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You look like you are over complicating it.... If you want to see if how much heat can this setup transfer out the case, you just need to know the heat properties of air, which are the Heat transfer coefficient of air and the thermal coefficient. Once obtained, you can say if X amount of CFM enters and leaves the radiator tower, and the heat transfer coefficient of the radiators is Y, then how much of it will be dissipated of the TDP the system is generating. This is the scientific way to do it, and it's much more easy to understand.

 

IMO, he just has to try with more powerful fans (he went with the low RPM version of the eloops). The Silverstone AP look like they have a ton of potential here, thanks to the wind tunnel they exhaust.

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You look like you are over complicating it.... If you want to see if how much heat can this setup transfer out the case, you just need to know the heat properties of air, which are the Heat transfer coefficient of air and the thermal coefficient. Once obtained, you can say if X amount of CFM enters and leaves the radiator tower, and the heat transfer coefficient of the radiators is Y, then how much of it will be dissipated of the TDP the system is generating. This is the scientific way to do it, and it's much more easy to understand.

IMO, he just has to try with more powerful fans (he went with the low RPM version of the eloops). The Silverstone AP look like they have a ton of potential here, thanks to the wind tunnel they exhaust.

They be good, especially the ap123

n0ah1897, on 05 Mar 2014 - 2:08 PM, said:  "Computers are like girls. It's whats in the inside that matters.  I don't know about you, but I like my girls like I like my cases. Just as beautiful on the inside as the outside."

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I'm glad you're back, it was so long since update that I've deleted the topic from my bookmarks (yes, I had it in my bookmarks, not subscriptions but bookmarks!).

I hope you'll get everything sorted and show us some more nerd-porn :)

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If it seems complicated, that because it is they are asking me for "math" calculation without any data points from the system except general specs, so I have to use examples and refer to chart "interpolations", and can be feasible to use as system monitoring after the system's performance profile can be made (water temperature target, while adjusting pump and fan speed).  You can say, that's the engineering way.   :rolleyes:
 
I think either method, one would still need q for four radiators in series, which varies according to pump speed and airflow... (best done through testing), but I would prefer to based performance off the water temperature target (which is easier to monitor than actual CFM, or pump speed, etc).  I went with the thermal resistance method since other examples and experiments I found out there also use it (good for relative comparison).  
 
Either way, In addition to better performing fans, temperature sensor in the water would be recommended (in and out of radiator set if possible).
 

You look like you are over complicating it.... If you want to see if how much heat can this setup transfer out the case, you just need to know the heat properties of air, which are the Heat transfer coefficient of air and the thermal coefficient. Once obtained, you can say if X amount of CFM enters and leaves the radiator tower, and the heat transfer coefficient of the radiators is Y, then how much of it will be dissipated of the TDP the system is generating. This is the scientific way to do it, and it's much more easy to understand.

 

IMO, he just has to try with more powerful fans (he went with the low RPM version of the eloops). The Silverstone AP look like they have a ton of potential here, thanks to the wind tunnel they exhaust.

 

They be good, especially the ap123

 

Looking at these numbers, the AP123 would be borderline performing at best. 

 

 
Speed: 800rpm
Airflow: 33.6CFM
Static Pressure: 0.585 mmH2O
 
 
The AP123 are rated at Speed
Speed: 1500 rpm
Airflow: 31.4CFM
Static Pressure: 1.21 mmH2O
 
Compared to Corsair's AF120/SP120
 
AF120
Speed: 1100 RPM
Air Flow: 39.88 CFM
Static Pressure: 0.5 mm/H2O
 
SP120 
Speed: 2350 RPM
Air Flow: 62.74 CFM
Static Pressure: 3.1 mmH2O

My Rigs (past and present)

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If it seems complicated, that because it is they are asking me for "math" calculation without any data points from the system except general specs, so I have to use examples and refer to chart "interpolations", and can be feasible to use as system monitoring after the system's performance profile can be made (water temperature target, while adjusting pump and fan speed). You can say, that's the engineering way. :rolleyes:

I think either method, one would still need q for four radiators in series, which varies according to pump speed and airflow... (best done through testing), but I would prefer to based performance off the water temperature target (which is easier to monitor than actual CFM, or pump speed, etc). I went with the thermal resistance method since other examples and experiments I found out there also use it (good for relative comparison).

Either way, In addition to better performing fans, temperature sensor in the water would be recommended (in and out of radiator set if possible).

Looking at these numbers, the AP123 would be borderline performing at best.

