i7-9700k vs i9-9900k?

[FineVisionz]

New build, new CPU.  

 

Is the i9-9900k worth the extra ~$80?  I mainly game with some occasional streaming and video/photo editing and rendering.   After seeing that the gaming performance between these two are almost identical....Would the i9 better future proof me for gaming or is it more of a "workstation" CPU?  

[Skiiwee29]

Just wait. Monday is the Keynote from AMD announcing there new Ryzen CPUs coming in a monthish time. Ask us again after that on what our recommendation will be. Right now with all the vulnerabilities in intels CPUs and performance hits from patching, AMD is looking to make a good gain in the market here more so than they already have with the CPU shortages form intel as well. 

[Enderman]

The hyperthreading is definitely worth $80.

[Jurrunio]

11 minutes ago, Enderman said:

The hyperthreading is definitely worth $80.

until that get hit even harder by an exploit

[APasz]

For $80, yeah totally worth it.

[Enderman]

54 minutes ago, Jurrunio said:

until that get hit even harder by an exploit

Lol there's nobody 'exploiting' the CPUs, stop being so paranoid.

You're a million times more likely to get a virus from clicking a wrong link than someone hacking into your PC through an obscure hardware exploit.

 

Do you remember meltdown?

Yeah, the 'vulnerability' which was there for like 5 or 10 years or whatever until some experts found it.

Even after every news outlet covered it and everyone got scared guess how many PCs got 'hacked' using this vulnerability...

 

Zero.

[Jurrunio]

45 minutes ago, Enderman said:

Lol there's nobody 'exploiting' the CPUs, stop being so paranoid.

You're a million times more likely to get a virus from clicking a wrong link than someone hacking into your PC through an obscure hardware exploit.

 

Do you remember meltdown?

Yeah, the 'vulnerability' which was there for like 5 or 10 years or whatever until some experts found it.

Even after every news outlet covered it and everyone got scared guess how many PCs got 'hacked' using this vulnerability...

 

Zero.

So you can tell that no related attack will come out within the useful lifespan of such CPU?

 

To sb already bought the CPU my answer is also "don't worry", because it's too late to reverse the purchase and us consumers wont be the first victims when there are so many valuable data in servers of businesses and governments. We can use those as alarms basically.

 

But to those thinking about buying, I'd be more careful. Now that hackers are alerted on a possible point of attack, chances of such exploit is much higher than back when such exploit was put into silicon.

 

Maybe I'm overreacting, but it's hard to put it aside when there's an alternative not affected by these problems...

 

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[Enderman]

8 minutes ago, Jurrunio said:

So you can tell that no related attack will come out within the useful lifespan of such CPU?

 

To sb already bought the CPU my answer is also "don't worry", because it's too late to reverse the purchase and us consumers wont be the first victims when there are so many valuable data in servers of businesses and governments. We can use those as alarms basically.

 

But to those thinking about buying, I'd be more careful. Now that hackers are alerted on a possible point of attack, chances of such exploit is much higher than back when such exploit was put into silicon.

 

Maybe I'm overreacting, but it's hard to put it aside when there's an alternative not affected by these problems...

 

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Seriously.

This is like worrying about a robber digging a tunnel under your house to break in.

 

1) Almost all criminals have no idea how to dig tunnels underground that won't collapse

2) The tiny percent that do would never bother doing it to your house, they would do it to a bank or something actually important

3) There's a million easier ways of getting into your house like breaking the door or window

 

Hopefully you can understand this analogy and maybe understand what these "INTEL CPU EXPLOIT!!!!11!!" really are.

[Jurrunio]

21 minutes ago, Enderman said:

Seriously.

This is like worrying about a robber digging a tunnel under your house to break in.

 

1) Almost all criminals have no idea how to dig tunnels underground that won't collapse

2) The tiny percent that do would never bother doing it to your house, they would do it to a bank or something actually important

3) There's a million easier ways of getting into your house like breaking the door or window

 

Hopefully you can understand this analogy and maybe understand what these "INTEL CPU EXPLOIT!!!!11!!" really are.

Maybe I should stop watching doomsday preppers.

[Jay Deah]

Enderman has absolutely nailed it with a perfect analogy.

 

these hardware vulnerabilities are not the sort of thing average consumers need to care about one. The only reason you even hear about them is they get YouTube views so people are talking about them.

 

far far far more serious vulnerabilities are discovered every month and get no coverage so you  never realise they’re even a thing.

 

[Jay Deah]

I once watched a great talk where the guy put hackers into 2 types.

 

1 - Mossad

2 - Not Mossad

 

mossad are the kind of organisation that could use this vulnerability to get your data. They also have apache gunship helicopters, green berets and machine guns.

 

if Mossad want my data, they don’t need to hack it off my gaming PC they simply knock on my door with a mildly intimidating army type and ask politely, i’ll Give them my data.

 

not Mossad on the other hand lives in their mum’s basement and wouldn’t have a clue how to actually exploit such an exploit to get the data.

[Ebony Falcon]

Hyh

4 hours ago, Enderman said:

Lol there's nobody 'exploiting' the CPUs, stop being so paranoid.

You're a million times more likely to get a virus from clicking a wrong link than someone hacking into your PC through an obscure hardware exploit.

 

Do you remember meltdown?

Yeah, the 'vulnerability' which was there for like 5 or 10 years or whatever until some experts found it.

