Posted August 27, 2018 I am going back to school and was wondering what would be a good windows laptop for photography/film making as I use adobe services, and I do gaming. The school says I should get a 2018 MacBook Pro 15 top spec processor and ram. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted August 27, 2018 DO. NOT. GET. THE. TOP. SPEC. MACBOOK. PRO. PERIOD. Also you'll be lucky to even get a "decent" gaming experience on a MacBook Pro. They're just not meant for that. Intel® Core™ i7-12700 | GIGABYTE B660 AORUS MASTER DDR4 | Gigabyte Radeon™ RX 6650 XT Gaming OC | 32GB Corsair Vengeance® RGB Pro SL DDR4 | Samsung 990 Pro 1TB | WD Green 1.5TB | Windows 11 Pro | NZXT H510 Flow White Sony MDR-V250 | GNT-500 | Logitech G610 Orion Brown | Logitech G402 | Samsung C27JG5 | ASUS ProArt PA238QR iPhone 12 Mini (iOS 17.2.1) | iPhone XR (iOS 17.2.1) | iPad Mini (iOS 9.3.5) | KZ AZ09 Pro x KZ ZSN Pro X | Sennheiser HD450bt Intel® Core™ i7-1265U | Kioxia KBG50ZNV512G | 16GB DDR4 | Windows 11 Enterprise | HP EliteBook 650 G9 Intel® Core™ i5-8520U | WD Blue M.2 250GB | 1TB Seagate FireCuda | 16GB DDR4 | Windows 11 Home | ASUS Vivobook 15 Intel® Core™ i7-3520M | GT 630M | 16 GB Corsair Vengeance® DDR3 | Samsung 850 EVO 250GB | macOS Catalina | Lenovo IdeaPad P580 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted August 27, 2018 8 minutes ago, BlueChinchillaEatingDorito said: DO. NOT. GET. THE. TOP. SPEC. MACBOOK. PRO. PERIOD. Also you'll be lucky to even get a "decent" gaming experience on a MacBook Pro. They're just not meant for that. Well, they released an update that stops the throttling... NEW PC build: Blank Heaven minimalist white and black PC Old S340 build log "White Heaven" The "LIGHTCANON" flashlight build log Project AntiRoll (prototype) Custom speaker project Spoiler Ryzen 3950X | AMD Vega Frontier Edition | ASUS X570 Pro WS | Corsair Vengeance LPX 64GB | NZXT H500 | Seasonic Prime Fanless TX-700 | Custom loop | Coolermaster SK630 White | Logitech MX Master 2S | Samsung 980 Pro 1TB + 970 Pro 512GB | Samsung 58" 4k TV | Scarlett 2i4 | 2x AT2020 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted August 27, 2018 Take a look at the Huawei matebook X Pro or the suite of dell XPS's. That is if you are aiming at ultrabooks, if you dont mind it being a bit thicker an shorter batterilife there are a lot of gaming or workstation grade laptops out there. Though i personally dont hVe a great suggestion Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted August 27, 2018 1 minute ago, Enderman said: Well, they released an update that stops the throttling... It still throttles. Just not as hard and under consant 97*C at 22* ambient. It also doesnt change the valueproposition. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted August 27, 2018 18 minutes ago, JRB1994 said: The school says I should get a 2018 MacBook Pro 15 top spec processor and ram. ask them if they will pay for that. If they don't, ignore their kind suggestion. CPU: i7-2600K 4751MHz 1.44V (software) --> 1.47V at the back of the socket Motherboard: Asrock Z77 Extreme4 (BCLK: 103.3MHz) CPU Cooler: Noctua NH-D15 RAM: Adata XPG 2x8GB DDR3 (XMP: 2133MHz 10-11-11-30 CR2, custom: 2203MHz 10-11-10-26 CR1 tRFC:230 tREFI:14000) GPU: Asus GTX 1070 Dual (Super Jetstream vbios, +70(2025-2088MHz)/+400(8.8Gbps)) SSD: Samsung 840 Pro 256GB (main boot drive), Transcend SSD370 128GB PSU: Seasonic X-660 80+ Gold Case: Antec P110 Silent, 5 intakes 1 exhaust Monitor: AOC G2460PF 1080p 144Hz (150Hz max w/ DP, 121Hz max w/ HDMI) TN panel Keyboard: Logitech G610 Orion (Cherry MX Blue) with