Best Possible Gaming Experience - Budget Is Secondary

[EvelynX]

Waddup dudes!
Within 3 months I'll be getting a quite substantial amount of money. 
I've decided to set aside £10,000 (>$13000 usd) as a maximum expenditure on a new PC explicitly for gaming.
Although seeing as that falls well above the amount needed for a max spec PC, I don't expect to spend that much.  So no silly additions just to fulfill the budget quota if it doesn't add to the experience!

So yeah for all intents and purposes budget is secondary as long as I dont go for anything stupid that has no gaming benefit (PCIE SSD's etc)

PC Part Picker Link
This is a baseline that I'm working from as I figure out what I want.
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Graphics Cards
It'll have 2x RTX 2080ti's in SLI.
I can't see that changing unless something more powerful comes out! Yes their price per $ is ridiculous but I already have a 1080ti so this is the only upgrade path.
Which AIB do you think I should go for? And if I do a custom loop, does that change things?
(Cosmetics is a consideration, and the Gigabyte cards are selected in the PC Partpicker link because the other brands are not on sale yet, they are not my preference).

Display Interface
I was thinking at least one 4k 144hz Gsync display.
I'm not necessarily sold on which one but I want Gsync, I'm in love with 4k so this again, is my only upgrade path. I currently have a 4k60fps non-gsync monitor that I plan on using as a secondary display. 
Mad question, but what do you think to blowing my budget on three of them would be worth the buyers remorse?
Do you guys think 3x IPS 1440p 165hz Gsync displays would be a better purchase?  I'm not the Esports type so IPS is preferable over TN 1ms.
I do play Elite Dangerous a lot so 3 displays would get used.

CPU
i7-8086k It's the best CPU for gaming right? In almost all cases? Is there anything I'm not aware of that would be better?
Again this is explicitly for gaming. No rendering or streaming ever. My Current CPU is an i5-4670k.
Should I buy an IHS remover and liquid metal that boi? How often would I need to reapply?

VR
I have a Vive. I don't currently see the value of going for the Vive pro but it's not off the table.

Memory
In this price point we are going RGB unicorn farts all over. So I figure that G-Skill Trident Z rainbow goodness is the best looking. Different opinion? Will these sticks cooperate with Corsair LL fans and peripherals?
I am thinking 2x 8GB sticks at around 3000 or 3200 mhz.
Should I get 4 sticks instead? (I don't think 8086k supports quad channel?)

Have any games demonstrated ram usage higher than 16gb? I'm the opposite of a tab hoarder, anything that shouldn't be open gets closed. I'll have a 4k chrome video on while gaming but even that I don't expect to exceed 16gb.

Case
There are too many options. I need ideas! Tempered glass is sexy. I want it to work with my RGB Goodness.
I like the Corsair Crystal 570x but again I'm easy here as long as it's good looking. None of these "gamer" cases with dumb shapes.  
Is there anything I can do to make a genuinely unique case?
What would be the difficulties in getting a custom designed case, one for Elite Dangerous for example? Engraved logos and the like.

Cooling
Braben help me I know but I'm willing to try my hand at hardline tubing and go all out if it's reasonable to cool both GPUs and the CPU.
Problem is, from there I barely know where to start. Tried drawing it out on paper but always have trouble, get hungry and give up planning. Of course this addition is the kind of thing that probably will bring the build up to its budget.  (?) I'd probably but that kit JayzTwoCents had that helped with angles etc.
Otherwise, the largest radiator configuration my case allows is basically a given. I selected a Corsair H150i PRO which will have it's fans replaced.

Fans
Corsair LL series, duh!  It's 2018!
I watched BPS Custom's round ups on (all) the RGB fans and these are just the prettiest.  

PSU
PC Part picker predicts a usage of at least 704w so I went with a Corsair HX1000i.
Given that I will certainly be overclocking both GPUs and the CPU, will a 1000w platinum be enough? I'm not fully aware of how much overlcocking these specific components will effect their power draw.

