New AMD Zen+Vega CPU for $55!!!

[Okjoek]

So wait... Is this Ryzen or bulldozer with vega graphics? I'm assuming Ryzen, but I just want to be sure.

 

Can't wait for RandomGamingInHD to get a hold of one of these.

 

[JoeCoke]

2 hours ago, Dan Castellaneta said:

Probably. That's my thing, I don't think people understand that this is a pretty damn low end chip meant mainly for daily usage, rather than overclocking. These are meant to be slapped in some shit A320 board with cheap RAM rather than a full-on long haul setup.

I well understand that and I never said it was a deal breaker that it's locked, it's still an amazing deal. It just would have been cool to see it unlocked, sure nobody is going to buy this to overclock it, but it would have nice, seeing as AMD's stock coolers are so good.

 

4 minutes ago, Okjoek said:

So wait... Is this Ryzen or bulldozer with vega graphics? I'm assuming Ryzen, but I just want to be sure.

 

Can't wait for RandomGamingInHD to get a hold of one of these.

 

@Okjoek It's Ryzen, 1st gen seeing as it's 14nm. And yeah, RGIHD is gonna have a blast with this thing.

[PlayStation 2]

13 minutes ago, 2Buck said:

I well understand that and I never said it was a deal breaker that it's locked, it's still an amazing deal. It just would have been cool to see it unlocked, sure nobody is going to buy this to overclock it, but it would have nice, seeing as AMD's stock coolers are so good.

Yeah, while I do think that leaving it unlocked would've given it a little extra value, I do see why AMD is locking it.

[PlayStation 2]

17 minutes ago, Okjoek said:

So wait... Is this Ryzen or bulldozer with vega graphics? I'm assuming Ryzen, but I just want to be sure.

 

Can't wait for RandomGamingInHD to get a hold of one of these.

 

Ryzen; and yeah, I'm fucking hyped for when RGinHD gets one of these, he's easily one of my favorite tech YouTubers as of late

[JoeCoke]

Just now, Dan Castellaneta said:

Ryzen; and yeah, I'm fucking hyped for when RGinHD gets one of these, he's easily one of my favorite tech YouTubers as of late

You just gotta love RG, no bullshit in his videos. Just straight up good, cringe free content. He also covers things not many others do, like rare parts or budget parts.

 

Definitely in my top 5 favorites right now.

[aezakmi]

6 hours ago, bcredeur97 said:

this is impressive. You can probably build a computer for $150 with this.

 

all you need is this, a motherboard, a cheap/used PSU, and a hard drive  and then shove it all in a case lol

kinda like the Athlon 5150 of this generation, you could play a bunch of games with that

[Stefan Payne]

6 hours ago, Taf the Ghost said:

It'll actually be interesting to see benchmarks with it. It's probably around as powerful as the top Intel iGPU.

There kinda are already benchmarks.

This is litterally a Ryzen 3/2200U for Desktop with higher TDP:

 

https://www.notebookcheck.net/AMD-Ryzen-3-2200U-SoC.277344.0.html

[The Benjamins]

1 hour ago, Okjoek said:

So wait... Is this Ryzen or bulldozer with vega graphics? I'm assuming Ryzen, but I just want to be sure.

 

Can't wait for RandomGamingInHD to get a hold of one of these.

 

It is zen based Ryzen is a product name not a arch name like bulldozer and zen.

 

This is marketed as athlon not ryzen.

[Curufinwe_wins]

This is pretty cool. Little sad it's only a dual core, but that's something amazing considering how a few years ago that'd be a 150-200 dollar part.

[Stefan Payne]

7 hours ago, samcool55 said:

This is actually really nice. Like, it's not old tech, zen cores are current, vega is current, and both of them in a cheap CPU with a low TDP, that's really nice. The only thing we need are cheap A420 (or whatever the replacement for A320 will be called) boards.

 

No, what we really need is a Chipsetless ultra low end Board.

As you may know (or not), RYZEN is a SOC and does not need a Chipset as the RYZEN Chipsets are only PCIe to something things...

 

7 hours ago, AluminiumTech said:

unlike this and idk how Intel's iGPU handles multiple 4K monitors simultanously .

Probably very poorly...

I had a Celeron G1820 at a time and it really sucked at twin 1080/1200p Screens.

The i3/4150 seems to be a lot better....

6 hours ago, geo3 said:

Why the hell would they name it Athlon?

Because it is locked and castrated, so to differentiate it further from RYZEN.

