Obama taking actions against Russia for "Election Hacking"

[ivan134]

2 minutes ago, SurvivorNVL said:

Well, now we have eight years and a supreme court justice appointment in the likely form of Ted Cruz, meaning forty years of bland conservatism, and then Ginsburg will die soon, and we'll get Willett, who is also bland conservatism and constitutionalism.  And then if we're lucky - we'll end up throwing Communists from helicopters and beginning a new McCarthy age.

Don't forget your meds.

[SurvivorNVL]

Just now, ivan134 said:

Don't forget your meds.

[Guest Kloaked]

15 minutes ago, ivan134 said:

Wow, talk about being dishonest.

http://www.cnn.com/2016/11/27/politics/donald-trump-voter-fraud-popular-vote/

You're really going to trust a major news outlet who was literally caught making up stories (link, link, link, link) multiple times in order to further a narrative? Every single one of them will make shit up to brainwash you. Wake up mate.

 

I'm what you would call a "conservative" and I don't even trust Breitbart.

 

This whole election season should have taught every single person not to trust a damned thing coming out of the mouths of anyone in journalism, yet you're sitting there trying to tell me to take CNN's word on illegals not voting in favor of Clinton?

 

L M A O

[Delicieuxz]

13 minutes ago, SurvivorNVL said:

Given California was handing out fake ID's left, right, and center for illegal-immigrants and promising to not give them to their new president.  Same for New York, Michigan and in the cases of Virginia and N.C., they struck down voter ID requirement laws, and let loose thousands of prisoners, and granted them voting rights.  Luckily he still won.

It's ridiculous how much fraud seems to be a basic part of USA elections. I hope they can completely clean it up (though I doubt that will happen while Trump is president). I hope that other Western countries won't become influenced by what goes on in the USA.

 

 

 

 

There is no way that Hillary could have legitimately become president. She became the DNC candidate by fraud, and the DNC was actively committing fraud to try to make her win the federal vote.

[SurvivorNVL]

1 minute ago, Kloaked said:

You're really going to trust a major news outlet who was literally caught making up stories (link, link, link, link) multiple times in order to further a narrative? Every single one of them will make shit up to brainwash you. Wake up mate.

 

I'm what you would call a "conservative" and I don't even trust Breitbart.

 

This whole election season should have taught every single person not to trust a damned thing coming out of the mouths of anyone in journalism, yet you're sitting there trying to tell me to take CNN's word on illegals not voting in favor of Clinton?

 

L M A O

To be fair, Breitbart like InfoWars, has good moments, and then they go shill for Israel harder than anyone else as soon as Israeli interests are put in the fold.  

[Guest Kloaked]

Just now, SurvivorNVL said:

To be fair, Breitbart like InfoWars, has good moments, and then they go shill for Israel harder than anyone else as soon as Israeli interests are put in the fold.  

Everyone will end up telling the truth at some point. You throw enough shit at the wall and something is bound to stick.

 

Doesn't mean you should trust them even if they are telling you what you can see in front of you. If you want to know what's going on in the world, read more than one blog from CNN, Fox, etc on what the hell is going on before you draw a conclusion. Even then don't get all hardhearted on your opinion like every single asswipe is doing nowadays.

[SurvivorNVL]

Just now, Delicieuxz said:

It's ridiculous how much fraud seems to be a basic part of USA elections. I hope they can completely clean it up (though I doubt that will happen while Trump is president). I hope that other Western countries won't become influenced by what goes on in the USA.-Snips-

Oh, Western countries won't be fixed until the media is killed where it is and restarted from the ground-up.  The ways Trump could clean it up is by just fully nationalizing all the news organizations, fire all journalists, bar them from working in the US ever again, and then re-privatizing it.  Restart from 0.

[ivan134]

5 minutes ago, Kloaked said:

You're really going to trust a major news outlet who was literally caught making up stories (link, link, link, link) multiple times in order to further a narrative? Every single one of them will make shit up to brainwash you. Wake up mate.

 

I'm what you would call a "conservative" and I don't even trust Breitbart.

