1080p resolution games to be mandatory on PS4 Neo

[asim1999]

Now all we need is 60FPS to be mandatory. This is a good move though. 

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Digital Foundry’s own sources have confirmed that there will be no online segregation between the PS4 and the Neo, which could potentially cause some balance issues with multiplayer games. For instance, if a multiplayer game runs at 30 frames per second on the original PS4 but 60 on the Neo, then that could be an advantage.
Save data will be cross-platform, all purchases will be cross-platform and the Dualshock 4 will still be the primary controller for both versions of the PS4. So you won’t need to worry about getting new peripherals, or old PS4 games not running.
One thing that does seem clear at this point is that somebody over at Sony really likes The Matrix. First we were introduced to Project Morpheus, which has gone on to become PlayStation VR and now, the codename for this upgraded PS4 is ‘Neo’, potentially hinting that Sony has had this planned for quite some time

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ony is requiring all developers to ensure that games run or at least look better on the PS4 Neo compared to the base model, meaning no game can go below 1080p resolution. While older games can be patched with Neo support, all games from October onwards will be required to take advantage of the new hardware at launch, while also having a display mode that supports the original PS4.

Source:http://www.kitguru.net/desktop-pc/console-desktop-pc/matthew-wilson/1080p-resolution-to-be-mandatory-on-ps4-neo/

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Hm... and they did make sound announcement about rejecting games below 60 fps for their VR system... I wonder if there will be overlap between these two rules or not.  We console users can only hope

[GeekJump]

1 hour ago, asim1999 said:

no online segregation between the PS4 and the Neo, which could potentially cause some balance issues with multiplayer games. For instance, if a multiplayer game runs at 30 frames per second on the original PS4 but 60 on the Neo, then that could be an advantage.

Do they really need to sell this point? Different FPS has been in PC gaming forever.

 

The 1080 min. is a good thing, especially since they are saying this will upscale games to 4K.

[spartaman64]

might be a bad move if this means games will run at lower than 30fps now. i think the fps is more important than the resolution 

[Scruffy90]

I think Sony is more interested in pushing 4k over fps because if i recall correctly they have huge stake in Bluray XL and they have one of the only 4k BD players on the market. The PS4 would have massive appeal as a 4kBD player too

[Albatross]

At what cost will 1080p resolution cost console gamers? Another 10fps? They can barely afford to lose 1...

[Bouzoo]

1 minute ago, Albatross said:

At what cost will 1080p resolution cost console gamers? Another 10fps? They can barely afford to lose 1...

If rumors turn out to be true and the GPU turns out to be the Polaris successor of 380X I don't see a problem with 1080p 60FPS.

[Godlygamer23]

Just so everyone is clear on what is changing with the NEO revision of the console, the specs as we know them to be will be listed below as indicated by the report:

CPU: Currently, the PS4 uses an eight core Jaguar CPU clocked at 1.6GHz. The NEO revision will have the same CPU, but it'll be clocked at 2.1GHz.

GPU: Currently, the PS4 uses some sort of AMD GPU which seems to be roughly equivalent to a 7870(18CUs at 800MHz). The NEO will have 36CUs clocked at 911MHz.

Memory: PS4 currently has 8GB of GDDR5 memory with a bandwidth of 176GB/s. The NEO version will have the same amount and type, except its total bandwidth is 218GB/s instead. 

Source for the above information: http://www.giantbomb.com/articles/sources-the-upgraded-playstation-4-is-codenamed-ne/1100-5437/

Edited April 20, 2016 by Godlygamer23
Type correction.

[VagabondWraith]

If this has a 4K Blu-ray drive, so I can watch 4K Blu-ray movies on my 4K tv, this is an instant purchase for me.

 

Please Sony, make this happen.

[Bouzoo]

3 minutes ago, Godlygamer23 said:

Memory: PS4 currently has 8GB of GDDR5 memory with a bandwidth of 176GB/s. The NEO version will have the same amount and type, except its total bandwidth is 218GB/s instead. 

But they have changed something, probably faster kit/modules. 24% more bandwidth is 24% more bandwidth and it came from somewhere, so we'll see about that. 

[Sauron]

6 minutes ago, Godlygamer23 said:

GPU: Currently, the PS4 uses some sort of AMD GPU which seems to be roughly equivalent to a 7870(18CUs at 800MHz). The NEO will have 36CUs clocked at 911MHz.

That would fit an r9 290/390. I wonder if they're crazy enough to have one of those in such a small space - and what the price will be, considering r9 390s go for about 300$.

[Godlygamer23]

Just now, Bouzoo said:

But they have changed something, probably faster kit/modules. 24% more bandwidth is 24% more bandwidth and it came from somewhere, so we'll see about that. 

Clocks and latency. Probably nothing too major.

[Bouzoo]

1 minute ago, Godlygamer23 said:

Clocks and latency. Probably nothing too major.

My thoughts exactly, but I can't shake the feeling we'll get surprised there. I'll probably get disappointed though.

[GoodBytes]

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[Godlygamer23]

10 minutes ago, Bouzoo said:

My thoughts exactly, but I can't shake the feeling we'll get surprised there. I'll probably get disappointed though.

I wonder if Sony prepared for this time. Thought ahead and did testing on parts to see what would be achievable for a decent 4K gaming experience and did some internal experimentation with VR, including any binning.

