Why is my PC Bottlenecking in Games?

[ClobberXD]

7 hours ago, MarcWolfe said:

If I read that right your CPU is stuck at 1.177 Ghz. If so, that's your problem. Now what's causing it? Could be before mentioned chip set (maybe, I don't exactly why though) or CPU could just be dieing. I'd check bios settings again. Can you post a graph for bench marks? Maybe prime 95 and 3D Mark (one to stress CPU, and one to stress GPU).

 

Isn't that the GPU's core clock? But I also don't think there is a separate graph for CPU core clock...

[tuffjuff]

I can't find it in the thread so I apologize, but have you tried contacting Riot? Aside from a RAM issue, I have no idea what the problem could be.

[Denis_Twin]

8 minutes ago, tuffjuff said:

I can't find it in the thread so I apologize, but have you tried contacting Riot? Aside from a RAM issue, I have no idea what the problem could be.

Yes, all companies to be precise.

My main concern is if my PC is capable to run those games properly.

[tuffjuff]

I mean, the only thing that seems to be "out of the ordinary" in your system is the RAM, and that's primarily because we don't typically associate gaming with ECC RAM. Otherwise, the Xeon is effectively identical to a similarly equipped Core i7.

[Denis_Twin]

1 minute ago, tuffjuff said:

I mean, the only thing that seems to be "out of the ordinary" in your system is the RAM, and that's primarily because we don't typically associate gaming with ECC RAM. Otherwise, the Xeon is effectively identical to a similarly equipped Core i7.

Yes, xeon is an i7 for professionals. That's how they re-brand the products, if I would buy a new cpu it wouldn't be the counterpart but a extreme end one or an good APU with good cooler.

ECC Ram only loses 7% performance compared to the consumer versions according to the manufacturers, but it could cause trouble in some cases.

The main factor is that I get Pagefaults_In_NonPaged_Area error when trying to run any passmark software, it is BSOD kind of error.

But never had a report in memtest(s) I ran each one of my modules.

So I am not very familiar with what exactly is going on. My CPU has high load spikes sometimes if you see the graphs.

If I ALT+TAB or something similar, it will spike, or if I move my mouse out of the blue but it will be less load than alt+tab, I dont know if it is normal but I hope it is.

For some mysterious reason the cores are not evenly used but instead one of them is working harder than the others which are used but not at full. I tried playing with affinity and all, but it did not work.

[Nena Trinity]

4 hours ago, TwinDenis said:

Yes, xeon is an i7 for professionals. That's how they re-brand the products, if I would buy a new cpu it wouldn't be the counterpart but a extreme end one or an good APU with good cooler.

ECC Ram only loses 7% performance compared to the consumer versions according to the manufacturers, but it could cause trouble in some cases.

The main factor is that I get Pagefaults_In_NonPaged_Area error when trying to run any passmark software, it is BSOD kind of error.

But never had a report in memtest(s) I ran each one of my modules.

So I am not very familiar with what exactly is going on. My CPU has high load spikes sometimes if you see the graphs.

If I ALT+TAB or something similar, it will spike, or if I move my mouse out of the blue but it will be less load than alt+tab, I dont know if it is normal but I hope it is.

For some mysterious reason the cores are not evenly used but instead one of them is working harder than the others which are used but not at full. I tried playing with affinity and all, but it did not work.

Does it still struggle with HoTs? If so I think you should try a full hardware test...

[Denis_Twin]

1 hour ago, Nena360 said:

Does it still struggle with HoTs? If so I think you should try a full hardware test...

Yes I should try a hardware test, I wish I knew any besides dell diagnostics.

Is there a way to test where could a component cause trouble in a game? besides heaven-type benchmarks because they are only benchmarking the gpu. I have a 3D mark test already done though.

http://www.3dmark.com/3dm/10505457

 

 

[Denis_Twin]

Update:

I tried running the witcher 3, on ultra I was having screen tearing with vsync enabled.

On high with 1080p it was running okay, but sometimes I was having screen tearing, there is no way to check if there is a choppy fps issue even with an fps counter, so anyway.

