RTX Sucks

[TopHatProductions115]

16 hours ago, GoodBytes said:

Don't know. To me the the RTX 20 series is just a filler. Technically, the next architecture is Volta.

We didn't get it (ignoring the Titan V). I think Nvidia needed more time with Volta as they were not happy with the performance that they were getting, and in the mean time had a team on the side worked on this RTX 20 series line up. That is just my speculation.

I hope you're right on this one. I was actually missing Volta myself when the RTX cards came out  

[corrado33]

Just what in the hell are GPU manufacturers doing?

 

Dear NVIDIA and AMD, NO ONE FUCKING GAMES AT 4K. Talk about one huge manufacturer push for a technology that the public doesn't want/need. NVIDIA: "Spend more money so your rig can run games at 4K" User: "But I don't have a 4K monitor, they're expensive" NVIDIA: "Well then buy a better monitor because only plebs would play at 1080p and 1440p." NVIDIA: "Look at all the features you can enjoy if you decide to play at a stupidly high resolution!"

 

Ugh

[xAcid9]

5 minutes ago, corrado33 said:

Dear NVIDIA and AMD, NO ONE FUCKING GAMES AT 4K.

That's why you should buy 2080 Ti and enable RTX to play at 1080p60. 

 

What you want them to do btw?

[Lexicalje]

I have to say i am disappointed with DLSS... I was hoping for more with the technology. Maybe it will improve over time who knows. For a laugh i switched DLSS on at 1080p, felt like i had put someone elses spectacles on. Horrendous! And they used that as a selling point for the 2060. "Hey, turn RTX on and DLSS for 60fps @1080p!". No one should ever do that. Ever. 

[dgsddfgdfhgs]

7 minutes ago, Lexicalje said:

I have to say i am disappointed with DLSS... I was hoping for more with the technology.

always skipping the every 1st gen of new tech ~ bugs / unoptimised everywhere

[Wormhole]

RT is pointless you don't notice it when you're immersed in a game.

[xg32]

As an RTX owner, i bought for the raw horsepower, RTX was always gonna fail, there simply is no other choice for 4k gaming. I expect the die shrink to blow the current RTX cards out of the water, the longevity of the current cards won't come close to a 1080ti. However i also expect the top cards to be 1500-2000usd as it took 5 months for 2080 ti supply to meet demand.

 

As for Nvidia lying, AMD did the same thing with vega. Just gimme the raw horsepower, there is no brand loyalty at this point. 

[Rune]

8 minutes ago, xg32 said:

As an RTX owner, i bought for the raw horsepower, RTX was always gonna fail, there simply is no other choice for 4k gaming. I expect the die shrink to blow the current RTX cards out of the water, the longevity of the current cards won't come close to a 1080ti. However i also expect the top cards to be 1500-2000usd as it took 5 months for 2080 ti supply to meet demand.

 

As for Nvidia lying, AMD did the same thing with vega. Just gimme the raw horsepower, there is no brand loyalty at this point. 

Agreed. Have a 2080ti FTW3 on water. No regrets. You're gonna pay for the best regardless of extra features.

[RejZoR]

19 hours ago, RobbinM said:

You realize you don't have to use DLSS?

For a moment I thought you said "You realize you can't use DLSS anyway"... given there are exactly 2 games with it after 6 frigging months of waiting. If they made reverse DSR that works in any game it would be far more useful than this "deep learning" garbage. There is nothing deep learning about it except the fact no one can understand why they think this nonsense is worth waiting for months so you can get basically as blurry image as with regular scaling in every single modern game and limited to specifically coded titles. It's absurd and idiotic. When you make such features they should support as many games as possible to give gamers as wide selection of games to use it on. But no, they opted for "deep learning" gimmicky nonsense.

 

For RTX I get it why games need to be coded in a specific way because you can't just slap the feature on any game. But for DLSS I damn well know it's possible, but not by arrogant companies like NVIDIA who need to push their garbage in their own dumb way just to make it look "smart" even though it's just HW accelerated resolution scaling seen in all games from last half of decade...

[porina]

3 hours ago, xAcid9 said:

1080 use lower power actually.

I'd ask you to give examples, but I don't have any I could quickly reference on hand the other way either.

 

Having said that, I'm currently running some compute tasks on my GPUs, so not necessarily representative of gaming. Also I don't have a 1080, but following are Pascal and Turing cards I currently have running on it.

 

Power consumption (reported by GPU-Z), task time (lower is better), GPU

 

100W, 208s, 1060 3GB

113W, 158s, 1070

120W, 87s, 2070

170W, 123s, 1080 Ti

[xAcid9]

41 minutes ago, porina said:

I'd ask you to give examples, but I don't have any I could quickly reference on hand the other way either.

 

Having said that, I'm currently running some compute tasks on my GPUs, so not necessarily representative of gaming. Also I don't have a 1080, but following are Pascal and Turing cards I currently have running on it.

 

Power consumption (reported by GPU-Z), task time (lower is better), GPU

 

100W, 208s, 1060 3GB

113W, 158s, 1070

120W, 87s, 2070

170W, 123s, 1080 Ti

What kind of compute task? Maybe Turing provide better hardware for that specific task.

 

From TPU reviews, reference 1080 use 166w while reference 2070 use 195w

 

Spoiler

So from both graphs above, 2070 performed 12% better while used 17% more power.

[_Hustler_One_]

2 hours ago, xg32 said:

As for Nvidia lying, AMD did the same thing with vega. Just gimme the raw horsepower, there is no brand loyalty at this point. 

Regarding the raw performance I have to agree, but I still feel bad for anyone who paid the extra price because of the extra features but actually those extra features failed to project the extra price accordingly..

[porina]

33 minutes ago, xAcid9 said:

What kind of compute task? Maybe Turing provide better hardware for that specific task.

I'm looking for Generalised Fermat prime numbers, using software called genefer. I'm not sure what code path is used in this case, as it includes multiple implementations depending on the test and hardware it is run on. In a quick search it suggests it uses fixed point math for the specific tasks I'm running at the moment.

 

33 minutes ago, xAcid9 said:

From TPU reviews, reference 1080 use 166w while reference 2070 use 195w

 

So from both graphs above, 2070 performed 12% better while used 17% more power.

Thanks. Will have to look more closely. Have to wonder what did I see where to get my impression previously, but that'll have to be a little later.

[jeebusuk]

Just signed up to wade in on this.  Can't disagree that DLSS and RTX are not really what people are buying these cards for - it's the raw power.  Problem with that however is Moore's law is coming to an end and even considering the innovation/improvement cycles the performance increments from silicon have been getting smaller and smaller and will continue to do so which is why companies like Nvidia are trying to add these features which rely on advances in AI/Machine learning or features which they can offload to dedicated chips.  It's the only way they will be able to maintain a competitive advantage.

 

You can get mad about Nvidia selling you new features, you can get mad that they are trying to sell 4k gaming and you don't game at 4k but you don't have to use these features, you don't have to game at 4k, you don't have to buy their new cards.  In fact why would you if your current hardware is doing the job for you?