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Do you believe in a god?

Do you believe in a god?  

208 members have voted

  1. 1. Do you believe in a god?

    • Yes
      72
    • No
      138


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1 minute ago, PCn00b3000 said:

Ah yes, but why worry about that at all if you don't have to? There is a way to be saved from this horrible fate, and it's for everyone.

 

Please understand that no one is here to change your mind about anything you believe right now. As a Messianic Jew, we're taught that our Lord is like a gentleman. He will never force Himself on you and yearns for us to love Him. If Yeshua wouldn't force ideology on His creation, why should I do this? I'm not! I'm planting a seed. Perhaps the seed will grow to something beautiful for each of you, or perhaps it will choke and wither. Spreading the good news is my only mission here :) Again, anyone who forces any sort of idea on you is wrong

I will not worship a deity that think it's okay to torture people forever because they didn't accept him. Ending their lives permanently with no suffering involved would be a much nicer way of handling things, or for people who are already dead...no hope of being alive again.


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3 minutes ago, PCn00b3000 said:

I serve a jealous G-d. He wants us all to simply follow Him and do unto others as we would have them do unto ourselves. If we choose not to love the one who created all, you're going against the creator and He'll do as he wishes. We brought sin and damnation into this world with out disobedience at the start, with Adam and Eve going against G-d's restriction. We ate from the tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil, thus... Damning our souls to suffering away from his mercy. 

 

With Yeshua's sacrifice, He's made it extremely easy to avoid perishing for our sins (past, present and future). I'd saying sacrificing G-d's only son for all of humanity is pretty loving

So much to say here, I'll have to do it in bullet points.

  1. God is jealous and yet perfect and without sin? (Come on, you don't need my help with this one.)
  2. You for get that we did not eat from the tree and we did not bring sin and damnation into the world. Someone else did. How is it good to punish us for something someone else did?
  3. God didn't give a son, he loaned one, for about three days, after which he ascended into heaven to once again be a god.
  4. I don't think that torturing someone to relieve someone else of the sin you damned them with is loving. What that sounds like is insanity.

 

3 minutes ago, PCn00b3000 said:

Beliefs causes no outward harm to anyone. Anyone who acts out these beliefs to bring it is wrong, no matter what you believe. Those who HATE gays and bring nothing but hatred toward them are wrong. Love the sinner, not the sin. Hey, I don't make the rules I follow.. I'm merely the messenger. We all suffer, we all have hurtful things done to us, but if it exists I'm not going to lie and say "oh, there's no murder or theft. Nah, everything is fine fam". No, I'm going to tell those who ask. 

 

Take it with a grain of salt if you'd like, but you'll remember all I've said, whenever it comes to pop in your head after this. Hopefully, not when it's too late

"Love the sinner, hate the sin" is a false dichotomy, that a distinction without a difference. Both amount to considering homosexuals deviants and worthy of torture. (And you say I've been disrespectful!)

 

Don't worry, I've heard all of this many many times before. It was ridiculous then and it's only gotten worse.


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4 minutes ago, MrDynamicMan said:

We didn't eat from the tree. How the fuck are we responsible for what some idiots did 6000 years ago? Why would such a loving God create us flawed so he can damn us to eternity in hell? Why wouldnt god live on earth to guide humanity, or why doesn't he perform miracles like healing all the sick or feeding Africa? It's because either he clearly doesn't love us or he simply doesn't exist. And I'd rather hold off on the mental gymnastics, so I'll take option 2.

Guilty by association, I'm afraid. It's unfair, but there's always a work-around with anything of this nature. If you were back in elementary school and get into trouble while you were hanging out with friends who were smoking. They're your friends, so you get into trouble too. Unfair, right? Sure is! What can you do to avoid the punishment afterward? Ask for forgiveness and be better than your friend. 


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2 minutes ago, Archeval said:

you would do well to remember the warning that is quoted below

 

 

Yeah, I'll do my best to keep it civil. it's late so I should probably call it a night before I do something retarded.


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1 minute ago, PCn00b3000 said:

Guilty by association, I'm afraid. It's unfair, but there's always a work-around with anything of this nature. If you were back in elementary school and get into trouble while you were hanging out with friends who were smoking. They're your friends, so you get into trouble too. Unfair, right? Sure is! What can you do to avoid the punishment afterward? Ask for forgiveness and be better than your friend. 

 

There's a colossal difference between someone you choose to hang out with and a distant ancestor from 6000 years ago.

