PSU Tier List [OLD]

[Tim Serious]

1 hour ago, seon123 said:

Not high at all. It's group regulated, and you can find testing on Cybenetics

Oh thanks man but i don't understand the data

 

Will it be better than Corsair VS grey (tier 5) or comparable to Corsair CX grey (tier 3) ????

 

I am building a budget pc with r3 1200 and rx 460 , that's why asking

 

[MEC-777]

6 hours ago, OrbitalBuzzsaw said:

The 1060 would be fine with 400W

 

4 hours ago, PukiDuiki said:

Isn't 400 to little? Me old rig with gpu that was 140 tdp was pulling 380ish watts from wall. While gaming..

 

3 hours ago, Stefan Payne said:

What rig did you use? A Pentium D???

Even with my 125W TDP CPUs like FX8350 or i7-3820 and the Radeon HD7970GHz/280X I was at around 250-300W

i7-3930K a bit higher, obviously.

And I ran my i7-3930K with the Power BIOS of my RX480 Red Devil with a 400W Pure Power 10 CM without any issues...

 

I agree 400w would be enough for that system. The only problem I have with recommending a PSU in that segment is some may not have the PCIe cables required. Some don't have any and some only have a single 6 pin. If the GPU requires an 8 pin (I know the 1050ti doesn't need any, but the 1060 will), then you won't be able to power it. 

[PukiDuiki]

9 hours ago, Spotty said:

What model was your old PSU that died?

It might have been pulling 380w from the wall, but only delivering 250-300w to the system if it was a crap 10 year old $20 unit with 70% efficiency.

 

Is your CPU overclocked?

it was, lets say a crap.. that was rated for 700w no +80 anything..

[PukiDuiki]

8 hours ago, Stefan Payne said:

Why look for those? AMD's RX570 is dirt cheap right now. Like 150€ over here, so I'd rather get one of those right now...

Of course the 8GiB VRAM Version, 3GiB is just total bullshit for a higher end GPU, 4GiB the absolute minimum if you have to. But its barely enough with modern games and higher settings.

 

As for drawn from the wall:
What PSU was it? How efficient??

 

We are talking about 60-70% at worst with old, shitty PSU (Topower P4/P5 for example) up to 90% for modern Gold units...

At assumed 250W Load that would mean between 280W and 417W (usually with 80% efficiency, still 312,5W)...

RX570 starts at 240$ at my contry 1050ti is 200$ and 1060 3gb starts at 270$

ye it was old psu that was rated for 700w.. i think it would be at rank 5 from the list.

[PukiDuiki]

9 hours ago, Stefan Payne said:

What rig did you use? A Pentium D???

Even with my 125W TDP CPUs like FX8350 or i7-3820 and the Radeon HD7970GHz/280X I was at around 250-300W

i7-3930K a bit higher, obviously.

And I ran my i7-3930K with the Power BIOS of my RX480 Red Devil with a 400W Pure Power 10 CM without any issues...

 

I was running oc amd fx 8130 and little oc gtx 660, idk why, but when i was testing power draw etc.. max it hit was 380ish while gaming normaly was 340.

Maybe the old psu was at foult from the begining..  thats why im kinda scared to go for 400w

[Spotty]

3 minutes ago, PukiDuiki said:

it was, lets say a crap.. that was rated for 700w no +80 anything..

Do you know what model it was or has it been binned already?

Anyway, doesn't really matter that much going forward. If you're not overclocking your FX CPU then 400/450W would be fine. If you're overclocking your CPU and concerned about wattage, spend the extra $10 and grab a 500/550W instead.

 

1 minute ago, PukiDuiki said:

RX570 starts at 240$ at my contry 1050ti is 200$ and 1060 is aroun 300$

RX 570 outperforms the 1050 Ti, and the 1060 outperforms the RX 570. So those prices are more or less in line with what I would expect. How much does the RX 580 8GB cost? Often cheaper than the GTX 1060 though prices may vary where you live.
 

[PukiDuiki]

10 minutes ago, Spotty said:

Do you know what model it was or has it been binned already?

Anyway, doesn't really matter that much going forward. If you're not overclocking your FX CPU then 400/450W would be fine. If you're overclocking your CPU and concerned about wattage, spend the extra $10 and grab a 500/550W instead.