Storage
I'd like at least a 1tb SSD for games. So I figure Samsung 970 Pro. Shall I go for the Evo instead and save a few bob? I know load times are only marginally faster.
Then uh.... 4tb HDD storage for everything else and games in which load times are not an issue?
I've never played around with RAID before so perhaps now is the time to consider doubling up on drives for more speed? Should I bother?
You reckon it's worth going all SSD and having less capacity? For the quieter build?

Motherboard
I picked an Asus Strix Z370-E. Is there a board that will definitely yield better overclocking results? My only specification is that it must have built in WiFi so I'm not faffing about with extra expansion slots. Why have an extra card when instead there could be air there! I have a 100mbps connection but we are thinking of upgrading to 500mbps soon seeing as its only £10 a month more expensive.

Keyboard & Mouse
Cherry MX Red, It has to be and I have a Corsair K70 already but yes I'm willing to buy a new one just for RGB. Decadent!

Mouse wise I use the M65 RGB already so I dont need to buy that. Thought about getting the Schimtar though. With all those side buttons I could play Diablo 3 with just one hand!
Any keyboards or mice that are going to giver me a better experience?

Here's the stuff I don't have a clue about!

A Chair. I have a bad back. So I need a good one. Don't have a clue what's good, or what's snake oil.
A Desk! No idea where to start, a sit stand desk sounds interesting and good for my back, but all in all I just want plenty of space for potentially 3 monitors (at least 2), keyboard, mouse and HOTAS. What about an Obutto Revolution?
Laptop. Yup! I might just chuck this whole idea out the window, buy just the 4k144hz monitor for my existing build and instead of buying all this stuff, get the best laptop money can but that isn't the size of a house.  
How mad will that make some of you?




Anyway I'm easy breezy and open to doing anything build wise so let me know if my link is on the right grounds, if you think there are any worthwhile changes that would benefit gaming and help steer me in the right direction!  I've got all the time in the world so no hurry for me. .

-Eve

[forregacc02]

Corsair Vengeance RGB Pro - Black

 

Corsair Vengeance RGB Pro - White

 

This would work better for your build 

[EvelynX]

2 minutes ago, forregacc02 said:

Corsair Vengeance RGB Pro - Black

 

Corsair Vengeance RGB Pro - White

 

This would work better for your build 

I might have to agree. They are pretty nice looking and it would fit the rest of the build which at the moment seems to be almost entirely Corsair. 

[Lathlaer]

At this point and budget I'd consider going for HEDT and get an i9 7900X, delid it and OC to something like 4.8-5GHz. Single core performance very similar and your GPU's will thank you for the x16/x16 bandwith. 

[LukeSavenije]

8086k is nothing more than a "good" 8700k. all z370 series chips have dual channel. and you're abslotly stupid if you go with only 16 gigs on a build like this. if you want a premium case for your tubing, look into lian li. get an evo series ssd, they are a lot cheaper and you will not feel that much difference. you might want to look into asus's rog strix becouse they'll look great in your build, and they have a better reputation then and compatability with your mobo than gigabyte.

[DocSwag]

18 minutes ago, EvelynX said:

Display Interface

I would probably go 4k plus maybe a secondary monitor.

18 minutes ago, EvelynX said:

CPU

8086k is the best but 8700k is barely slower. If you wanna go this overkill you could even check out somewhere like silicon lottery who sell binned and delidded cpus.

19 minutes ago, EvelynX said:

Storage

It's just a gaming build so nvme woild be unnecessary. You'd be best off grabbing a 4tb 860 Evo or something.

21 minutes ago, EvelynX said:

Motherboard

I doubt anything would give you better ocing results, but you could go higher end say, for a maximus x hero

3 minutes ago, Lathlaer said:

At this point and budget I'd consider going for HEDT and get a i9 7900X, delid it and OC to something like 4.8-5GHz. Single core performance very similar and your GPU's will thank you for the x16/x16 bandwith. 

The difference in bandwidth would on average probably improve performance by 2% ish. Not that worth it imo

[DVA]

I smell inheritance money

[EvelynX]

15 minutes ago, LukeSavenije said:

 you're abslotly stupid if you go with only 16 gigs on a build like this. 

