AIO for the 2700x

[RonB27]

Hi, just got a new pc with the 2700x on a x470 motherboard and I would like to switch the stock cooler for an AIO to OC it.

Came here to get some advice from the experienced in the field.

So, which one should I go for? 

[Princess Luna]

More like you shouldn't, AiO is overpriced, performs worse than Air Coolers per $, has far more points of failure and usually are louder.

[RonB27]

3 minutes ago, Princess Cadence said:

More like you shouldn't, AiO is overpriced, performs worse than Air Coolers per $, has far more points of failure and usually are louder.

So what cooler should I get?

[Princess Luna]

Just now, RonB27 said:

So what cooler should I get?

You just want silence? I'd say the Dark Rock 4 is great looking and a great performer and it'll cost at least half of what you'd pay on an AiO capable for providing same performance, but likely still louder.

[RonB27]

2 minutes ago, Princess Cadence said:

You just want silence? I'd say the Dark Rock 4 is great looking and a great performer and it'll cost at least half of what you'd pay on an AiO capable for providing same performance, but likely still louder.

I care more about oc capability than silence

[Quadriplegic]

1 minute ago, RonB27 said:

I care more about oc capability than silence

The way Ryzen processors overclock, you will reach voltage limit way before temperature limit. 

[RonB27]

1 minute ago, Quadriplegic said:

The way Ryzen processors overclock, you will reach voltage limit way before temperature limit. 

How come? Would you care to explain?

[Princess Luna]

Just now, RonB27 said:

How come? Would you care to explain?

Ryzen 7 2700X will hardly pass 4.2ghz regardless how cold it is.

[SolarNova]

Get a top end Air cooler like the DarkRock Pro 4 or NH-D15.

 

or

 

A 360mm AIO.

 

Dont bother with 120 and 240mm AIO's.

[Tilaron]

1 hour ago, RonB27 said:

Hi, just got a new pc with the 2700x on a x470 motherboard and I would like to switch the stock cooler for an AIO to OC it.

Came here to get some advice from the experienced in the field.

So, which one should I go for? 

If you don't care about RGB then I highly recommend the Fractal Design Celsius S36, I haven't overclocked my 2700x but know I have plenty of room to do so, it idles around 22-24c, hits 58c in BF5, and I've never heard it over the sound of my graphics card's fans, this is with the cooler set to auto rather than with my own fan curve. The pump is the loudest part when idle, but I have my computer on carpet & a few feet away, so don't even notice it.

 

If you DO care about RGB then I guess the H150i PRO is your best bet.

[Mehmy]

3 hours ago, SolarNova said:

Get a top end Air cooler like the DarkRock Pro 4 or NH-D15.

 

or

 

A 360mm AIO.

 

Dont bother with 120 and 240mm AIO's.

Unless you just really want an AiO for looks. 

[Kalm_Traveler]

I'm using the EVGA 280mm CLC on mine. Cools very well, and the nice thing about water cooling is that it is quieter than air cooling for a given amount of heat dissipation. 

 

In other words you can run your fans slower for less noise and still get the same cooling as a great air cooler because it is more efficient at getting rid of heat. 

[Mehmy]

41 minutes ago, Kalm_Traveler1 said:

I'm using the EVGA 280mm CLC on mine. Cools very well, and the nice thing about water cooling is that it is quieter than air cooling for a given amount of heat dissipation. 

 

In other words you can run your fans slower for less noise and still get the same cooling as a great air cooler because it is more efficient at getting rid of heat. 

Air coolers use heatpipes, which, surprise, has liquid of some kind in them. It's just that with water coolers you usually get more surface area. 

Air coolers are also quieter at the same fan count, since you don't add in pump noise. Water coolers only really get quieter when you get more fans that you can run slower

[thinwalrus]

Scythe Fuma/Mugen 5 rev b or Therlmalright Macho rev b will be more than enough for Ryzen. Those are in the 40-50€ range here with taxes. If they are double the price, not worth it.

[SolarNova]

8 hours ago, Kalm_Traveler1 said:

I'm using the EVGA 280mm CLC on mine. Cools very well, and the nice thing about water cooling is that it is quieter than air cooling for a given amount of heat dissipation. 

 

In other words you can run your fans slower for less noise and still get the same cooling as a great air cooler because it is more efficient at getting rid of heat. 

 

False.

 

The noise level of coolers is primarily determined by the fans. You get a air cooler with crap fans, its loud.. you get a AIO with crap fans ..its loud PLUS also has the pump noise.

 

A NH-D15 is quieter than a AIO, simple reason being it uses Nocuta fans, they are near silent. An AIO cant come close to that unless ur running super low RPM on both the fans and pump ,at which point it most certainly wont perform as well as the D15.