I used DSR 2.0 of my native which is 1200p, So around 1600p in high settings was screen tearing and kinda watery-some parts of the screen were rendering slower than others, causing in a wave effect, essentially screen tearing. So I made it back to 1080p. High settings. AA closed and all unnecessary things.

Here are some results of afterburner running the witcher 3 on ultra in order to show a stressed benchmark result.

 

I think it is a good time to ask some questions in order to not get confused.

1) Is the CPU oKay?

2) Is the motherboard okay?

3) Is the power supply okay?

4) Is the ram okay?

 

I use my pc for some 3D and mid-high end gaming so pretty much depends. I need to render so I would need some parts like the xeon more than an i7 but it should work for games as well since it is a re-brand of i7. Normaly xeons that are bad for games are the multicore ones (6+ cores) because the games do not utilize them, like linus tried a 16+ core xeon and attempted to make it work for games, but did not work because each core had 2.6ghz or something.

Fact is that games do not utilize the additional hardware capabilities of our hardware so we end up buying some beast-price brands for gaming in the end of the day.

Below is the screenshot of a monitor program.

 

[ClobberXD]

14 hours ago, TwinDenis said:

Yes, xeon is an i7 for professionals. That's how they re-brand the products, if I would buy a new cpu it wouldn't be the counterpart but a extreme end one or an good APU with good cooler.

ECC Ram only loses 7% performance compared to the consumer versions according to the manufacturers, but it could cause trouble in some cases.

The main factor is that I get Pagefaults_In_NonPaged_Area error when trying to run any passmark software, it is BSOD kind of error.

But never had a report in memtest(s) I ran each one of my modules.

So I am not very familiar with what exactly is going on. My CPU has high load spikes sometimes if you see the graphs.

If I ALT+TAB or something similar, it will spike, or if I move my mouse out of the blue but it will be less load than alt+tab, I dont know if it is normal but I hope it is.

For some mysterious reason the cores are not evenly used but instead one of them is working harder than the others which are used but not at full. I tried playing with affinity and all, but it did not work.

 

I suggest you try looking at Event Viewer in Windows - if there is any problem anywhere in the PC, you're sure to find an entry in the Event Logs, which can be monitored using Event Viewer.

[MarcWolfe]

Does that say 3.5Ghz (3500Mhz) RAM clock? That's got to be a record, or an error. I had to re check what a page file was, but it's a section of your hard drive that gets used as RAM, some recommend disabling it for better SSD life span. I'm just speculating but maybe disabling it if you haven't already would keep you from getting any "page" errors, it could be a drive failure or SATA controller issue..... maybe. Seams like paging data is being written to the wrong area/partition of the hard drive from the sound of that error message. Could try plugging hard drive into different SATA socket on motherboard. I may be grasping at straws here, I don't know.

Edited February 9, 2016 by MarcWolfe

[Denis_Twin]

45 minutes ago, MarcWolfe said:

Does that say 3.5Ghz (3500Mhz) RAM clock? That's got to be a record, or an error. I had to re check what a page file was, but it's a section of your hard drive that gets used as RAM, some recommend disabling it for better SSD life span. I'm just speculating but maybe disabling it if you haven't already would keep you from getting any "page" errors, it could be a drive failure or SATA controller issue..... maybe. Seams like paging data is being written to the wrong area/partition of the hard drive from the sound of that error message. Could try plugging hard drive into different SATA socket on motherboard. I may be grasping at straws here, I don't know.

Wrong, I use an ssd and HDD, I have my page file on default but it will not change anything.

It is not the page file which has the issue, keep in mind afterburner has the values under the name and not above.

Video memory is used that much because you have to take into account> ultra of witcher 3 is including technologies of the tier of hairworks, etc.

[MarcWolfe]

Are you running Windows 10? Windows 10 sucks, wouldn't hurt to try it. You got a better idea?

[Denis_Twin]

2 hours ago, MarcWolfe said:

Are you running Windows 10? Windows 10 sucks, wouldn't hurt to try it. You got a better idea?

You start to make no sense man.

