna said:

 

It's there to fool newbies into thinking it means "pixels"

I heard someone last week refer to that massdrop ultrawide monitor as 1440p so its not even pixels

[Dedayog]

1440p is pixels, the P is added to pixel count.  Whether we live in Interleaving or Progressive scanning is another story.

 

I use p to not confuse gtx1080 and a 1080 monitor.  Saying you need a 1080 for hi refresh at 1080 doesn't read that well, especially for anyone not versed in PC stuffs.  

[Maldax]

Just now, jstudrawa said:

1440p is pixels, the P is added to pixel count.  Whether we live in Interleaving or Progressive scanning is another story.

 

I use p to not confuse gtx1080 and a 1080 monitor.  Saying you need a 1080 for hi refresh at 1080 doesn't read that well, especially for anyone not versed in PC stuffs.  

No, it's REALLY not! what about the horizontal pixel count? say with ultrawide monitors? my monitor is 3440 x 1440 is that 1440p? 

[Dedayog]

Just now, Maldax said:

No, it's REALLY not! what about the horizontal pixel count? say with ultrawide monitors? my monitor is 3440 x 1440 is that 1440p? 

Yeah, it is.  The p or i refers to the vertical line count.  Always has.  Watch a Youtube video and you can set it to all sorts of different vertical resolutions.

 

I have a 1440p Ultrawide, yep.  You say Ultrawide to denote the 3440 line width, since that's the standard for that size.

[LukeLinusFanFic]

Yes, it's an annoying marketing term, also known as literally any product in the history of mankind, ever.

 

As vague as it is, it does convey "quality" fairly well, it representing the amount of vertical pixels, and all you need to do is to attach the screen type to it, i.e. "1440p ultrawide" or "1080p 3:2 display", which I find easier to understand than "2560×1440" and "1080×720" or whatever it is.

[Maldax]

1 minute ago, LukeLinusFanFic said:

Yes, it's an annoying marketing term, also known as literally any product in the history of mankind, ever.

 

As vague as it is, it does convey "quality" fairly well, it representing the amount of vertical pixels, and all you need to do is to attach the screen type to it, i.e. "1440p ultrawide" or "1080p 3:2 display", which I find easier to understand than "2560×1440" and "1080×720" or whatever it is.

You say that...but I can't find a single manufacturer using it

[Maldax]

9 minutes ago, jstudrawa said:

Yeah, it is.  The p or i refers to the vertical line count.  Always has.  Watch a Youtube video and you can set it to all sorts of different vertical resolutions.

 

I have a 1440p Ultrawide, yep.  You say Ultrawide to denote the 3440 line width, since that's the standard for that size.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1440p

 

[Glenwing]

The p stands for progressive scan. While interlaced displays are pretty much gone, so the need to specify "progressive scan" is somewhat unnecessary, it's stuck around as just a way of indicating that you're talking about resolution, since just saying the number "1080" may be a bit ambiguous at times, and typing out the full resolution (1920×1080) or other notations you might come up with (1080 16:9, etc.) are generally more effort than adding a single letter on the end.

 

 

The only newer notation that has kinda caught on is "2K" which refers to the horizontal resolution instead and rounds to a single number, so it's even quicker, but it suffers from confusion from people thinking the number is "how many times 1080p it is" instead of simply the horizontal resolution, due to the number of people saying "4K is 4 times 1080p" during the early days of 4K (which is true, but is just a coincidence).

[Maldax]

 

 

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4 minutes ago, Glenwing said:

The p stands for progressive scan. While interlaced displays are pretty much gone, so the need to specify "progressive scan" is somewhat unnecessary, it's stuck around as just a way of indicating that you're talking about resolution, since just saying the number "1080" may be a bit ambiguous at times, and typing out the full resolution (1920×1080) or other notations you might come up with (1080 16:9, etc.) are generally more effort than adding a single letter on the end.

 

 

The only newer notation that has kinda caught on is "2K" which refers to the horizontal resolution instead and rounds to a single number, so it's even quicker, but it suffers from confusion from people thinking the number is "how many times 1080p it is" instead of simply the horizontal resolution, due to the number of people saying "4K is 4 times 1080p" during the early days of 4K (which is true, but is just a coincidence).