 

This whole election season should have taught every single person not to trust a damned thing coming out of the mouths of anyone in journalism, yet you're sitting there trying to tell me to take CNN's word on illegals not voting in favor of Clinton?

 

L M A O

No, I just linked the 1st thing on Google. They're not the only ones who are reporting it. Wait, so you actually believe there were million of illegal votes cast? Time to go home folks. Nothing to see here.

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1 minute ago, DutchTexan said:

Liberalism does not mean what it used to. The word flipped itself upside down almost 200 years ago. Modern liberalism is god awful. 

I was being very specific in my terms if you weren't aware. Neoliberals are very close to the center compared to liberals which are supposed to be slightly more left, progressives even more left, and then socialists after that. Now I'm not going to bother distinguishing the economic and social beliefs of each but I pointed out neoliberals because they tend favor policies that promote crony capitalism even though they show a facade of consumerism.

 

The left gets a lot of hate due to a vocal minority that you refer to as SJWs and Regressives. The right gets similar hate because of a vocal minority as well.

 

I find talking to people in person about politics is a lot more enjoyable though which is why I typically don't get into long political debates online. People can't ignore points you make that way, which is usually the opposite online where they willingly ignore those points.

 

I will say that personally I am a progressive, I'm one of those people that want nationalized healthcare and higher education and fully know that it is supported by higher taxes and typically less emphasis on defense spending. I have no qualms with paying more in taxes because I see it as investing in society instead of giving my money to insurance companies and private universities which mainly goes to personal profit.

 

I would say the left is still fairly liberal in truth, it's just that the name has been hijacked by those posing as liberals.

[Guest Kloaked]

1 minute ago, ivan134 said:

No, I just linked the 1st thing on Google. They're not the only ones who are reporting it.

And?

1 minute ago, ivan134 said:

Wait, so you actually believe there were million of illegal votes cast?

I guarantee you half the votes in California are from illegals.

1 minute ago, ivan134 said:

Time to go home folks. Nothing to see here.

Translated: "I'm a bigot and I can't stand it when someone thinks differently than I."

[ivan134]

3 minutes ago, Kloaked said:

And?

I guarantee you half the votes in California are from illegals.

Translated: "I'm a bigot and I can't stand it when someone thinks differently than I."

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

[ivan134]

Trumpsters really do live in an alternate universe.

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8 minutes ago, SurvivorNVL said:

Oh, Western countries won't be fixed until the media is killed where it is and restarted from the ground-up.  The ways Trump could clean it up is by just fully nationalizing all the news organizations, fire all journalists, bar them from working in the US ever again, and then re-privatizing it.  Restart from 0.

So pretty much every dictatorship ever?

 

The final part would never occur if the former happened.

[Guest Kloaked]

1 minute ago, ivan134 said:

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Does it make you feel good to be a bigot?

1 minute ago, ivan134 said:

Trumpsters really do live in an alternate universe.

Not really. People who call others "Trumpsters" have their head in the clouds.

[ivan134]

4 minutes ago, Kloaked said:

Does it make you feel good to be a bigot?

Not really. People who call others "Trumpsters" have their head in the clouds.

The guy who said blacks are statistically dumber and that half of California votes were illegals because they have a high population of Hispanic descent is calling me a bigot. You can't make this shit up.

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1 minute ago, Kloaked said:

Does it make you feel good to be a bigot?

Not really. People who call others "Trumpsters" have their head in the clouds.

I'm shocked you don't see the hypocrisy in your own statements and previous statements.

[Guest Kloaked]

1 minute ago, ivan134 said:

The guy who said blacks are statistically dumber

It's statistically provable, though.

 

1 minute ago, ivan134 said:

 and that half of California votes were illegals because they have a high population of Hispanic descent

It's safe to assume since Cali is extremely relaxed on undocumented people that they would allow such a thing to happen. Doesn't matter if they're Hispanic, Asian, Canadian, whatever.

2 minutes ago, ivan134 said:

You can't make this shit up.

Because I didn't.

1 minute ago, DeadEyePsycho said:

I'm shocked you don't see the hypocrisy in your own statements and previous statements.

I exchanged an insult for an insult. That had nothing to do with bigotry, I was just being an asshole in return.