Windows 10 is stable now, recommended upgrade date will be before summer and after winter, it is already stable though. Kinda like windows 7, faster a bit, more responsive.

I use windows 10 64 pro. It is licenced, actual copy because my windows 7 was OEM and not bought copy, no idea where they were going with that but oh well.

This is completely out of topic though because in the first post it is stated that I did have the issue both on windows 7 and 10.

[MarcWolfe]

Do you think I'm keeping track of every single thing about your build? Not quite. Did you try disabling paging? Did you try changing SATA ports? All typical option have been suggested. Either try some odd ball shit (like I just listed), start buying new hardware, or deal with the issues you have now. Those are your options. Before your bitch about my "attitude" remember, nobody is paying me for your technical support.

[MarcWolfe]

Reslot components, use dielectric grease, electrical contact cleaner, check for possible damaged solder points and resolder them, find out which hard drive has the paging files written to it then transfer the operating system to the other and run just the one drive as a test, you're going to have to get creative. PS your chipset is definitely x79, which only includes a southbridge, no north bridge.

Edited February 9, 2016 by MarcWolfe

[Denis_Twin]

33 minutes ago, MarcWolfe said:

Do you think I'm keeping track of every single thing about your build? Not quite. Did you try disabling paging? Did you try changing SATA ports? All typical option have been suggested. Either try some odd ball shit (like I just listed), start buying new hardware, or deal with the issues you have now. Those are your options. Before your bitch about my "attitude" remember, nobody is paying me for your technical support.

Yes I have tried,

again this makes no sense, its like going to the doctor for help and he tells me to breath, its not the solution but it would help breathing fresh air, I would still have the issues of course.

28 minutes ago, MarcWolfe said:

Reslot components, use dielectric grease, electrical contact cleaner, check for possible damaged solder points and resolder them, find out which hard drive has the paging files written to it then transfer the operating system to the other and run just the one drive as a test, you're going to have to get creative. PS your chipset is definitely x79, which only includes a southbridge, no north bridge.

Every component is new, it is swapped by warranty already. No dust. Page file is fine. The error if you recall "Pagefaults In NONPAGED Area" which means, not in the pagefile.

We will wait for the ram modules first then we will see if that is the case or not. But the error is definitely ram related.

 

anyway, Thats that.

[MarcWolfe]

6 hours ago, TwinDenis said:

Yes I have tried,

again this makes no sense, its like going to the doctor for help and he tells me to breath, its not the solution but it would help breathing fresh air, I would still have the issues of course.

Every component is new, it is swapped by warranty already. No dust. Page file is fine. The error if you recall "Pagefaults In NONPAGED Area" which means, not in the pagefile.

We will wait for the ram modules first then we will see if that is the case or not. But the error is definitely ram related.

 

anyway, Thats that.

Page fault in non page area. Translation, a page file is where it shouldn't be. Probably ram related, if ram fales you would need a larger paging file, but the page file size limit is set too low (considering ram may not be working). To try and verify it (just for shit and giggles), you could deactivate paging, witch could cause a crash or drastic drop in performance, or increase page file size limit which may compensate considerably.

Edited February 10, 2016 by MarcWolfe

[MarcWolfe]

The purpose of doing such a test is for a diagnosis, without spending a penny to reach that diagnosis.

[Denis_Twin]

5 hours ago, MarcWolfe said:

Page fault in non page area. Translation, a page file is where it shouldn't be. Probably ram related, if ram fales you would need a larger paging file, but the page file size limit is set too low (considering ram may not be working). To try and verify it (just for shit and giggles), you could deactivate paging, witch could cause a crash or drastic drop in performance, or increase page file size limit which may compensate considerably.

pagefault in nonpaged area not in nonpage area. As said in the "What I did" section, so I did.

5 hours ago, MarcWolfe said:

The purpose of doing such a test is for a diagnosis, without spending a penny to reach that diagnosis.

Instead of double posting in a short period of time you could edit the first post and write there, just saying.

[Denis_Twin]

So I did a run in Guild Wars 2 with high settings, here are the results:

I had this problem sometimes, especially when I was in a valley of fog/smoke.