I get why people use it but I think it's just wrongly been extended from the 1080p TV days It's never used by manufacturers 

[Glenwing]

27 minutes ago, Maldax said:

I get why people use it but I think it's just wrongly been extended from the 1080p TV days It's never used by manufacturers 

I mean, it's not incorrect to say 1440p, it is a vertical resolution of 1440 lines, progressively scanned. It's still true even if there are no other scan methods in common use for that resolution

[SolarNova]

Unfortunately display technology marketing is trash nowadays. With a bunch of misleading terms being introduced which can and does fool the average 'normy'.

 

LED display for example. Pretty much all LCDs today use LED backlights, instead of the older CCFL, and so comparing one monitor to another with one marketed as LCD and the other LED, will usually lead the 'normy' consumer into thinking the LED one is better, when in fact they use the same tech.

 

The same goes for QLED, which could just as easily be called QLCD, or QDLCD, and in fact doesnt use the better 'real' QD technology, but rather just a filter layer. So its a LCD with a QD filter. not a QD TV which is what consumers are lead to believe. it was also chosen to try to compete with OLED marketing, its easy to miss the little line on the Q, i've actually spoken to people at work who thought they bought an OLED, but then they tell me its a Samsung and im like ..erm Samsung make QLEDs not OLEDs (this was a couple years back)

 

Then ofc you got the classic refresh rate issue with TV's. its not uncommon to find those specing 500hz or some such nonsense. The display may have a 500hz settings but its not the input frequency, but rather a motion handling technology.

 

And ofc the biggest one, and the one i hate the most is the whole 'response time' spec. Which is absolutely always inaccurate and totally misleading, with monitors advertising 1ms response which is total BS since LCD simply cant do that. Not to mention its often confused with 'Input Lag'.

 

Marketing for Displays is utter garbage nowadays so while its unnecessary to add the p next to the vertical resolution anymore as interlacing isnt used, its just another thing that has stuck regardless.

[Dedayog]

55 minutes ago, Maldax said:

I get why people use it but I think it's just wrongly been extended from the 1080p TV days It's never used by manufacturers 

You sure?

 

https://smile.amazon.com/s?k=1080p+144&ref=nb_sb_noss_2

 

 

[Maldax]

 

 

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24 minutes ago, jstudrawa said:

You sure?

 

https://smile.amazon.com/s?k=1080p+144&ref=nb_sb_noss_2

 

 

Positive venders might mistakenly be but the manufacturers aren't

 

https://www.asus.com/Monitors/VG278Q/

 

  

[Maldax]

2 hours ago, jstudrawa said:

Yeah, it is.  The p or i refers to the vertical line count.  Always has.  Watch a Youtube video and you can set it to all sorts of different vertical resolutions.

 

I have a 1440p Ultrawide, yep.  You say Ultrawide to denote the 3440 line width, since that's the standard for that size.

Youtube is not listing resolutions it's how the video is encoded and there 1080i and 1080p are still a thing as they come from the video industry, yes it is ALSO the resolution but you can quite happily stream 4k to a none 4k screen etc . I can encode videos in Premiere Pro H.264 in 1080i to reduce bandwidth when streaming (I'm guessing that bit as I have never actually tried it....why would I)

 

[Dedayog]

21 minutes ago, Maldax said:

Youtube is not listing resolutions it's how the video is encoded and there 1080i and 1080p are still a thing as they come from the video industry, yes it is ALSO the resolution but you can quite happily stream 4k to a none 4k screen etc . I can encode videos in Premiere Pro H.264 in 1080i to reduce bandwidth when streaming (I'm guessing that bit as I have never actually tried it....why would I)

 

My Youtube shows 144p, 240p, 360p, 480p, etc when I click on the gear icon when watching a video.

 

So, would you like us to stop using the "p" designation?  Is that what all this arguing is boiling down to?

[Maldax]

55 minutes ago, jstudrawa said:

My Youtube shows 144p, 240p, 360p, 480p, etc when I click on the gear icon when watching a video.

 

So, would you like us to stop using the "p" designation?  Is that what all this arguing is boiling down to?

Yes please!  Youtube can as it's their video encoding setting. But for describing monitor resolutions just stop it!!  (I understand i'm on an uphill struggle)