I agree with the other points and certainly I do like the Asus Strix brand GPUs.

I have to ask though, why would I be stupid to "only" have 16gb on this build
I can barely count maybe 6/8 games off the top of my head which I play that use more than 8 with chrome open, never-mind 16.
I mean I'm not going to get 32gb over 16gb in a gaming only build if I'm just going to sit with 20gb free at almost all times. Surely It would be stupid to buy more than 16gb? I don't understand your rationale.
 

17 minutes ago, DocSwag said:

If you wanna go this overkill you could even check out somewhere like silicon lottery who sell binned and delidded cpus.

Silicone lottery? Is that a site where people sell binned CPUs?
That I have to check out!  
Great advice overall.  

 

 

23 minutes ago, Lathlaer said:

At this point and budget I'd consider going for HEDT and get an i9 7900X, delid it and OC to something like 4.8-5GHz. Single core performance very similar and your GPU's will thank you for the x16/x16 bandwith. 

I think I saw Paul / Kyles podcast checked out an article from Toms hardware where the performance was measured.
I think its something like a 2/3 percent gain going to 16x/16x.
As for CPU I dont mind the price bump going to extreme edition but I don't like the lack of guarantees on the solicon lottery. If they only turbo up to 4.3 ghz I'm worried I'd find myself wishing I had gotten a guarantee 5ghz 8086k.
On the other hand do X series support Quad Channel? As I understand it that would yield significant improvements.
 

 

17 minutes ago, DVA said:

I smell inheritance money

Lol yeah just waiting for them to die.


(Kidding lol it's a settlement payout)

[brob]

Within 3 months the i7-9700k and possibly i9-9900K should be available. There may also be a new chipset. Why not wait?

 

Asus ROG motherboards will probably do a better job overclocking. Something like the ROG Maximus X or the ROG Maximus X Formula.

 

Dual RTX 2080 Ti on an LGA1151 motherboard run the real risk of bottlenecking with x8 PCIe 3.0 connections. https://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/NVIDIA/GeForce_RTX_2080_Ti_PCI-Express_Scaling/, https://www.gamersnexus.net/guides/3366-nvlink-benchmark-rtx-2080-ti-pcie-bandwidth-x16-vs-x8 

[EvelynX]

6 minutes ago, brob said:

Dual RTX 2080 Ti on an LGA1151 motherboard run the real risk of bottlenecking with x8 PCIe 3.0 connections. https://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/NVIDIA/GeForce_RTX_2080_Ti_PCI-Express_Scaling/, https://www.gamersnexus.net/guides/3366-nvlink-benchmark-rtx-2080-ti-pcie-bandwidth-x16-vs-x8 

Thanks I'll check that Gamers Nexus video now and see if the performance loss is more than the 2 or 3 percent that I thought it would be based on something else I saw.  

[atomburst]

https://www.corsair.com/us/en/Categories/Products/Memory/VENGEANCE®-LPX-8GB-(2-x-4GB)-DDR4-DRAM-4200MHz-C19-Memory-Kit---Black/p/CMK8GX4M2B4200C19 look at this budget you can get literally anything. Id also check out a 240hz gsync monitor. 144 and 165 are great, but 240 will just be nice. If i had to replace one, keep the 4k 144, and get rid of the 165 for a 240, buth onestly it up to. The psu should be enough, but again at your budget, just get a 1600 watt psu. this will give you headroom for higher tdp parts in the future. you can get 2000 watt psus, but those are for mining and other things and honestly arent the best for home pc use. also you might as well get a 2tb 970. theyre on sale right now on amazon i think.