 

RX 570 outperforms the 1050 Ti, and the 1060 outperforms the RX 570. So those prices are more or less in line with what I would expect. How much does the RX 580 8GB cost? Often cheaper than the GTX 1060 though prices may vary where you live.
 

same price 580 and 1060 6gs  believe me i have checked all of them..

Psu is only problem atm for me

 Sorry don't know what model it was, aready in trash..

[PukiDuiki]

11 hours ago, Stefan Payne said:

Why look for those? AMD's RX570 is dirt cheap right now. Like 150€ over here, so I'd rather get one of those right now...

Of course the 8GiB VRAM Version, 3GiB is just total bullshit for a higher end GPU, 4GiB the absolute minimum if you have to. But its barely enough with modern games and higher settings.

 

As for drawn from the wall:
What PSU was it? How efficient??

 

We are talking about 60-70% at worst with old, shitty PSU (Topower P4/P5 for example) up to 90% for modern Gold units...

At assumed 250W Load that would mean between 280W and 417W (usually with 80% efficiency, still 312,5W)...

lil bit confused. about efficiency please explain?

If my old psu had 60-70% efficienty does tha mean 40-30% of power pulled of wall goes into "heat" aka i lose it?

And modern psu that has 90%+ efficient i lose only 10% of power draw?

So generally speaking, my system actually would be pulling only "250w" but because of old psu that had 60-70% it was over 350w? 

Meaning if i get "new good psu" i will lose less power in "heat" and such my system could be pulling only abouth "280w" instead of that "350w"?

[MEC-777]

2 hours ago, PukiDuiki said:

lil bit confused. about efficiency please explain?

If my old psu had 60-70% efficienty does tha mean 40-30% of power pulled of wall goes into "heat" aka i lose it?

And modern psu that has 90%+ efficient i lose only 10% of power draw?

So generally speaking, my system actually would be pulling only "250w" but because of old psu that had 60-70% it was over 350w? 

Meaning if i get "new good psu" i will lose less power in "heat" and such my system could be pulling only abouth "280w" instead of that "350w"?

You've got it, for the most part. The system only draws what it needs. The PSU will draw what is necessary to deliver that. The worse the efficiency of the PSU, the more the PSU will draw from the wall (above and beyond what the system needs) and waste in heat output. 

[Stefan Payne]

8 hours ago, PukiDuiki said:

lil bit confused. about efficiency please explain?

Efficiency is the factor of converting one form of energy in other forms you want to use.

the law of energy conservation says that energy can not be lost, only converted in other forms.

 

The other forms are, in this case, one Voltage into other voltages. That is the form of energy we want.

Another example is a motor that converts some form of Energy into movement energy.

Or take for example a lightbulb, wich converts electrical energy in light-engy (and the old incadescent mostly heat)

 

What is normally said to be the loss is the form of energy that are annoying and you do not want - and often cause you trouble. 

In general its mostly heat.

 

8 hours ago, PukiDuiki said:

If my old psu had 60-70% efficienty does tha mean 40-30% of power pulled of wall goes into "heat" aka i lose it?

You don't loose it, but it is mostly heat, yes.

You also need a bit of energy for the magnetics in the PSU as well.

 

But the 60-70% Efficiency is something we haven't really seen in somewhat OKish PSU for like 15 years or so. In 2005 or 6 those were mostly gone. 

You only see them in low cost d

8 hours ago, PukiDuiki said:

And modern psu that has 90%+ efficient i lose only 10% of power draw?

Correct, 

With 90% of efficiency, only 10% of the Wattage consumed gets converted to things you don't want.

 

8 hours ago, PukiDuiki said:

So generally speaking, my system actually would be pulling only "250w" but because of old psu that had 60-70% it was over 350w? 

Correct.

If it is in that 60-70% area, wich should be rather unlikely.

 

8 hours ago, PukiDuiki said:

Meaning if i get "new good psu" i will lose less power in "heat" and such my system could be pulling only abouth "280w" instead of that "350w"?

In theory, that is possible.

But Unlikely. With a decent "Named Brand" PSU of the last couple of years, we're talking usually about like 80% or so minimum under normal loads (20-100%).

For example with 80% Efficiency and 280W Load on the PC Side, we're around 350W Primary.

With 90% Efficiency that shrinks to 311,1111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111W

[PukiDuiki]

2 hours ago, Stefan Payne said:

Efficiency is the factor of converting one form of energy in other forms you want to use.

the law of energy conservation says that energy can not be lost, only converted in other forms.