 

big·ot·ry
ˈbiɡətrē/
noun
intolerance toward those who hold different opinions from oneself.

[SurvivorNVL]

1 minute ago, DeadEyePsycho said:

So pretty much every dictatorship ever?

 

That final would never occur if the former happened.

I'd be okay with the dictatorship.  I am pretty open in my belief that democracy and the enlightenment are a mistake.  Same with the idea of equality.  Much prefer aristocracy and designated caste systems, or a meritocracy(coupled with job automation) with no state, that way lower IQ peoples can't rely on welfare or a safety network.  This way only people capable of surviving - survive.  And with more and more intellectual people surviving, given they have the skills and knowledge to keep themselves alive, and in many cases - naturally higher IQ's.  Would need testing early on.  Also solves long-term over-population worries.

[ivan134]

3 minutes ago, SurvivorNVL said:

I'd be okay with the dictatorship.  I am pretty open in my belief that democracy and the enlightenment are a mistake.  Same with the idea of equality.  Much prefer aristocracy and designated caste systems, or a meritocracy(coupled with job automation) with no state, that way lower IQ peoples can't rely on welfare or a safety network.  This way only people capable of surviving - survive.  And with more and more intellectual people surviving, given they have the skills and knowledge to keep themselves alive, and in many cases - naturally higher IQ's.  Would need testing early on.  Also solves long-term over-population worries.

This is what happens when people are so anti science. You actually start to believe stupid and unfounded things like intelligence is hereditary.

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1 minute ago, Kloaked said:

I exchanged an insult for an insult. That had nothing to do with bigotry, I was just being an asshole in return.

 

big·ot·ry
ˈbiɡətrē/
noun
intolerance toward those who hold different opinions from oneself.

You're starting to convince that this in elaborate troll, I remember when you were the "payed nvidia shill" or whatever that title was .

 

Nah but seriously, ignore the ad hominem and use solid arguments and reason to win the debate. Then again, Trump won doing the opposite so...

[SurvivorNVL]

Just now, ivan134 said:

This is what happens when people are so anti science. You actually start to believe stupid and unfounded things like intelligence is hereditary.

Well, it's not like you can determine peoples illnesses, predispositions, chemical imbalances, and a variety of genetic ailments and possibility by peoples gene--ohwait.

Surprise.  Humans are Bio-Diverse, and we've evolved in various different locations on earth and in different periods mated with different species - neaderthals for instance, equating to why Europeans are naturally more inclined toward hardier bodies, climates, intelligence.  Certain races have certain attributes that are beneficial and harmful, same in all species on the planet.  Surprisingly Humans aren't that much different from dogs and animals.  

It's not Anti-Science it is recognition of the greatest and most underrated scientific field:  Eugenics + race realism.

[2FA]

3 minutes ago, ivan134 said:

This is what happens when people are so anti science. You actually start to believe stupid and unfounded things like intelligence is hereditary.

 

5 minutes ago, Kloaked said:

It's statistically provable, though.

Statistically, those of African heritage have less access to education. The statistic you think supports you @Kloaked is that blacks have on average a lower IQ. IQ is easily influenced by the level of education you have received, typically higher levels of education involve more critical thinking which in turns helps a person on an IQ test.

 

Also scientists have determined that at most 30% of intelligence is based on the genes you received from your parents, the rest is determined by your experiences and environment.

[DutchTexan]

Just now, DeadEyePsycho said:

I was being very specific in my terms if you weren't aware. Neoliberals are very close to the center compared to liberals which are supposed to be slightly more left, progressives even more left, and then socialists after that. Now I'm not going to bother distinguishing the economic and social beliefs of each but I pointed out neoliberals because they tend favor policies that promote crony capitalism even though they show a facade of consumerism.

 

The left gets a lot of hate due to a vocal minority that you refer to as SJWs and Regressives. The right gets similar hate because of a vocal minority as well.

 

I find talking to people in person about politics is a lot more enjoyable though which is why I typically don't get into long political debates online. People can't ignore points you make that way, which is usually the opposite online where they willingly ignore those points.

