I've spent around 1500$ on my build and I'm still getting pathetic performance. Help me build a better one.

[Guest]

Just now, BillNyeThecommieSpy said:

ah, see no internals, smells fishy

Right. I wouldn't lay a lot of trust into it either! 

[DailyProcrastinator]

As others have said look at used i7-8700k's or a 9700k, with the 9700k you will need to update your bios prior to installing the 9th gen CPU, but that would add a decent performance boost. A used 8700k will likely be the better deal as it is older but they are very capable CPU's, I love my 8700k system!

 

Otherwise the NVME drives I suggested in your other post would be a huge performance lift, overall system 'snappiness' and feel of responsiveness will greatly improve. 

[Armaan199]

15 minutes ago, GoldenLag said:

Perhaps see how much a used 8700 or 8700k is. 

 

Where is the SSD?

What on earth is this powersupply?

 

 

Im assuming this isnt US based?

No. Its not well renowned. Letme share an image with you. 

[BillNyeThecommieSpy]

it's never a good sign when a unit proudly advertises APFC compliance

[Armaan199]

19 minutes ago, BillNyeThecommieSpy said:

Also, what is that PSU? I've never heard of such a unit. Please send us photos, because my crappy groupreg alarm is going off @Armaan199

HAHA! sure.

 

[Guest]

2 minutes ago, BillNyeThecommieSpy said:

it's never a good sign when a unit proudly advertises APFC compliance

Is this PSU possibly capable of taking out half the hardware in the rig?? 

 

Is that what you're saying?

[Armaan199]

1 hour ago, minibois said:

Could you elaborate on what makes it a letdown? As in, what parts of the computer do you feel like are underpeforming?

Is this your only drive? Not having an SSD will drastically lower the speed of your computer in most tasks (not game fps though). Load times into Windows, into games, etc. would be much worse.

Getting an SSD (like the ones I suggested in your other thread) and installing Windows on that would already improve the general snappiness of your PC.

Although, I would have to ask you to doublecheck what drive(s) you have. The WD Black are always 7200RPM drives, while WD Blue drives can be 5400RPM at 1TB. So doublecheck it's a Blue/Black and while you're at it, double check if you don't have an SSD too.

16GB at 3200Mhz will be plenty. But the 8GB 2400Mhz wouldn't hinder performance a ton either.

Getting an SSD (assuming you don't have one) would be the most important step 1. I especially recommend the Kingston A2000.

Other than that, I could only make suggestions on what to change/upgrade/optimize if I know a bit more about the issues you're facing with the system.

I've explained thge letdowns in  a reply following my question. 

I'm getting the ssd you recommended. 

 

I'm sorry if my question had misled you. I meant 1500 for the whole thing. Including the 400$ monitor. The case fans, the rgb strips even the peripherals.

By pathetic I mean when I play games. It doesn't stutter for all of them. But it does for some. And for some applications it just drops frames like crazy.

Apart from that, When I code (I'm a newbie software engineer), even the cursor lags sometimes. 

These are just some of the examples i have in mind right now. But you get the idea. Plus I'm based in India. Tech is expensive here. A 1000$ iphone in the US is 1500$ here.

[Armaan199]

18 minutes ago, LIGISTX said:

I hope that price includes the monitor, because that isn't worth that price at all.

 

As far as performance goes, number 1 thing, you need an SSD. A 5400 RPM drive for boot, games, etc, is totally unacceptable in todays day and age. That wasn't acceptable in 2012.....

 

Get a 1 TB SSD for windows and your main games, you can find them for under 100 bucks. Samsung 840 evo, Samsung 840 qvo, WD Blue, ADATA, plenty of options.

 

GPU is rather meh, its "fine", but its not very powerful.

 

CPU, same boat. Its certainly not a powerhouse, but with that GPU, its fine.

 

As far as an FPS increase goes, GPU will be your number 1 upgrade here. As far as your PC feeling totally slow, SSD is what you need.