 

The other forms are, in this case, one Voltage into other voltages. That is the form of energy we want.

Another example is a motor that converts some form of Energy into movement energy.

Or take for example a lightbulb, wich converts electrical energy in light-engy (and the old incadescent mostly heat)

 

What is normally said to be the loss is the form of energy that are annoying and you do not want - and often cause you trouble. 

In general its mostly heat.

 

You don't loose it, but it is mostly heat, yes.

You also need a bit of energy for the magnetics in the PSU as well.

 

But the 60-70% Efficiency is something we haven't really seen in somewhat OKish PSU for like 15 years or so. In 2005 or 6 those were mostly gone. 

You only see them in low cost d

Correct, 

With 90% of efficiency, only 10% of the Wattage consumed gets converted to things you don't want.

 

Correct.

If it is in that 60-70% area, wich should be rather unlikely.

 

In theory, that is possible.

But Unlikely. With a decent "Named Brand" PSU of the last couple of years, we're talking usually about like 80% or so minimum under normal loads (20-100%).

For example with 80% Efficiency and 280W Load on the PC Side, we're around 350W Primary.

With 90% Efficiency that shrinks to 311,1111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111W

My pc was prebuilt from store, and i bought it 6 years ago.. Who knows how old the psu was..

Thanks alot for explaining, will be going with Pure Power 11 400w unit then

[Tamago_Sushi]

Is Aurum PT 1200 a good choice? 

Should I still follow this tierlist or should I check the new tierlist 3.0?

[orbitalbuzzsaw]

3 hours ago, Tamago_Sushi said:

Is Aurum PT 1200 a good choice? 

Should I still follow this tierlist or should I check the new tierlist 3.0?

It's still accurate, just not updated with new PSUs anymore. Yes, the Aurum PT is very good

[Rexper]

12 hours ago, Tamago_Sushi said:

Is Aurum PT 1200 a good choice? 

 

Good choice for what? What's your system and future intentions? Do you care about efficiency, noise, modularity, lifespan, etc. What's the price? 

 

12 hours ago, Tamago_Sushi said:

Should I still follow this tierlist or should I check the new tierlist 3.0?

If you can make an account, and post in the forums, you shouldn't follow any tierlist. For a much more reliable recommendation, post a thread containing information I described earlier.

 

Or learn the basics of how the PSU operates, understand what aspects make a PSU "better" and what it does for your system. Then read some professional reviews, such as https://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/FSP/PT-1200FM/

 

The Tier List 3.0 is hardly different to this one.

 

8 hours ago, OrbitalBuzzsaw said:

It's still accurate, just not updated with new PSUs anymore

You can't have an accurate PSU tierlist. They're all subjective without any specific criteria. 

[Tamago_Sushi]

16 hours ago, Rexper said:

Good choice for what? What's your system and future intentions? Do you care about efficiency, noise, modularity, lifespan, etc. What's the price? 

 

If you can make an account, and post in the forums, you shouldn't follow any tierlist. For a much more reliable recommendation, post a thread containing information I described earlier.

 

Or learn the basics of how the PSU operates, understand what aspects make a PSU "better" and what it does for your system. Then read some professional reviews, such as https://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/FSP/PT-1200FM/

 

The Tier List 3.0 is hardly different to this one.

 

You can't have an accurate PSU tierlist. They're all subjective without any specific criteria. 

I'm currently building a new desktop. The desktop is gonna be on the floor most of the time.  My specs I intended to get is a 9700k, a rtx 2080ti, 8gbx2 ram. Price is around Aurum PT 1200's price range. Around 200 usd 

I prefer the psu to be modular so I dont have too many wires to manage around. Noise is not really a concern I think, its gonna be on the floor most of the time, lifespan around 5 years and efficiency shouldnt be an issue? I just want a top tier psu that wouldnt fail on me haha.. Thanks!  

On 2/3/2019 at 1:14 AM, OrbitalBuzzsaw said:

It's still accurate, just not updated with new PSUs anymore. Yes, the Aurum PT is very good

Ahh okok thanks :3 

[orbitalbuzzsaw]

16 minutes ago, Tamago_Sushi said:

I'm currently building a new desktop. The desktop is gonna be on the floor most of the time.  My specs I intended to get is a 9700k, a rtx 2080ti, 8gbx2 ram. Price is around Aurum PT 1200's price range. Around 200 usd 

I prefer the psu to be modular so I dont have too many wires to manage around. Noise is not really a concern I think, its gonna be on the floor most of the time, lifespan around 5 years and efficiency shouldnt be an issue? I just want a top tier psu that wouldnt fail on me haha.. Thanks!  

