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This story is from 1994 - I was working in a local computer shop at the time and a lady (very nice, polite) walked in and asked for help with her computer.  I honestly can't remember anymore what it was, needed more ram, or virus concerns, or something.  In any case, we did whatever she needed and sent her on her way.
 
Now remember, this is 1994, back when computers had physical power buttons, not these modern soft-switches ATX power supplies use.
 
She gets home about 45 min later, calls us, and says "my computer isn't working at all, my screen is blank".  I spend about 20 min trying everything on the phone with her to help (cables plugged in, monitor and computer turned on, etc.).  Finally I have to say, "I'm sorry, bring it back, we'll make it work".
 
30 min later she shows up, we plug it into the display test station on the floor (in front of her), turn it on, and of course it works perfectly.  She swears up and down that it didn't work at home.
 
So I turn it off, unplug everything, and say, "ok, no problem, please show me how you're plugging it in and turning it on, it might be something really simple".
 
So she does all that, plugs everything into the right places, turns the monitor on, then reaches down to the floor and flips the switch on the power strip.  At which point she says, "see, it doesn't work".  I then reach over and press the power button on the computer tower itself and it turns right on.
 
She says "you have to do that?".  She had never used the button on the computer, it had always been "on", she used her power strip to turn it on and off.
 
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That wouldn't work today of course, with our soft power switches, but back in those days, well...  we all had to keep a straight face and send her on her way.  After she left, we must have laughed for 20 min.  Poor lady, honestly didn't know any better, but she was good from that point on

Or you could contact Nvidia and give it back lol

Still have not found my answer,i need a pc build not just for me but for my colleges that can be shared thru the house for $25000,think of it as a server or a workstation network,that's all,and telling me im a troll is not really helping me,i got recommend to go to the LinusTechTips forum and seek help there and all i got is suggestions and not a straight answer,or some bullshit im really not in the mood right now

One more thought...
 
If you really want a high end render machine...  rather than spending $1,700 on Broadwell-E 10 core, consider a dual CPU Xeon machine...
 
For less than $2K you can get a nice ASUS dual socket motherboard, a pair of Xeon 10 core CPUs that turbo up to 3.1GHz, for a total of 20 cores, 40 threads.
 
If you're just rendering, that will give you more performance than anything you can overclock the i7-6950x to...

Because we're being trolled most likely...  The whole thing is silly, but on the off chance he is serious, then he has more money than sense, because he clearly doesn't know what he is doing...
 
Less spending, more education, would be called for...  Or a trusted adviser to help who isn't also selling him something.

Because we're being trolled most likely...  The whole thing is silly, but on the off chance he is serious, then he has more money than sense, because he clearly doesn't know what he is doing...
 
Less spending, more education, would be called for...  Or a trusted adviser to help who isn't also selling him something.

You don't need a $5,000 computer...  you need a pair of computers, maybe $4K total between them, not including monitors...
 
If you have a lot of videos to render, you don't want to render them on your main work machine, you want a dedicated computer for just that.  You just queue up the renders and let it do its thing, while you continue to use your main machine.
 
All of the rest of that doesn't require all that much of a computer.  You can build a pair of really nice i7-6800K based computers for $4K total.

Why are you spending 9k on a SSD...

How does SLI help with compute when you need high precision FP?
What is the performance of the 1080 vs Titan X when it comes to Compute?

Sure, why not?  I have faith in the numbers that have been posted and in NVidia to release hardware that is worth buying (at least in 2016).
 
If cards go on sale tonight for $250, I'll buy one for sure...  probably two...

I want a GTX 1080 TI with 12GB of RAM and 30% more performance than the 1080!
 
Oh, and I want it for $500

I want a GTX 1080 TI with 12GB of RAM and 30% more performance than the 1080!
 
Oh, and I want it for $500

This story is from 1994 - I was working in a local computer shop at the time and a lady (very nice, polite) walked in and asked for help with her computer.  I honestly can't remember anymore what it was, needed more ram, or virus concerns, or something.  In any case, we did whatever she needed and sent her on her way.
 
Now remember, this is 1994, back when computers had physical power buttons, not these modern soft-switches ATX power supplies use.
 
She gets home about 45 min later, calls us, and says "my computer isn't working at all, my screen is blank".  I spend about 20 min trying everything on the phone with her to help (cables plugged in, monitor and computer turned on, etc.).  Finally I have to say, "I'm sorry, bring it back, we'll make it work".
 
30 min later she shows up, we plug it into the display test station on the floor (in front of her), turn it on, and of course it works perfectly.  She swears up and down that it didn't work at home.
 
So I turn it off, unplug everything, and say, "ok, no problem, please show me how you're plugging it in and turning it on, it might be something really simple".
 