[Guest]

1 hour ago, atomburst said:

https://www.corsair.com/us/en/Categories/Products/Memory/VENGEANCE®-LPX-8GB-(2-x-4GB)-DDR4-DRAM-4200MHz-C19-Memory-Kit---Black/p/CMK8GX4M2B4200C19 look at this budget you can get literally anything. Id also check out a 240hz gsync monitor. 144 and 165 are great, but 240 will just be nice. If i had to replace one, keep the 4k 144, and get rid of the 165 for a 240, buth onestly it up to. The psu should be enough, but again at your budget, just get a 1600 watt psu. this will give you headroom for higher tdp parts in the future. you can get 2000 watt psus, but those are for mining and other things and honestly arent the best for home pc use. also you might as well get a 2tb 970. theyre on sale right now on amazon i think.

A 240Hz monitor would limit you to 1080p and a TN panel which is just silly for a high budget pc. A 1440p or 4K high refresh rate IPS G-Sync monitor is the way to go.

 

Also 1600W for the psu is way more than needed.

[Guest]

@EvelynX

 

The Z390 chipset and the i9 9900K cpu will be out by then if you are not planning on building until December. 

 

Also if you are serious about dropping this much on a system then maybe look at one of the 8Pack systems on Overclockers (If you don't fancy doing a custom loop yourself). Not sure if they have any 2080 ti systems up yet and the water blocks are probably still pre-order but they build some nice high end pc's.

 

If you want to keep it a bit simpler then look at an expandable AIO from the likes of Alphacool or EKWB etc.

[EvelynX]

17 hours ago, lee32uk said:

@EvelynX

 

The Z390 chipset and the i9 9900K cpu will be out by then if you are not planning on building until December. 

 

Also if you are serious about dropping this much on a system then maybe look at one of the 8Pack systems on Overclockers (If you don't fancy doing a custom loop yourself). Not sure if they have any 2080 ti systems up yet and the water blocks are probably still pre-order but they build some nice high end pc's.

 

If you want to keep it a bit simpler then look at an expandable AIO from the likes of Alphacool or EKWB etc.

I'll take a look at those sites and see what the price difference is.

 

Particularly those expandable AIOs u didn't know such a thing existed!

[atomburst]

20 hours ago, lee32uk said:

A 240Hz monitor would limit you to 1080p and a TN panel which is just silly for a high budget pc. A 1440p or 4K high refresh rate IPS G-Sync monitor is the way to go.

 

Also 1600W for the psu is way more than needed.

I agree that the psu is way more than needed, but look at his budget, theres no reason not to.

 

And i guess the monitor kinda come down to preferance. Its what id do but you are right that it would be sort of limiting so  His choice i suppose  

[Guest]

32 minutes ago, atomburst said:

I agree that the psu is way more than needed, but look at his budget, theres no reason not to.

 

And i guess the monitor kinda come down to preferance. Its what id do but you are right that it would be sort of limiting so  His choice i suppose  

Pointless having a huge psu though if it isn't being utilised. I haven't looked at power consumption for the RTX gpu's but for a 1080 ti SLI system then an 850W was more than fine with a mainstream cpu. 

 

Also pretty sure 'he' is a 'she'  

[atomburst]

1 hour ago, lee32uk said:

Pointless having a huge psu though if it isn't being utilised. I haven't looked at power consumption for the RTX gpu's but for a 1080 ti SLI system then an 850W was more than fine with a mainstream cpu. 

 

Also pretty sure 'he' is a 'she'  

I suppose thats true

 

and oh jeez sorry that my bad 

[EvelynX]

Lol regardless I'm glad we have a bustling conversation going on.
I'm actually looking at modding and getting custom case panels CNC'd or engraved for a unique build.

Monitor wise yeah I'd love 240hz sure but I have two 4k displays at current so it would be a downgrade switching to 1080p and its not something I'm looking at doing, in particular because I'm very happy for the GPUs to be the bottleneck rather than the CPUs. That tech is progressing a lot more slowly.
Yeah I'm one of these weirdos that prefers a lower frame-rate to dealing with Aliasing or low pixel counts.

4k144hz is a good compromise though. (lol never thought I'd say that)  It basically gives me everything I could possibly want. Even that sweet af gsync.  
In the meantime lol we will have to wait for 4k240hz monitors to come out to satisfy you aswell atomburst!