 

It would be like being punished because your great great grandpa smoked a cigar in 1870. How should I be responsible?


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On 1/18/2017 at 10:20 PM, Sky Daddy said:

Step 1: verify that we are actually living in a 'real' world

Presuming the world is a hologram/simulation, the coder is God.

.... presumably.

3 minutes ago, MrDynamicMan said:

There's a colossal difference between someone you choose to hang out with and a distant ancestor from 6000 years ago.

 

It would be like being punished because your great great grandpa smoked a cigar in 1870. How should I be responsible?

I know it sounds stupid, but the idea is that there is some "thing" we don't fully perceive as humans that God would. And if He is, then it's logical He would be able to do that if that thing also existed. 

That thing being a soul (or something like it).

Like, ok, presuming a God exists, and souls along with Him, how do souls work?

Does it have some tie to genetics? Are they similar or are they not? Is mine just an amalgamation of pieces of my parents or are they unrelated entirely?

Assuming they're related (i.e. your parents' souls have something to do with your own's creation), it makes sense that the punishment should be passed down generations because the sin is tied to the soul.

I don't know. Souls can't be empirically studied (at this time) if they do exist.


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10 minutes ago, kingkickolas said:

You for get that we did not eat from the tree and we did not bring sin and damnation into the world. Someone else did. How is it good to punish us for something someone else did?

7 minutes ago, MrDynamicMan said:

 

There's a colossal difference between someone you choose to hang out with and a distant ancestor from 6000 years ago.

 

It would be like being punished because your great great grandpa smoked a cigar in 1870. How should I be responsible?

isn't there a whole thing about the sins of the father not transferring to the son (child)?

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1 minute ago, kingkickolas said:

So much to say here, I'll have to do it in bullet points.

  1. God is jealous and yet perfect and without sin? (Come on, you don't need my help with this one.)
  2. You for get that we did not eat from the tree and we did not bring sin and damnation into the world. Someone else did. How is it good to punish us for something someone else did?
  3. God didn't give a son, he loaned one, for about three days, after which he ascended into heaven to once again be a god.
  4. I don't think that torturing someone to relieve someone else of the sin you damned them with is loving. What that sounds like is insanity.

1. Jealousy isn't a sin :P What we choose to do when acting on it is where the sin comes in.

2. Guilty by association. Sin crept into our lives through our ancestors and now we are slaves to our "flesh's" desires and habits. 

3. G-d gave us his blessed son Yeshua for about 32 1/2 years. From the book of Genesis, the prophecy of Yeshua was told to us in our ultimate hope of regaining a connection with our heavenly Father <3

4. So, G-d willingly taking our blame so that we can become clean of sin isn't loving? I think if my brother taking the blame for breaking my mom's favorite toaster oven for me is pretty loving. 


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6 minutes ago, PCn00b3000 said:

1. Jealousy isn't a sin :P What we choose to do when acting on it is where the sin comes in.

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In Galatians, Paul condemns jealousy in the same breath as idolatry (Galatians 5:19–20).


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Hmmm I would have thought the numbers on this forum would have been leaning a lot more to the no god side


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4 minutes ago, MrDynamicMan said:

 

There's a colossal difference between someone you choose to hang out with and a distant ancestor from 6000 years ago.

 

It would be like being punished because your great great grandpa smoked a cigar in 1870. How should I be responsible?

That bottom line made me laugh really hard :D

 

"The sins of the father plague the son" is the basic concept that answers that idea. Sure, there are variants with that, but these usually aren't a part of the example. If your dad drinks, you'll probably drink as well. If your dad can't keep a job, you'll most likely be the same way with work.. The apple doesn't fall too far from the tree. All these are theoretical sayings, but all have some truth behind it.

 

We all have feelings of fear, of lust, of envy and others on a daily basis almost. Where do you think these came from? What can they manifest into if we act on these feelings? They came with humanity's first act of sin.... Whoops lol When Adam and Eve ate from the tree of knowledge of good and evil, we realized what we had done was wrong and that it would make G-d angry. We hid, ran and covered our (so naturally) naked bodies. We knew at that point what was right and what was wrong. This was when emotions like the ones above were realized. 

 

We're involved because our fathers were, and their fathers and so on. 


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4 minutes ago, Vitalius said:

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In Galatians, Paul condemns jealousy in the same breath as idolatry (Galatians 5:19–20).

... Got me lol My bad for the slip up, and thank you for the correction. 

 

The point still stands, however.