 

[Kalm_Traveler]

50 minutes ago, SolarNova said:

 

False.

 

The noise level of coolers is primarily determined by the fans. You get a air cooler with crap fans, its loud.. you get a AIO with crap fans ..its loud PLUS also has the pump noise.

 

A NH-D15 is quieter than a AIO, simple reason being it uses Nocuta fans, they are near silent. An AIO cant come close to that unless ur running super low RPM on both the fans and pump ,at which point it most certainly wont perform as well as the D15.

 

You either misunderstood or are mistaken.

 

What I said is 100% fact and if you don't understand you may want to do some research.

 

For a given amount of cooling (or heat transference - from say the CPU IHS into your room's air), 'water' cooling will be quieter - partially as mentioned by @Mehmy due to generally increased surface area per fan. 

 

This increased surface area and efficiency mean that you can run the fans at a lower rpm, which directly lowers both the frequency and amplitude (volume) of sound they produce.

 

Thus, you get equal (or usually better since a 360mm AIO with good fans will offer more potential heat dissipation than an air cooler) cooling with less noise.

 

Before I had learned about water cooling and jumped on the bandwagon as a result, I too thought as you do. A very large and effective air cooler like the Noctua NH-D15 can be very quiet (I know because I had a D14 on my 2600k rig back in 2011) but fans being equal don't beat out a 280mm or 360mm AIO.

 

Obviously if you get crazy into custom open loops it isn't even a comparison anymore.

[RonB27]

I got the h150i pro and im extremely satisfied!

Look at these gorgeous temps after 45 minutes of BF5 on ultra:

[nick name]

On 3/1/2019 at 6:19 AM, Princess Cadence said:

Ryzen 7 2700X will hardly pass 4.2ghz regardless how cold it is.

Well this isn't completely true.

 

ASUS X470 ROG boards have a Performance Enhancer feature that pushes and holds PBO past it's standard limits.  It's an overclock for PBO.  

  

[nick name]

9 hours ago, RonB27 said:

I got the h150i pro and im extremely satisfied!

Look at these gorgeous temps after 45 minutes of BF5 on ultra:

You could probably stand to use a bit of negative offset on your VCORE.  

 

I would also encourage using HWiNFO instead of HWmonitor.  It won't give false CPU speed readings.  

[Princess Luna]

3 minutes ago, nick name said:

Well this isn't true.  

All cores boost, also if you think 1.5v is fine you'll have a surprise sooner than later.

[nick name]

Just now, Princess Cadence said:

All cores boost.

I know.  But if you have an ASUS ROG motherboard you can easily use its Performance Enhancer to push PBO.  

 

Regular XFR/PBO won't get you there alone, but it's done regularly by Crosshair VII/Strix guys using Performance Enhancer.  

 

So I guess what you said isn't untrue -- just incomplete.  I will amend my previous post.  

[Princess Luna]

Just now, nick name said:

So I guess what you said isn't untrue -- just incomplete.  I will amend my previous post. 

Much obliged, most of the time it's worth not lock all cores and let 2~ be boosted past the 4,2ghz mark as that has consistently proved to be beneficial on gaming and what not as well.

[nick name]

Just now, Princess Cadence said:

Much obliged, most of the time it's worth not lock all cores and let 2~ be boosted past the 4,2ghz mark as that has consistently proved to be beneficial on gaming and what not as well.

Yeah, a traditional overclock for the 2700X isn't worth it if you have an X470 ASUS ROG board.  Using the Performance Enhancer I can manipulate the CPU multiplier quite a bit up and down and then combine that with BCLK and you can move everything.  It's an outstanding feature.  

[NorthernDuke]

I run the H100i V2, 2700x on a ROG Crosshair VII Hero and set it to level 2, PBO, XFR etc on. Also set my ram profile up correctly too.

 

 it weirdly hits boosts of around 5.9ghz sometimes in HW Monitor - guessing that's a data reading glitch?

 

Anyways, temperatures don't really go far over 60 celcius under stress, depending on the voltage it's putting out.

 

Highest I've seen is 69 at 100% 4.3ghz boost 1.45v that was sustained for a while. The minute I took the load off, it was back down to high 30's (celcius)

[GoldenLag]

14 hours ago, nick name said:

Well this isn't completely true.

 

ASUS X470 ROG boards have a Performance Enhancer feature that pushes and holds PBO past it's standard limits.  It's an overclock for PBO.  

  

and you still wont get past the 4,2 ghz barrier before the voltage curve kills the CPU....... its not as if Asus with their generally bad VRM is doing something special. per core boost helps. but not a lot.