I agree with an 8700k. But I wouldn't go for a 5 GHz OC on that mobo, its VRM is not good enough. A lot of Z370 boards VRM's just sorta suck. They can run a 8700k fine at stock, which is honestly fine for gaming, but I wouldn't push a 5 GHz all core turbo on that mobo. I would shoot for, at best, a all core 4.7 GHz turbo, and hopefully the 8700k you get can do it at sub 1.275 ish vcore... I had an 8700k do 5 GHz all core at 1.300v, but I wouldn't push that much speed or vcore through his VRM...

This............... that drive is a huge problem. Literally an SSD alone will completely change the machine from a slow pile of poo to a 2020 PC. And, also, yea I hope you didn't spend 1500 on that, maybe 1100 with the monitor...

Noted. I'll get a good ssd. Although it won't certainly be as cheap as 100$ here. More like 250.

Graphic performace is...okay!!

i get about a good 120-130hx average. But I'm just irritated with the speed. And the compilation time when i code.

 

[Armaan199]

20 minutes ago, NZKshatriya said:

Never go with a no-name brand PSU.

 

Noted.

[Armaan199]

19 minutes ago, BillNyeThecommieSpy said:

seriously, please, for the love of god, send us pictures of that psu. 

Here you go. 

[GoldenLag]

2 minutes ago, Armaan199 said:

Noted.

Well, doesnt matter what the sticker name is, what matters is how good the PSU is, and its a lot easier to figure those things out on more wellknown units. 

 

But in the end, god with good units. Would be nice to have clear internal shots of your PSU to figure out what it is. 

Just now, Armaan199 said:

Here you go. 

When people here mean pictures of PSU, we usually mean the insides of the PSU. Do you have pics of the inside. Taken between the fanblades would je fine. 

[Demonic Donut]

Can you rotate the CPU cooler 90 degrees so it's inline with the exhaust? Not that it matters THAT much, but my OCD is going crazy. It's all I see in those pictures.

 

You should be much happier with a decent SSD in there. Make sure it has a cache.

[Armaan199]

3 minutes ago, Demonic Donut said:

Can you rotate the CPU cooler 90 degrees so it's inline with the exhaust? Not that it matters THAT much, but my OCD is going crazy. It's all I see in those pictures.

I'll do that.

 

4 minutes ago, Demonic Donut said:

You should be much happier with a decent SSD in there. Make sure it has a cache.

Since everyone is recommending i get a kingston 2000.  I'll get that. 

Thanks for answering .

[Slayer3032]

The 8400 isn't great but it's not going to cause huge issues here, you're running the memory in single channel with 1x8gb. The 2x8gb memory will be a good improvement, don't forget to enable XMP to get the advertised speeds instead of stock DDR4 speeds that are slower than good DDR3.

 

The PSU is probably okay, I would consider making a thread on it in the psu forum and see if anyone can identify it as a bomb or not although someone here might figure that out. There's only a handful of psu manufacturers, it shouldn't be too hard to identify it's platform so you can look up reviews of better known psu's on the same platform as they'll likely perform about the same.

 

What you really need is a decent ssd though, well actually not even decent literally anything that doesn't spin will perform better than a hard drive. Ideally you look for anything with a DRAM cache, if possible grab an nvme. m.2 sata or standard sata is perfectly fine as well but a decent nvme would really make a massive difference from a hard drive.

 

If you're still having issues after using dual channel memory and adding an ssd. You might have to look at a cpu upgrade but IMO unless you can find a cheap 8700/8700k you'd be far better off selling it and getting 10th/11th gen Intel or Ryzen 4000 instead of paying similar money for a used cpu for a low end board.

 

12 minutes ago, Demonic Donut said:

Can you rotate the CPU cooler 90 degrees so it's inline with the exhaust? Not that it matters THAT much, but my OCD is going crazy. It's all I see in those pictures.

 

You should be much happier with a decent SSD in there. Make sure it has a cache.

 

Vertical exhaust is fine, in cases with a top fan and plenty of ventilation like the Antec 900 often it could be a better orientation.