SteelSeries Apex M260 keycaps Mouse: BenQ Zowie FK1 Model: HP Omen 17 17-an110ca CPU: i7-8750H (0.125V core & cache, 50mV SA undervolt) GPU: GTX 1060 6GB Mobile (+80/+450, 1650MHz~1750MHz 0.78V~0.85V) RAM: 8+8GB DDR4-2400 18-17-17-39 2T Storage: HP EX920 1TB PCIe x4 M.2 SSD + Crucial MX500 1TB 2.5" SATA SSD, 128GB Toshiba PCIe x2 M.2 SSD (KBG30ZMV128G) gone cooking externally, 1TB Seagate 7200RPM 2.5" HDD (ST1000LM049-2GH172) left outside Monitor: 1080p 126Hz IPS G-sync Desktop benching: Cinebench R15 Single thread:168 Multi-thread: 833 SuperPi (v1.5 from Techpowerup, PI value output) 16K: 0.100s 1M: 8.255s 32M: 7m 45.93s Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted August 27, 2018 3 minutes ago, GoldenLag said: It still throttles. Just not as hard and under consant 97*C at 22* ambient. It also doesnt change the valueproposition. "no throttling whatsoever" NEW PC build: Blank Heaven minimalist white and black PC Old S340 build log "White Heaven" The "LIGHTCANON" flashlight build log Project AntiRoll (prototype) Custom speaker project Spoiler Ryzen 3950X | AMD Vega Frontier Edition | ASUS X570 Pro WS | Corsair Vengeance LPX 64GB | NZXT H500 | Seasonic Prime Fanless TX-700 | Custom loop | Coolermaster SK630 White | Logitech MX Master 2S | Samsung 980 Pro 1TB + 970 Pro 512GB | Samsung 58" 4k TV | Scarlett 2i4 | 2x AT2020 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted August 27, 2018 10 minutes ago, Enderman said: Well, they released an update that stops the throttling... It's just a band-aid fix that doesn't address the major issue. Top of the line processor, thin and light design. You're still not exactly getting the most of that Core i9 you're paying for, not to mention all the other issues regarding long term ownership. Data recovery if anything on the board dies for example. Sure everyone should be making constant backups of their important data, but that still doesn't mean you should then completely cripple chances for data recovery. There are better ways of handling drive encryption. Intel® Core™ i7-12700 | GIGABYTE B660 AORUS MASTER DDR4 | Gigabyte Radeon™ RX 6650 XT Gaming OC | 32GB Corsair Vengeance® RGB Pro SL DDR4 | Samsung 990 Pro 1TB | WD Green 1.5TB | Windows 11 Pro | NZXT H510 Flow White Sony MDR-V250 | GNT-500 | Logitech G610 Orion Brown | Logitech G402 | Samsung C27JG5 | ASUS ProArt PA238QR iPhone 12 Mini (iOS 17.2.1) | iPhone XR (iOS 17.2.1) | iPad Mini (iOS 9.3.5) | KZ AZ09 Pro x KZ ZSN Pro X | Sennheiser HD450bt Intel® Core™ i7-1265U | Kioxia KBG50ZNV512G | 16GB DDR4 | Windows 11 Enterprise | HP EliteBook 650 G9 Intel® Core™ i5-8520U | WD Blue M.2 250GB | 1TB Seagate FireCuda | 16GB DDR4 | Windows 11 Home | ASUS Vivobook 15 Intel® Core™ i7-3520M | GT 630M | 16 GB Corsair Vengeance® DDR3 | Samsung 850 EVO 250GB | macOS Catalina | Lenovo IdeaPad P580 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted August 27, 2018 2 minutes ago, Enderman said: "no throttling whatsoever" Ok, shure. It doesnt "thermal throttle" in the sence it goes above 100*C. Still doesnt change the value proposition Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted August 27, 2018 3 minutes ago, BlueChinchillaEatingDorito said: It's just a band-aid fix that doesn't address the major issue. Top of the line processor, thin and light design. You're still not exactly getting the most of that Core i9 you're paying for, not to mention all the other issues regarding long term ownership. Data recovery if anything on the board dies for example. Sure everyone should be making constant backups of their important data, but that still doesn't mean you