[Denis_Twin]

So another update with a new benchmark, this time playing blade and soul, there is the same effect but generally more often than gw2, (did not make the settings ultra):

[Denis_Twin]

Update: I got my new ram and the problem still persists.

In gw2 I think only I got smooth performance by disabling throttling in power options.

But I only could fix gw2 and I am not sure if it will have the same performance in smokey areas.

[ClobberXD]

11 hours ago, TwinDenis said:

Update: I got my new ram and the problem still persists.

In gw2 I think only I got smooth performance by disabling throttling in power options.

But I only could fix gw2 and I am not sure if it will have the same performance in smokey areas.

Man... seriously! This topic is about to touch the five-page milestone!

 

On a more serious note, I dead-suspect your Motherboard-CPU combination. Better do something about it... Think about it. You have swapped every other part out, and the problem persists! And if that is not possible, try going for a new rig - no, really!

[NumLock21]

Ram isn't the problem too? Well the other option is, have you tried using a amd card.

[Denis_Twin]

6 hours ago, NumLock21 said:

Ram isn't the problem too? Well the other option is, have you tried using a amd card.

 

8 hours ago, anandgeforce said:

Man... seriously! This topic is about to touch the five-page milestone!

 

On a more serious note, I dead-suspect your Motherboard-CPU combination. Better do something about it... Think about it. You have swapped every other part out, and the problem persists! And if that is not possible, try going for a new rig - no, really!

Sorry but for both suggestions I need sponsors.

For those experiments I need 600+ to spend on components.

We try to fix it not buy a new pc.

Disabling throttling on CPU via power options increased performance in gw2 when I bench-marked it but still encounter problems in games like blade and soul and in gw2 on areas with smoke effects.

Same for heroes of the storm, still having problems, in league of legends I dont have this problem because ...well... its lol right? it doesnt need any power. They fixed some bug that was causing issues as I believe have mentioned before so now it works okay.

But to summarize, I have problems in:

BnS almost everywhere, GW2 on smoke areas, Heroes Of The Storm after minion spawn and in fights and constant after that.

I could have problems in other games too but no time for games ;P

 

I have to say I optimized my PC so much that it is impossible to miss something, if you suggest something there is a 80%-90% rate that I have done it.

 

So list multiple solutions or troubleshoot methods in order to have better quality of replies, because as you said, its 4 pages, which is believe me pretty small.

I have done 14 page thread for this subject in other forums but thats not the point. I was not treated well and I posted here instead.

Fact of the matter is that 1 page full of useful information and quality replies is way better than 16+ pages of trash information (no offense and did not see any but just saying) for the shake of expressing and pointing the right way to judge the end of a thread versus the early stages.

I did receive semi-useful information so far and information related to replacing stuff is not useful because this is straight forward and not really helps pinpoint the cause. To put it simply, if I buy a new gaming pc worth 3000 it will have me able to play with no issues indeed, but will it solve the problem? No it will not, it will only make me able to do the job I wanted to.

So in the end of the day I would spend more money and less time but this is luxury and if you are able to do that as easy as you suggest it then you could be having the luxury. But I dont and thats why I come in the tech forums of linus to ask for assistance and not just buy a new PC which would be the simplest yet pointless choice.

Did you know, your PC components are recycled products, which means someone else used the majority of your PC before you bought it, the real price of your PC is way higher. Components you trash become new ones.

So anyway there are 2 ways to find the answer to all this.

1) Suggest millions and billions of possible solutions. (Unreliable and sometimes Risky)

2) Monitor and check the hardware and software for culprits, usually by the result of something we pinpoint the cause and further troubleshoot it. (Reliable for weird cases like this)

So in all the pages in the other forums I was getting the first one. Some people tried to do the second one which helped more but because of the comotion we did not complete the troubleshoot for the problem so thats why I came here, that is why I find it disappointing to read the sentence "swap motherboard and CPU" or "Get a new Rig" while There is a good chance for a fix, because I already improved the performance of it if you read above.