[Nena Trinity]

sexy PSU! :Q

[Armaan199]

2 minutes ago, Slayer3032 said:

The 8400 isn't great but it's not going to cause huge issues here, you're running the memory in single channel with 1x8gb. The 2x8gb memory will be a good improvement, don't forget to enable XMP to get the advertised speeds instead of stock DDR4 speeds that are slower than good DDR3.

 

The PSU is probably okay, I would consider making a thread on it in the psu forum and see if anyone can identify it as a bomb or not although someone here might figure that out. There's only a handful of psu manufacturers, it shouldn't be too hard to identify it's platform so you can look up reviews of better known psu's on the same platform as they'll likely perform about the same.

 

What you really need is a decent ssd though, well actually not even decent literally anything that doesn't spin will perform better than a hard drive. Ideally you look for anything with a DRAM cache, if possible grab an nvme. m.2 sata or standard sata is perfectly fine as well but a decent nvme would really make a massive difference from a hard drive.

 

If you're still having issues after using dual channel memory and adding an ssd. You might have to look at a cpu upgrade but IMO unless you can find a cheap 8700/8700k you'd be far better off selling it and getting 10th/11th gen Intel or Ryzen 4000 instead of paying similar money for a used cpu for a low end board.

 

 

 

Is this the one?

 

[Armaan199]

Also, can any of you (considering you are still following the thread) tell me why this sdd is like 3/4the price of any other ssd on amazon india? 

Are there any catches? Coz If there are, I dont mind spending a few extra bucks to get a superior one.

[Armaan199]

4 minutes ago, Nena Trinity said:

sexy PSU! :Q

I got it guys! You are all good at roasting. 

 

[Nena Trinity]

1 minute ago, Armaan199 said:

I got it guys! You are all good at roasting. 

 

I love the art on it, tough I am not sure if its a good PSU...  

[GoldenLag]

4 minutes ago, Armaan199 said:

tell me why this sdd is like 3/4the price of any other ssd on amazon india? 

Because it costs what an SSD should.

 

SSDs arent that expencive, you can get 1TB models for 100-130$ or equivelent currency in large parts of the world. 

 

12 minutes ago, Slayer3032 said:

The PSU is probably okay, I would consider making a thread on it in the psu forum and see if anyone can identify it as a bomb or not although someone here might figure that out.

Well i wouldnt stick a "probably" to that unless you somehow caught the topology used. 

 

Internals shots would help determine that, but i doubt OP wants to pull out the PSU for a photoshoot. 

[Slayer3032]

13 minutes ago, Armaan199 said:

Also, can any of you (considering you are still following the thread) tell me why this sdd is like 3/4the price of any other ssd on amazon india? 

Are there any catches? Coz If there are, I dont mind spending a few extra bucks to get a superior one.

If that's 3/4ths the price of everything else, yeah that's probably what you want then provided you're only comparing against 500gb~ drives. It's not a bad drive and has a dram cache, it's not a top tier drive but that's fine.

 

I usually send people this but sometimes it's a little overwhelming, the A2000 seems to be recommended at the mid-range so I'd say go for it if you've confirmed that it's a good deal for your region/market.

https://www.reddit.com/r/NewMaxx/comments/dhvrdm/ssd_guides_resources/

 

[Armaan199]

23 minutes ago, GoldenLag said:

but i doubt OP wants to pull out the PSU for a photoshoot. 

I dont mind clicking a few pictures. I'm the one getting help. You guys are generous taking out time to help.

Tell me whether i need to open it up or pictures through the fan blades do?

[Armaan199]

Can you select one of these 3?.

[Armaan199]

Just now, Armaan199 said:

Can you select one of these 3?.

For your reference. 16500 INR are about 230 USD. And 12500 INR are almost 160 USD.

[GoldenLag]

Just now, Armaan199 said:

Tell me whether i need to open it up or pictures through the fan blades do?

If you can take pictures through the blades (with light offcourse) we should maybe be able to figure out a bit about it. 

 

1 minute ago, Armaan199 said:

Can you select one of these 3?.

I can obly guarantee the A2000 is decent, no info on the two other that i know.

 

Pricing on Silicon Power A80 or Teamgroup MP34?