You don't want that brand name to go too far down....

 

5 hours ago, Taf the Ghost said:

It's still a good value. If it wasn't locked, though, you know what would happen to these SKUs. Those should do 4.1 to 4.2 Ghz without much issue. With the yields on 14nm being what they are, they don't want to burn through all of these parts, as they don't want to make to actually disable parts to meet supply.

As they are 14nm parts, no, they won't.

It will probably be more in the 3,7GHz rante, maybe even just 3,5GHz...

 

5 hours ago, Misanthrope said:

According to Hardware Unboxed these are locked so it actually made me throw up in my mouth a little bit: Fuck off AMD.

We are talking about a sub 100€ Part here.

For around double the price you can get an overclockable, 4 Core Ryzen 3 2200G.

 

And it's not Called RYZEN either (for exactly this reason). So why so angry??

 

Its not like the other side, where you have to pay a premium for specific overclockable parts...

5 hours ago, Taf the Ghost said:

AMD has a fairly massive market for APUs in 2nd & 3rd world countries. There's a reason why they keep making them. They go in all sorts of weird systems. AMD is also still a massive player in the embedded market. The SKUs aren't just for the Retail market, even if that's still AMD's big space that people notice them.

Exactly!

The Gaming Market is only a small parts and not even that lucrative. There are others that are more interesting...

And that's the Embedded/Industrial Stuff for example...

 

[ZacoAttaco]

Funny, I'd just made a thread around clarity of the AMD CPUs and why some don't have integrated graphics. Seems like something more viable on lower-end chips.

[CatTNT]

11 hours ago, The Benjamins said:

AMD is releasing the AMD Athlon 200GE.

Looks nice, it will compete with Intels G4560. Looks like a good HTPC APU or dirt cheap entry PC.

 

EDIT: their are 2 other models to be release later this year. 220GE, 240GE.

 

https://www.amd.com/en/processors/athlon-and-a-series

https://www.anandtech.com/show/13332/amd-athlon-200ge-55-usd

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Model: AMD Athlon™ 200GE

Family: AMD Athlon™ Processors

Line: AMD Athlon™ Desktop Processors with Radeon™ Vega Graphics

Platform: Desktop

OPN Tray: YD200GC6M2OFB

# of CPU Cores: 2

# of Threads: 4

# of GPU Cores: 3

Compute Cores: 5 (2 CPU + 3 GPU)

Base Clock: 3.2GHz

Max Boost Clock: 3.2GHz

Total L1 Cache: 192KB

Total L2 Cache: 1MB

Total L3 Cache: 4MB

Unlocked: No

CMOS: 14nm

Package: AM4

Default TDP / TDP: 35W

Max Temps: 105°C

Max System Memory Speed: 2667MHz

Memory Channels: 2

Graphics Frequency: 1000 MHz

Graphics Model: Radeon™ Vega 3 Graphics

Graphics Core Count: 3

DisplayPort: Yes

HDMI: Yes

 

 

https://wccftech.com/amd-athlon-200ge-zen-vega-cores-55-usd-cpu-launch/

https://videocardz.com/77816/amd-2nd-gen-ryzen-pro-and-athlon-pro-announcement-slides-leaked

 

 

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high-definition 720p

 

[The Benjamins]

Just now, CatTNT said:

 

Why did you quote me? 

 

and HD is 1280x720 FHD is 1920x1080

[PlayStation 2]

I actually am pretty damn hyped for this; I could get my hands on this and put Team Fortress 2 through its paces once it drops.

[GDRRiley]

this wouldn't make a bad PS4/Xbox killer with a build around 250-275$ It hits all the boxes, not full HD, cheap, lack of storage and oh god memory needs to drop for this to make sense https://pcpartpicker.com/list/T3L4P3

[PlayStation 2]

6 minutes ago, GDRRiley said:

this wouldn't make a bad PS4/Xbox killer with a build around 250-275$ It hits all the boxes, not full HD, cheap, lack of storage and oh god memory needs to drop for this to make sense https://pcpartpicker.com/list/T3L4P3

See, I don't particularly think not full HD equals not being able to run Fortnite at 720p60.

[Stefan Payne]

3 hours ago, ZacoAttaco said:

Funny, I'd just made a thread around clarity of the AMD CPUs and why some don't have integrated graphics. Seems like something more viable on lower-end chips.

Lower end is more for Office and embedded.