 

I will say that personally I am a progressive, I'm one of those people that want nationalized healthcare and higher education and fully know that it is supported by higher taxes and typically less emphasis on defense spending. I have no qualms with paying more in taxes because I see it as investing in society instead of giving my money to insurance companies and private universities which mainly goes to personal profit.

 

I would say the left is still fairly liberal in truth, it's just that the name has been hijacked by those posing as liberals.

Sorry, I don't mean for you to think I have been attacking you. I actually agree with most of what you have said. Your intentions and thoughts aren't too different than mine, from what I can tell so far.

 

I do agree that in person discussion is better, or 10x worse when people take things personally and emotionally. Generally, 'in-person' can be much more of an actual conversation and potentially lead to much better outcomes, on average, probably. :1

 

although saying, "...I am a progressive, I'm one of those people that want nationalized healthcare and higher education..." Is not something I see as a good thing, today. The best of intentions may be enmeshed with the former thinking, but I think it will ultimately lead to more harm than good. Good intentions don't always equal good outcomes.

 

There should be competition from healthcare providers. I don't interpret that as 'nationalized'. Higher education should stay away from government. Higher education is what America does a lot better than the rest of the world, in terms of quality, usually. The problem is the cost of higher education and the cultural aspects of brainwashing, which I credit to government intervention. Everytime I see a 'progressive' argument about nationalized or 'free' higher education I just see freshman year of college turning into 13th grade. Which is scary, because we all know how awful public education is.

 

The problem with American healthcare and higher education is almost the exact same. More often than not, the absolute best medical care and higher education is on US soil, the quality is there, but the system sucks. The pricing from government intervention ruins it for the majority. The government being involved is what ruins healthcare and education. If left to the free market, pure and true free market capitalism, then the people would have fixed the system by now via competition as consumers. IMO

 

Taxes is one of those things we will fundamentally disagree with. Less taxes is always good in my mind. Being okay with paying more taxes, is a negative mindset IMO. We should expect more from the individual, not society.

[Guest Kloaked]

1 minute ago, DeadEyePsycho said:

You're starting to convince that this in elaborate troll, I remember when you were the "payed nvidia shill" or whatever that title was .

Well that name got tossed at me so much I thought it as a meme, so I made it my title.  It was weird because I literally don't even like Nvidia.

2 minutes ago, DeadEyePsycho said:

Nah but seriously, ignore the ad hominem and use solid arguments and reason to win the debate.

Most of the arguments about politics all come down to anecdotes and links to news outlets who don't even tell the truth to begin with.

4 minutes ago, DeadEyePsycho said:

Then again, Trump won doing the opposite so...

He won because people are tired of being called bigots, racists, every name in the book to demonize someone (in other words, bigotry); was listened to by the middle class since the man actually knows about business; Clinton appealed to the people who were simply anti-Trump, just wanted a woman president because muh vagina, who bought into lies, or just didn't care.

 

...and so on.

 

I'm not going to say Trump didn't appeal to racist people, but I'm also not going to say Clinton didn't appeal to racists. Assholes have voting privileges too.

[SurvivorNVL]

1 minute ago, DeadEyePsycho said:

 

Statistically, those of African heritage have less access to education. The statistic you think supports you @Kloaked is that blacks have on average a lower IQ. IQ is easily influenced by the level of education you have received, typically higher levels of education involve more critical thinking which in turns helps a person on an IQ test.

 

Also scientists have determined that at most 30% of intelligence is based on the genes you received from your parents, the rest is determined by your experiences and environment.

Statistically they reach puberty sooner than any other race, and have on average been more likely to exhibit ease of aggression - this is known as the warrior gene, allowing them for their greater social cohesion and hunting ability in the African continent.  Due to the lack of extreme weather change and seasonal difference - many stunted their need for intellectual improvement because they didn't need it.  Europeans surviving in more varying climates and with the mating with neanderthals - evolved in a continent with much less sun, grew paler complexions, different facial physiognomy and then increased their intelligence and bodily durability to survive the seasons.  Couple that with such extensive European river-systems and our creation of new tools and communication grew exponentially.  Same occurred in Asia but with different variables.