should then completely cripple chances for data recovery. There are better ways of handling drive encryption. What is "the most" out of a processor? Is it when you run the CPU at 5GHz? Is it when you use phase change and get 6GHz? Is it 8GHz under LN2? I think the video did a good job of showing that the CPU isn't crippled like it used to be before they changed the fan curve and power limits, maybe you should watch it. 1 minute ago, GoldenLag said: Ok, shure. It doesnt "thermal throttle" in the sence it goes above 100*C. Still doesnt change the value proposition There's a literal definition of thermal throttling. It doesn't "thermal throttle" in the sense that it throttles the frequency due to thermals. NEW PC build: Blank Heaven minimalist white and black PC Old S340 build log "White Heaven" The "LIGHTCANON" flashlight build log Project AntiRoll (prototype) Custom speaker project Spoiler Ryzen 3950X | AMD Vega Frontier Edition | ASUS X570 Pro WS | Corsair Vengeance LPX 64GB | NZXT H500 | Seasonic Prime Fanless TX-700 | Custom loop | Coolermaster SK630 White | Logitech MX Master 2S | Samsung 980 Pro 1TB + 970 Pro 512GB | Samsung 58" 4k TV | Scarlett 2i4 | 2x AT2020 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted August 27, 2018 (edited) 11 minutes ago, Enderman said: What is "the most" out of a processor? Is it when you run the CPU at 5GHz? Is it when you use phase change and get 6GHz? Is it 8GHz under LN2? I think the video did a good job of showing that the CPU isn't crippled like it used to be before they changed the fan curve and power limits, maybe you should watch it. There's a literal definition of thermal throttling. It doesn't "thermal throttle" in the sense that it throttles the frequency due to thermals. The processor is pretty goddman good, it does throttle boost clocks due to temps and the change in "tdp limits" implemented in MacOS shortened the boost time allready. But again. The valueproposition. There are plenty of other choices out there. And many of them are better value. Edited August 27, 2018 by GoldenLag Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted August 27, 2018 1 minute ago, GoldenLag said: The processor is pretty goddman good, it doesn throttle boost clocks due to temps and the change in "tdp limits" implemented in MacOS shortened the boost time allready. But again. The valueproposition. There are plenty of other choices out there. And many of them are better value. Point is that buying it is actually an option now as opposed to before where buying it was absurd. Value is subjective, people weigh things differently, not everyone just takes an fps number and divides it by the cost like you might. I would recommend OP gets an XPS laptop for his work. It can game fine for a laptop. NEW PC build: Blank Heaven minimalist white and black PC Old S340 build log "White Heaven" The "LIGHTCANON" flashlight build log Project AntiRoll (prototype) Custom speaker project Spoiler Ryzen 3950X | AMD Vega Frontier Edition | ASUS X570 Pro WS | Corsair Vengeance LPX 64GB | NZXT H500 | Seasonic Prime Fanless TX-700 | Custom loop | Coolermaster SK630 White | Logitech MX Master 2S | Samsung 980 Pro 1TB + 970 Pro 512GB | Samsung 58" 4k TV | Scarlett 2i4 | 2x AT2020 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted August 27, 2018 4 minutes ago, Enderman said: Value is subjective, people weigh things differently, not everyone just takes an fps number and divides it by the cost like you might. Yes value is somewhat subjective. Though the overall valueproposition can be evaluated relativly objectivly. Now i like in many ways what the macbook offers. Like services and general safety that the hardware has a pretty good standard (though with some hiccups that most companies have). Also when looking at ultrabooks im pretty much ignoring gaming benchmarks. But in terms of value the macbook just isnt there for me to recommend. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted August 27, 2018 Author 1 hour ago, Jurrunio said: ask them if they will pay for that. If they don't, ignore their kind suggestion. Its paid for through tuition so I have about 3-4K for one. I was looking at abrazer blade 4K but I don’t know how the colour reproduction is Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted August 27, 2018 13 minutes ago, JRB1994 said: Its paid for through tuition so I have about 3-4K for one. I was looking at abrazer blade 4K but I don’t know how the colour reproduction is Razer quality lol I'd stick with the Dell XPS as others suggested (15 will be my personal pick). Dont waste your money on the i9 since you cant do overclocking without cooking things (it can cook itself at stock settings), just buy the 8750H model and undervolt the CPU. You might want to replace the stock thermal paste if you want to, but it's fine if you dont want to risk it. CPU: i7-2600K 4751MHz 1.44V (software) --> 1.47V at the back of the socket Motherboard: Asrock Z77 Extreme4 (BCLK: 103.3MHz) CPU Cooler: Noctua NH-D15 RAM: Adata XPG 2x8GB DDR3 (XMP: 2133MHz 10-11-11-30 CR2, custom: 2203MHz 10-11-10-26 CR1 tRFC:230 tREFI:14000) GPU: Asus GTX 1070 Dual (Super Jetstream vbios, +70(2025-2088MHz)/+400(8.8Gbps)) SSD: Samsung 840 Pro 256GB (main boot drive), Transcend SSD370 128GB PSU: Seasonic X-660 80+ Gold Case: Antec P110 Silent, 5 intakes 1 exhaust Monitor: AOC G2460PF 1080p 144Hz (150Hz max w/ DP, 121Hz max w/ HDMI) TN panel Keyboard: Logitech G610 Orion (Cherry MX Blue) with SteelSeries Apex M260 keycaps Mouse: BenQ Zowie FK1 Model: HP Omen 17 17-an110ca CPU: i7-8750H (0.125V core & cache, 50mV SA undervolt) GPU: GTX 1060 6GB Mobile (+80/+450, 1650MHz~1750MHz 0.78V~0.85V) RAM: 8+8GB DDR4-2400 18-17-17-39 2T Storage: HP EX920 1TB PCIe x4 M.2 SSD + Crucial MX500 1TB 2.5" SATA SSD, 128GB Toshiba PCIe x2 M.2 SSD (KBG30ZMV128G) gone cooking externally, 1TB Seagate 7200RPM 2.5" HDD (ST1000LM049-2GH172) left outside Monitor: 1080p 126Hz IPS G-sync Desktop benching: Cinebench R15 Single thread:168 Multi-thread: 833 SuperPi (v1.5 from Techpowerup, PI value output) 16K: 0.100s 1M: 8.255s 32M: 7m 45.93s Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted August 27, 2018 Author 2 hours ago, BlueChinchillaEatingDorito said: DO. NOT. GET. THE. TOP. SPEC. MACBOOK. PRO. PERIOD. Also you'll be lucky to even get a "decent" gaming experience on a MacBook Pro. They're just not meant for that. I know, that’s why I asked for a windows alternative. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted August 27, 2018 XPS 15 has too many issues. Razer laptops have terrible quality. Only get MBP if you really need macOS. And don't get i9, it's a garbage CPU in thin laptops What's your budget? Location? Preferred max weight and battery life? Desktop specs: Spoiler AMD Ryzen 5 5600 Thermalright Peerless Assassin 120 SE ARGB Gigabyte B550M DS3H mATX Asrock Challenger Pro OC Radeon RX 6700 XT Corsair Vengeance LPX 16GB (8Gx2) 3600MHz CL18 Kingston NV2 1TB PCIe 4.0 NVMe SSD Montech Century 850W Gold Tecware Nexus Air (Black) ATX Mid Tower Laptop: Lenovo Ideapad 5 Pro 16ACH6 Phone: Xiaomi Redmi Note 10 Pro 8+128 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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