You don't really need 8 Cores there but an IGP is essential.

 

The 8 Cores are Server Dies.

You don't need 3D Graphics there and every Server comes with a combined 2D Graphics and Managment Combi Chip...

 

 

[Misanthrope]

3 hours ago, Stefan Payne said:

We are talking about a sub 100€ Part here.

For around double the price you can get an overclockable, 4 Core Ryzen 3 2200G.

 

And it's not Called RYZEN either (for exactly this reason). So why so angry??

Because we're not talking about intel here (and even they have done very low budget unlocked CPUs before with the aniversary Pentium for example) my expectation for AMD in these kinds of cases is a lot higher. So with my that expectation my disappointment is similarly bigger.

 

Maybe that's a good problem to have for AMD to have us actually expect fairly competitive and good priced chips don't get me wrong, there's certainly a point to say "they're doing way better than intel" but I still think that having the option to overclock shouldn't be a matter of whenever it's a pricey part or not. We would definitively expect fairly poor overclockability as I said before but having the option to at least try should be there: getting lucky with a decent overclock is arguably more important for budget CPU parts where you can squeeze a bit more out of a really tight budget.

[Stefan Payne]

11 minutes ago, GDRRiley said:

this wouldn't make a bad PS4/Xbox killer with a build around 250-275$ It hits all the boxes, not full HD, cheap, lack of storage and oh god memory needs to drop for this to make sense https://pcpartpicker.com/list/T3L4P3

ähm, no?
Even the worst of those consoles has something like 786 Shaders, the other 1152 IIRC.

And Bandwith was around 68GB/Sec.

And with DDR4-2666 Memory we are talking about like ~40GB/Sec

As for the best IGP AMD has right now: 11 CU Clusters, 704 Shaders...

 

So no, its far from the XBox One due to Memory Limitations. 

We need at least a quad channel Interface for that.

Or DDR-x 5866 - wich we won't see anytime soon - or HBM2...

 

[xAcid9]

13 hours ago, The Benjamins said:

AMD is releasing the AMD Athlon 200GE.

 

 

 

Got higher res for this slide? Can't read the footnote. 

[PlayStation 2]

3 minutes ago, xAcid9 said:

 

 

Got higher res for this slide? Can't read the footnote. 

12.6 million players for Dota 2 and 100 million players for League of Legends via SUPERDATA

[something] Rocket League player count of 40 million users via [source]

[xAcid9]

15 minutes ago, Dan Castellaneta said:

12.6 million players for Dota 2 and 100 million players for League of Legends via SUPERDATA

[something] Rocket League player count of 40 million users via [source]

Oh.. i thought its the test pc spec. 

[schwellmo92]

52 minutes ago, Stefan Payne said:

ähm, no?
Even the worst of those consoles has something like 786 Shaders, the other 1152 IIRC.

And Bandwith was around 68GB/Sec.

And with DDR4-2666 Memory we are talking about like ~40GB/Sec

As for the best IGP AMD has right now: 11 CU Clusters, 704 Shaders...

 

So no, its far from the XBox One due to Memory Limitations. 

We need at least a quad channel Interface for that.

Or DDR-x 5866 - wich we won't see anytime soon - or HBM2...

 

It's a country mile from the Xbox One X with 2560 shaders and 326GB/s memory, would need about 14 memory channels for DDR4.

[ZcanKal]

14 hours ago, bcredeur97 said:

this is impressive. You can probably build a computer for $150 with this.

 

all you need is this, a motherboard, a cheap/used PSU, and a hard drive  and then shove it all in a case lol

It uses DDR4, so that raises the price to at least 500$ usd.

[cj09beira]

14 hours ago, 2Buck said:

Well if you're doing simple tasks (which is what most will buy this for I imagine), it'll be fine. I was just using a Core 2 Duo (3ghz) with 4GB of DDR2 a few months ago and the web still felt snappy, and even played a little max settings Minecraft. (It was Windows 7 though, so I dunno if that makes a difference.)

 

Now the second you throw in some multitasking like a discord call or having a browser open while playing a game, the experience would start to stutter I imagine.

you being on win 7 is part of why worked out ok, vista would be bad and so is win 10

9 hours ago, Dan Castellaneta said:

Yeah, while I do think that leaving it unlocked would've given it a little extra value, I do see why AMD is locking it.

with 14nm yields being as good as they are they might be trying to limit the utility of this skus, as they would prefer to sell this parts as 2200Gs instead of athlons