So she does all that, plugs everything into the right places, turns the monitor on, then reaches down to the floor and flips the switch on the power strip.  At which point she says, "see, it doesn't work".  I then reach over and press the power button on the computer tower itself and it turns right on.
 
She says "you have to do that?".  She had never used the button on the computer, it had always been "on", she used her power strip to turn it on and off.
 
---
 
That wouldn't work today of course, with our soft power switches, but back in those days, well...  we all had to keep a straight face and send her on her way.  After she left, we must have laughed for 20 min.  Poor lady, honestly didn't know any better, but she was good from that point on

For that price difference and your use case, buy the i7 all day long...

This, all day this...

x4 860k doesn't have onboard graphics...
 
The G4400 has pretty good graphics and good CPU performance, that would be my choice...

I think you missed his point...
 
Playing games at 1440p at 144hz isn't essential...  it is a luxury and if you want to play, then pay...
 
Frankly I'm waiting for the 1080 TI and for AMD to play their hand, these prices won't last very long.

I think you missed his point...
 
Playing games at 1440p at 144hz isn't essential...  it is a luxury and if you want to play, then pay...
 
Frankly I'm waiting for the 1080 TI and for AMD to play their hand, these prices won't last very long.

^ This...
 
OP, you're just throwing money away with your plans...  While the 1080 TI likely will be a worthwhile upgrade (skip the 1080) for 4k gaming, you have no need to replace your CPU for many years, don't even bother.
 
The Z87 is just fine, you're chasing spec sheet numbers, not real numbers.

A molex connector isn't restricted to a particular amount of current. The value of 45w is more or less a recommendation, devices that are to be powered from a molex connector should be designed in such a way as to not consume more power than that value.
 
The maximum current that can go to a device is limited by the diameter of the wire first of all ... for AWG18 wires (the most often used in PC power supplies), the maximum recommended is about 8-10A in order to prevent the cables from heating and reduce the voltage drop on the cable due to internal wire resistance. There's also the issue of mating of connectors - there's often resistance at the contact, imperfect connections / oxidation / etc can cause electric arcs or overheating of the metal contacts/pins and potentially damage the connector if the current is too high.
That's why the molex recommends to be maximum 45w ( 12v @ 3-4A or something like that, same for 5v), because power supplies could have a strip of 2-3 molex connectors and in total the strip could provide to 3 devices up to maximum safe current for that single yellow wire (3-4A per connector, times 3 connectors in the strip)
 
Safety, reliability..  and Voltage drop are reasons there's more than a single pair of wire going to a pci-e connector ..
 
A 6 pin pci-e connector is meant to provide the video card with 75w ( 12v at about 6A) through three pairs of wires, but even a single pair of wires could actually provide those 75w safely. But, at 6a going through a single pair of wires you may have 12v at the power supply but the video card only sees 11.8 or 11.9v at the connector due to the voltage drop on the cable (caused by the resistance of the wire itself). By going with 3 pairs of wires, the current is even through each pair and the voltage drop is smaller, and in addition everything is also safer because if one of the contacts is loose or bad, there's still two other pairs capable of providing the full power the video card needs.
 

I don't know much about that Gigabyte board...  but when it comes to ASUS, they make a ton of boards with very small feature differences...
 
Consider that if one board gives you 100 MHz more overclock, but costs $50 more, was it "really worth it"?
 
I'd personally go with the Z170-A myself.  I do own a ROG Maximus VIII Hero as well, but only for comparison and review reasons, I'd never have bought it for personal use.   Pretty board however...

I understand...   I used to buy high end boards but what I discovered was that I was buying fancy feature sets more than a useful board.
 
But that might just be me.
 
I recently did a comparison of the ASUS Z170-A board against the ASUS ROG Maximus VIII Hero board...  frankly, it LOOKS nicer, comes in a nice box, and does have a few features, but at the end of the day, you're paying a decent chunk of money for minor changes.

This...  look at how nice the GTX 980 TI was vs GTX 980.
 
Side note:  Anyone on 9xx series cards doesn't need to replace them unless money is burning a hole in your pocket...  yes, they will be faster cards, but will it make enough of a difference?
 
I personally believe that leapfrogging generations makes more sense, but that's me.   We shall see when the benchmarks come out.

Other than as a fun side project, why spend more on the cooler than the CPU cost?

Sure, I understand that...  but I doubt that is the majority of the cases...
 
Too many posts from people saying, "will my AMD xxx or Intel XXX bottleneck a 1080, or will my 980 be ok?  I don't have the money to buy both a new CPU and the new GPU.
 
For pete's sake, if you're limited on funds and you have a 980 now, you shouldn't even be thinking about a new GPU for a few years.
 
I'll buy one because I have to, but I'm not going to put it into my personal computer.  I've got a 980 TI there and it isn't going anywhere for a few years.  I'll sell the 1070 and 1080 once I'm done with them, I imagine someone will want them.