[Scruffy90]

18 minutes ago, VagabondWraith said:

If this has a 4K Blu-ray drive, so I can watch 4K Blu-ray movies on my 4K tv, this is an instant purchase for me.

 

Please Sony, make this happen.

And this is what Sony is banking on. Like I said before, I believe that this is their primary focus.

 

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30 minutes ago, Godlygamer23 said:

Just so everyone is clear on what is changing with the NEO revision of the console, the specs as we know them to be will be listed below as indicated by the report:

CPU: Currently, the PS4 uses an eight core Jaguar CPU clocked at 1.6GHz. The NEO revision will have the same CPU, but it'll be clocked at 2.1GHz.

GPU: Currently, the PS4 uses some sort of AMD GPU which seems to be roughly equivalent to a 7870(18CUs at 800MHz). The NEO will have 36CUs clocked at 911MHz.

Memory: PS4 currently has 8GB of GDDR5 memory with a bandwidth of 176GB/s. The NEO version will have the same amount and type, except its total bandwidth is 218GB/s instead. 

Source for the above information: http://www.giantbomb.com/articles/sources-the-upgraded-playstation-4-is-codenamed-ne/1100-5437/

Based on that, it should be enough to do 1080p at 60 fps in all current titles the way said titles are setup graphics wise.  I don't care personally, but if I did, I would want them to do that, rather than shoot for 4K or better graphics or anything else.

[Godlygamer23]

1 minute ago, Ryan_Vickers said:

Based on that, it should be enough to do 1080p at 60 fps in all current titles the way said titles are setup graphics wise.  I don't care personally, but if I did, I would want them to do that, rather than shoot for 4K or better graphics or anything else.

I'm not sure how I feel about Sony locking devs out from making NEO exclusive content. 

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1 hour ago, Godlygamer23 said:

I'm not sure how I feel about Sony locking devs out from making NEO exclusive content. 

Wait, did they say they would do that?  I kind of doubt they will - I suspect they will want to entice people to upgrade just as the original ps4 had exclusives.

[Godlygamer23]

1 minute ago, Ryan_Vickers said:

Wait, did they say they would do that?  I kind of doubt they will - I suspect they will want to entice people to upgrade just as the original ps4 had exclusives.

From the article I used earlier:

Sony seems committed to keeping the NEO and the original PS4 player bases connected. As such, there will be no NEO-only games, and Sony will not let developers separate NEO users from original PS4 players while playing on PSN. Likewise, Sony explicitly and repeatedly states that developers cannot offer exclusive gameplay options or special unlockables for NEO players—so don’t expect NEO owners to get a level editor or a special Rocket League car that you won’t have access to on your original PS4.

[AlexGoesHigh]

2 hours ago, Sauron said:

That would fit an r9 290/390. I wonder if they're crazy enough to have one of those in such a small space - and what the price will be, considering r9 390s go for about 300$.

One of the articles i read about the hardware upgrades say they will sell it for the original launch price of the PS4, so $399.

1 hour ago, Godlygamer23 said:

I'm not sure how I feel about Sony locking devs out from making NEO exclusive content. 

This is to avoid the rage of the 30+ millions of people that own the current PS4, i'm all for shorter hardware refreshes on consoles but you can bet there will be a lot of mad people if games came out that don't run on the OG hardware the thing is just going to be 3 years old this October.

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3 minutes ago, Godlygamer23 said:

From the article I used earlier:

 

 

Hm, I'm surprised they did that, because honestly it's probably a good thing.  It will keep their player base form getting fragmented, and it will prevent devs from ruining new games by wasting the NEO's extra power on graphics before they've even made it playable (60 fps)

[Godlygamer23]

2 minutes ago, AlexGoesHigh said:

This is to avoid the rage of the 30+ millions of people that own the current PS4, i'm all for shorter hardware refreshes on consoles but you can bet there will be a lot of mad people if games came out that don't run on the OG hardware the thing is just going to be 3 years old this October.

Yeah, that's likely what the reason was. 

[GeekJump]

13 hours ago, Scruffy90 said:

And this is what Sony is banking on. Like I said before, I believe that this is their primary focus.

 

14 hours ago, VagabondWraith said:

If this has a 4K Blu-ray drive, so I can watch 4K Blu-ray movies on my 4K tv, this is an instant purchase for me.

 

Please Sony, make this happen.

I don't think the optical drive in the 'Neo' is going to support real 4k BR. Current 4k players cost the same as PS4 now. Idt Sony is willing to lose money on 4k players - it's pretty much confirmed the neo will cost current ps4 price. It's just going to upscale 1080 content to 4k like some blu ray players do now.

 

13 hours ago, Godlygamer23 said:

I'm not sure how I feel about Sony locking devs out from making NEO exclusive content. 

I think it's Smart for now. Now meaning - they will probably let devs make exclusive content a couple years from now once the Neo catches up to Ps4 sale levels. They would have hit 'Microsoft first announcing the Xbox one' level PR suicide if they allowed the Neo have exclusive titles when the Ps4 is just 3 years old. It would be a giant f-you to your install base. Like Nintendo did with the *new* 3ds....

 

PS - F* you Nintendo!

[VagabondWraith]

@GeekJump

 

Sony sold the PS3 at a loss when it launched. Even moreso when it's price dropped because of stagnant sales. I don't think it's unrealistic for them to support native 4K in the Neo if they're really gonna want to push 4K mainstream. I mean, they developed Blu-ray after all.