Even after every news outlet covered it and everyone got scared guess how many PCs got 'hacked' using this vulnerability...

 

Zero.

Hack Google, Amazon or eBay for millions a bank details for billions of pounds, still never happened, 

Hack into a guys PC in his moms basement for his PayPal details containing £34.57 

 

What u think hackers are gonna go for?

 

For the average user to get exploited and hacked it would have to be stupidly easy or the average gamer Joe to do so 

 

Because the effort that hackers would have to go through to find this exploit and target individuals with it would be insane

 

This exploit has been here since 2011 and your £34 is still safe 

 

Just because super hacking experts have found it Does mean any evil Taliban terrorists know how to do it and are coming for you 

 

 

[FineVisionz]

Ok.... Soooooo would these new AMD CPU's give much of a performance boost over Intel in games?  When will these new AMD CPU's be available for purchase? 

[xg32]

10 hours ago, FineVisionz said:

New build, new CPU.  

 

Is the i9-9900k worth the extra ~$80?  I mainly game with some occasional streaming and video/photo editing and rendering.   After seeing that the gaming performance between these two are almost identical....Would the i9 better future proof me for gaming or is it more of a "workstation" CPU?  

the thing with the exploit is, if you already have the cpu, you can choose to disable it for a performance loss, or keep it up and hope it doesnt affect you (odds are low atm. i personally gives 0 shits atm) I'm more afraid of the bandaid patches than the exploit itself the meltdown patch ruined my old 8600k's performance on everyday tasks.

 

however, if you haven't gotten the cpu, you definitely wanna wait for amd's offerings, if you have to buy the 9700k or 9900k, the 9700k is BETTER for gaming by about 2-3%, while the 9900k is better for work tasks with 16 threads.

 

As for gaming performance, right now both amd and intel cpus does above 85fps in all games, i'm gonna guess zen 2's 8 core chip will at least be equal to intel at gaming, and none of this matters unless you are playing at 120hz+

[Enderman]

2 hours ago, FineVisionz said:

Ok.... Soooooo would these new AMD CPU's give much of a performance boost over Intel in games?  When will these new AMD CPU's be available for purchase? 

No, current intel CPUs will still have better single core performance.

 

AMD is a good option if you need lots of cores for a cheap price, for stuff like heavy video editing, rendering, number crunching, etc.

[melete]

1 minute ago, Enderman said:

No, current intel CPUs will still have better single core performance.

 

AMD is a good option if you need lots of cores for a cheap price, for stuff like heavy video editing, rendering, number crunching, etc.

Whoa, I assume you’ve got some benchmarks and Zen 2 silicon to show us?

[xg32]

5 minutes ago, melete said:

Whoa, I assume you’ve got some benchmarks and Zen 2 silicon to show us?

i just looked at steve's new video, my hope for the 16core running at decent clock is dashed, praying for the 8 and 12

[melete]

11 minutes ago, xg32 said:

i just looked at steve's new video, my hope for the 16core running at decent clock is dashed, praying for the 8 and 12

He didn’t even say anything about clocks though? 

[xg32]

4 minutes ago, melete said:

He didn’t even say anything about clocks though? 

300w, i can't even push my 9900k past 200, get ready for the clocks to disappoint, looks like 4.3 all core at most (the original engineer sample leak), if i had to guess.

[Enderman]

21 minutes ago, melete said:

Whoa, I assume you’ve got some benchmarks and Zen 2 silicon to show us?

It's not hard to see the pattern...

They said Ryzen was supposedly a massive 30% IPC improvement or whatever over Bulldozer, you can see how that turned out, still not even close to intel.

This time they aren't making any huge claims like that so the performance increase is obviously not going to be enough to make it pass intel.

 

Also, https://wccftech.com/amd-zen-2-6-core-cpu-benchmark-leaked-faster-than-ryzen-7-2700x-in-geekbench-4/

And go take a look at the single core score for the 9900K, then you will see why Zen 2 will 100% not beat intel IPC.

[Princess Luna]

Waiting tomorrow's Computex is obviously worth it before purchasing anything.

 

That aside I'll go and say no... the i9 9900K is in no way needed for what you'll do, the i7 8700K and i7 9700K have the same gaming potential and enough horse power to do any video editing you wanna do, specially on Premiere Pro that can use QuickSync.

 

There is no such thing as future-proofing, all these Coffee Lake i7/i9 processors will last you about the same.

[melete]

1 minute ago, xg32 said:

300w, i can't even push my 9900k past 200, get ready for the clocks to disappoint, looks like 4.3 all core at most (the original engineer sample leak), if i had to guess.

Yeah, it’s a whole lot of power consumption (shocking a 16 core CPU does that) but we’ve also got no idea what clocks those were unless there’s something I’m missing here. It’s still all speculation. And apparently will continue to be, if AMD’s really not revealing a lot of clock speeds and overclocking information at Computex like Steve says. 

[melete]

Oh, and I should get back on topic here. 

11 hours ago, FineVisionz said:

Is the i9-9900k worth the extra ~$80?  I mainly game with some occasional streaming and video/photo editing and rendering.  

I’d stick with 9700k. I don’t think your workload really justifies the substantial price increase up to 9900k, if you go look at benchmarks they’re very close in most titles. Either CPU is sufficient for moderate productivity work.