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Keep the conversation going! This is good stuff :) I'm heading to bed now, thanks so much for the great conversation


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Im buddhist, so technically i don't believe in a god. But still religious never the less. With Buddhism it is a religion of both selfish and selfless desires, First comes you. and then you can help others. 


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2 minutes ago, PCn00b3000 said:

... Got me lol My bad for the slip up, and thank you for the correction. 

 

The point still stands, however.

No it doesn't. You say that God is jealous, but then say that jealousy isn't a sin, then admit that it is. Fuck man. I believe in God, but you just give me a headache. That's just stupid.

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5 minutes ago, JoeyDM said:

No it doesn't. You say that God is jealous, but then say that jealousy isn't a sin, then admit that it is. Fuck man. I believe in God, but you just give me a headache. That's just stupid.

We all know we make mistakes. Striving for perfection is futile. We're all learning. Don't let this slip up bother you, I'm not here to change lives and prove everyone wrong. I am here to share what I know this far in my walk with G-d, and that's all I've been called to do. I came here for the same reason the OP initiated this thread: because he or she was curious. I slipped up, that's fine. I'm not denying that. I'm coming clean and realizing what I said wasn't completely true with that. Please don't condemn me for being human :P

 

Fun fact: Lucifer believes in G-d

 

Whether you love Him or not is where it really matters <3 Gg, good night


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2 minutes ago, JoeyDM said:

No it doesn't. You say that God is jealous, but then say that jealousy isn't a sin, then admit that it is. Fuck man. I believe in God, but you just give me a headache. That's just stupid.

Come on, you can articulate that in a way that in a way that doesn't come off so aggressive. It's not an easy subject to debate


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On 1/22/2017 at 11:16 PM, MrDynamicMan said:

Gods came from human minds seeking to control other human minds. They exist only as a collective belief, in a similar way monetary value or idealogies do.

Naw, I think that gods came from humans wanting to fill in the gaps of what they don't understand in the world, but then smarter people came along and exploited that.


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12 minutes ago, PCn00b3000 said:

 

Frankly? It doesn't matter whether or not you love him. I love myself. I love my family. I love humans in general. I love all of you, if only as a people rather than on an individual basis. I love God. But it really doesn't matter whether or not somebody loves God. Just try to be good people, follow if the footsteps of those who came before you.

10 minutes ago, RainColt said:

Come on, you can articulate that in a way that in a way that doesn't come off so aggressive. It's not an easy subject to debate

Sorry, bit tired. That did some off as more aggressive than I was aiming for.

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30 minutes ago, PCn00b3000 said:

""The sins of the father plague the son" is the basic concept that answers that idea. Sure, there are variants with that, but these usually aren't a part of the example. If your dad drinks, you'll probably drink as well. If your dad can't keep a job, you'll most likely be the same way with work.. The apple doesn't fall too far from the tree. All these are theoretical sayings, but all have some truth behind it."

 

So what if these idioms can be true they can also be false, your alcoholic dad can also be what you aspire to never be.
 

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"We all have feelings of fear, of lust, of envy and others on a daily basis almost.Where do you think these came from? What can they manifest into if we act on these feelings?"
 

Fear can be a good thing can keep you alive, lust compels us to procreate keeping our species alive, envy compels us to get what we want, these are all perfectly fine, sure you could go about these in the wrong way but they aren't inherently bad.


 


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1 hour ago, Tr3vor said:

Naw, I think that gods came from humans wanting to fill in the gaps of what they don't understand in the world, but then smarter people came along and exploited that.

Funny thing regarding that.

Some studies hypothesize that the concept of God comes from the human mind developing an inner monologue. At some point in human development, instead of having an inner monologue, it sounded like someone was speaking to you. This was the left and right sides of the brain communicating, apparently. 

Gives me a whole new perspective on people with schizophrenia who hear "voices". 

I don't believe that's the case, but it makes logical sense in a way.

And considering some people just don't have an inner monologue, and purely think in terms of emotions and concepts (with no voice to vocalize them in their head), that too is pretty neat.


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3 minutes ago, Vitalius said:

And considering some people just don't have an inner monologue, and purely think in terms of emotions and concepts (with no voice to vocalize them in their head), that too is pretty neat.

I'm pretty sure that thinking in emotions and visualizations is the default way we think if we don't have a word for a certain thing or just don't have a structured language in the first place. sorta like what you have a word that's on the tip of your tongue but you don't know how to verbalize it.


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