Ahh okok thanks :3 

You really don't need 1200Watts then. 550 or 650 at most would be fine

[Tamago_Sushi]

11 hours ago, OrbitalBuzzsaw said:

You really don't need 1200Watts then. 550 or 650 at most would be fine

Hmm.. cuz I thought the price between 1200w and 750w arent that much of difference... My local ( Malaysia ) store here Aurum PT 1200w is RM 869 while a 750w Evga P2 is RM750.. So I thought it doesnt make much of a difference, so I thought getting the one with more power will be a much better choice? 

[Rexper]

2 hours ago, Tamago_Sushi said:

My local ( Malaysia ) store

What's available at their store?

[Tamago_Sushi]

44 minutes ago, Rexper said:

What's available at their store?

Quite a few kinds

FSP Aurum PT 1200w , PTM series, Corsair AXi, AX, RMi, HX, HXi, EVGA P2, G2, GQ, G+, Leadex, Leadex II, Thermaltake iRGB series, Silverstone Strider Platinum, Seasonic Prime, Prime Ultra, X-series.. Still got some others 

 

[MEC-777]

8 hours ago, Tamago_Sushi said:

Hmm.. cuz I thought the price between 1200w and 750w arent that much of difference... My local ( Malaysia ) store here Aurum PT 1200w is RM 869 while a 750w Evga P2 is RM750.. So I thought it doesnt make much of a difference, so I thought getting the one with more power will be a much better choice? 

There is pretty much no benefit at all going with a much higher wattage unit than you actually need (550-650w). It will run louder and your system components won't be protected very well as the OCP (if it has that) will be set much higher. 

 

Quality > Quantity.  

[Stefan Payne]

6 hours ago, Tamago_Sushi said:

Quite a few kinds

FSP Aurum PT 1200w , PTM series, Corsair AXi, AX, RMi, HX, HXi, EVGA P2, G2, GQ, G+, Leadex, Leadex II, Thermaltake iRGB series, Silverstone Strider Platinum, Seasonic Prime, Prime Ultra, X-series.. Still got some others 

 

Aurum PTM is OK so far.

EVGA I'd avoid for product political reasons.

Ledex II is OKish, if you don't mind fan noise

Thermaltake iRGB depends. Some are nice, some are shit.

 

Silverstone Strider Platinum is nice as well...

 

Seasonic I don't like for various reasons (like rather high fan Speed, the selling of the S12II in 2019)...

[Tamago_Sushi]

1 hour ago, Stefan Payne said:

Aurum PTM is OK so far.

EVGA I'd avoid for product political reasons.

Ledex II is OKish, if you don't mind fan noise

Thermaltake iRGB depends. Some are nice, some are shit.

 

Silverstone Strider Platinum is nice as well...

 

Seasonic I don't like for various reasons (like rather high fan Speed, the selling of the S12II in 2019)...

Are there any brands that you would recommend wholeheartedly?  

Oh ya, I do have Be Quiet! Dark Power 11 in my local store as well.. 

I seriously have no idea what to pick for PSU.. ._. 

( You can say I'm like trying to aim for Tier 1 PSUs hahahaa.. Just looking at Tier cuz I dont know anything about PSU ) 

[Tamago_Sushi]

On 2/5/2019 at 12:05 AM, Stefan Payne said:

Aurum PTM is OK so far.

EVGA I'd avoid for product political reasons.

Ledex II is OKish, if you don't mind fan noise

Thermaltake iRGB depends. Some are nice, some are shit.

 

Silverstone Strider Platinum is nice as well...

 

Seasonic I don't like for various reasons (like rather high fan Speed, the selling of the S12II in 2019)...

Outside of political reasons for EVGA, would you recommend EVGA P2 750w or Silverstone Strider Titanium 700/800w? 

 

 

[Stefan Payne]

19 minutes ago, Tamago_Sushi said:

Outside of political reasons for EVGA, would you recommend EVGA P2 750w or Silverstone Strider Titanium 700/800w? 

no, neither

[Tamago_Sushi]

15 minutes ago, Stefan Payne said:

no, neither

Ahh okok >< Which psu around 750w would you recommend?