The NB B12-1 (http://www.blacknoise.com/datas/downloads/datasheets/TData_eloop120_122012_de.pdf)

Speed: 800rpm

Airflow: 33.6CFM

Static Pressure: 0.585 mmH2O

The AP123 are rated at Speed

Speed: 1500 rpm

Airflow: 31.4CFM

Static Pressure: 1.21 mmH2O

Compared to Corsair's AF120/SP120

AF120

Speed: 1100 RPM

Air Flow: 39.88 CFM

Static Pressure: 0.5 mm/H2O

SP120

Speed: 2350 RPM

Air Flow: 62.74 CFM

Static Pressure: 3.1 mmH2O

Check out the aerocool Ds fans as well

n0ah1897, on 05 Mar 2014 - 2:08 PM, said:  "Computers are like girls. It's whats in the inside that matters.  I don't know about you, but I like my girls like I like my cases. Just as beautiful on the inside as the outside."

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Right guys! I know I've said this before, and it's been a few months since I've last posted.. BUT... The final images are being uploaded right now and I will be finishing this build log later today!

 

Stay tuned. :D

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It's not a bug, it's an undocumented feature!

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Choo Choo!!

Final update time!!

It's been quite some time since the teaser images and the failing of my fans & pump. Truth be told, I repaired the PC months ago and it's been

working just fine ever since - I've just been too busy/lazy to update this build log. But better late than never eh?

There's a couple things I'm not 100% happy about - the fans mainly. They do the job just fine, I'm just not a fan of the white frames and

should have gone with some higher RPM eLoops, but I'm not gonna strip it all down and spend money again when I don't have to. I might end up

covering up the fan frames eventually with some black vinyl or something, but for now it'll do.

So, anyway, here it is. Enjoy.

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There you go. Hope you guys like it.


When I started this log there was a lot of discusion about whether or not the stacked rads would work, especially with the parallel loop, and

it turns out it does work. Admitidly, it didn't work with 800RPM eLoops in there because they just didn't move any air. But with some 1500RPM

'GTish' fans, it's been working flawlessly (other than a slight memory overclocking fault that's now been fixed).

Temps may not appeal to everyone, but they are well within Intel's spec, and the system won't be run anywhere near full load for prolonged

periods of time anyway.

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(CPU @ 4.5GHz 1.35V, RAM @ 2000MHz 9-10-10-24 T1 @ 1.7V)


And here's the whole set up for anyone interested:

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LG 34" ultrawide
Ducky Shine III - Cherry MX blue
Logitech Performance MX
Corsair SP2500
Generic RGB LED strip

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you know you are doing something right when my school's internet filter blocks this thread because it thinks it is porn.

NEW BUILD LOG!!!: Project Comilinx http://linustechtips.com/main/topic/313532-in-progress-project-comilinx-side-panel-modpainting-update-1932015/

Other build: Project Impracticality http://linustechtips.com/main/topic/131898-wip-project-impracticality-new-name-partsdesign-update/

Wallpaper dump: http://linustechtips.com/main/topic/227721-cool-backgrounds-i-found-on-imgur-now-with-phone-backgrounds/

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Damn, that's just absolutely gorgeous. The clean runs are great, and the fact they extend to behind the mobo tray (cos of glass side panels no doubt) makes it even more beautiful as it's meantextra effort.

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Your motherboard appears to be having an identity crisis, but it looks pretty damn good.

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Contemplating the 901 or the Bitfenix Pandora for my next build.

Get the 901 for that tempered glass side panel.

Amazing build, makes me want the 904

n0ah1897, on 05 Mar 2014 - 2:08 PM, said:  "Computers are like girls. It's whats in the inside that matters.  I don't know about you, but I like my girls like I like my cases. Just as beautiful on the inside as the outside."

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Interesting radiator configuration.

How does the pump handle it? It's a lot of rads...

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Interesting radiator configuration.

How does the pump handle it? It's a lot of rads...

Rads are not very restrictive compared to water blocks

n0ah1897, on 05 Mar 2014 - 2:08 PM, said:  "Computers are like girls. It's whats in the inside that matters.  I don't know about you, but I like my girls like I like my cases. Just as beautiful on the inside as the outside."

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I just think of the inductive heat from one rad to another. Testing has been done, it's not an ideal setup but no one can take away that this thing looks completely bad ass.

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Your motherboard appears to be having an identity crisis, but it looks pretty damn good.

 

I had a spare Rampage Black lying around so thought I'd use the I/O cover to clean up this build a little bit. :)

 

Interesting radiator configuration.

How does the pump handle it? It's a lot of rads...

 

Pumps fine, the parallel set up means there's hardly any restriction in the loop.

 

I just think of the inductive heat from one rad to another. Testing has been done, it's not an ideal setup but no one can take away that this thing looks completely bad ass.

 

I figured it would be the same as having an intake rad at the front and an exhaust rad in the roof. Seemed to work out ok in the end.

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I must say I find this incredibly soothing to look at. I'm a fan of pink when used properly. One of my BMXs was custom painted in Hubba Bubba metallic pink :D

 

RE - OCUK - looking forward to seeing something done with that SLI bridge :)

Area 51 2014. Intel 5820k@ 4.4ghz. MSI X99.16gb Quad channel ram. AMD Fury X.Asus RAIDR.OCZ ARC 480gb SSD. Velociraptor 600gb. 2tb WD.

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