DDR4 Info:D?

[ViruZ_HUN]

Hello!

 

First of i am not looking to buy any DDR4 since it will cost millions i think...

 

 

So i am just wondering what the smallest DDR4 stick will be?: 2 gigs or?

 

and i have heard that Haswell-e supports DDR4?, but i heard before that it supports DDR3 (too)?

 

and what is it expected to cost?

 

How many Dimm slots is DDR4 mobos expected to have?

 

 

 

I tried to find info but i cant find something new lol,...

 

 

[TechSage]

I heard it will have a 16GB stick, which blows my mind

[Nineshadow]

DDR4 will come with frequencies of 2133 and higher, and lower voltages.

Taken from wiki:  

It discards the multiple DIMMs per channel approach in favor of a point-to-point topology where each channel in the memory controller is connected to a single DIMM.

 

It will,however, come with higher density sticks.Hopefully 8Gigs and up.

[LegendKillerRG]

DDR4 are expected to have 4GB each and will have 4 DIMMS slot available... it's to cost the same if not a bit more...

[wng_kingsley7]

DDR4 will come with frequencies of 2133 and higher, and lower voltages.

Taken from wiki:  

It will,however, come with higher density sticks.Hopefully 8Gigs and up.

Sounds expensive

[The3amJunkie]

Sounds expensive

 

At first it will be like everything else, but over time it will get down to consumer price.

[FireFox]

I heard it will have a 16GB stick, which blows my mind

 

Yea and I think the smallest will be 8GB I think

[AlwaysFSX]

I heard it will have a 16GB stick, which blows my mind

15 years later we look back and scoff upon our meager systems.

[FireFox]

and i have heard that Haswell-e supports DDR4?, but i heard before that it supports DDR3 (too)?

 

It could support both, my ancient pain in the arse laptop has an Intel GL40 chipset and is compatible with both DDR2 and DDR3, annoyingly it only has DDR2 slots, thank you Clevo

[EChondo]

15 years later we look back and scoff upon our meager systems.

Oh, like we do now with our old Pentium II's?

[ViruZ_HUN]

It could support both, my ancient pain in the arse laptop has an Intel GL40 chipset and is compatible with both DDR2 and DDR3, annoyingly it only has DDR2 slots, thank you Clevo

yes so the mobo manufacturers will make 2 kind of mobos to Haswell-e DDR3 and DDR4?

[FireFox]

yes so the mobo manufacturers will make 2 kind of mobos to Haswell-e DDR3 and DDR4?

 

possibly but I don't know, they will be one or the other

[AlwaysFSX]

Oh, like we do now with our old Pentium II's?

Exactly!

[deathjester]

We know one thing. It will start at 2133 and have lower voltage. We have no idea on latency, so it might not even be faster.  We know because of the die shrink we can fit more of it on a stick.

 

We have no idea about overclocking headroom/latency. What we do know is when you shrink a die? You can't run the same voltage through them or the @%@^ breaks.

 

Don't expect a massive improvement. If the latency was something to brag about? They would have had articles on it. 

 

 

15 years later we look back and scoff upon our meager systems.

 

No we won't because the limit on silicon was hit with Sandy Bridge. All improvements since have been mediocre. Moore's law is dead. All we are getting is optimization and faster stock chips with less headroom now with die shrinks. GPU's are also getting close to their thermal limit as well. If you think we are going to have a holodeck anytime soon, you are living in a fantasy world with Michio Koo Koo, who has never invented anything and thinks theory and non working models are fact. Regardless. Silicon? Don't expect anything fantastic here on out other then optimizing what we already have and making it communicate better. 

 

We might laugh at our peripherals though.

[LePawel]

No we won't because the limit on silicon was hit with Sandy Bridge. All improvements since have been mediocre. Moore's law is dead. All we are getting is optimization and faster stock chips with less headroom now with die shrinks. GPU's are also getting close to their thermal limit as well. If you think we are going to have a holodeck anytime soon, you are living in a fantasy world with Michio Koo Koo, who has never invented anything and thinks theory and non working models are fact. Regardless. Silicon? Don't expect anything fantastic here on out other then optimizing what we already have and making it communicate better. 

Just because we don't get 12 core CPUs on the consumer side doesn't mean Moore's law is dead. The tech is pushing forward, there's more to Ivy/Haswell than just silicon "barriers". The average PC gamer doesn't need anything above average-performing quad core because no one except AAA developers go for multithreding, and on top of that Indie market is booming. There's simply no need for significantly more performance right now, more games are GPU bound, and we are leaning towards GPUs as GPGPUs anyway, and you can't tell me that the 20 month old 680 can be compared with a 780ti now - yes it's more expensive, Moore's law does not include marketing and pricing - progress can be made if industry shows demand.

And we still have graphene up our sleeve, even if we were to jump to "just" 50 or even 25Ghz, not 150 like IBM did, it would be far more than enough. And yes they will find a way to distinguish a 0 and a 1 using graphene, they managed to get people to the moon with calculators, they will figure a way this time as well.

[deathjester]

Just because we don't get 12 core CPUs on the consumer side doesn't mean Moore's law is dead. The tech is pushing forward, there's more to Ivy/Haswell than just silicon "barriers". The average PC gamer doesn't need anything above average-performing quad core because no one except AAA developers go for multithreding, and on top of that Indie market is booming. There's simply no need for significantly more performance right now, more games are GPU bound, and we are leaning towards GPUs as GPGPUs anyway, and you can't tell me that the 20 month old 680 can be compared with a 780ti now - yes it's more expensive, Moore's law does not include marketing and pricing - progress can be made if industry shows demand.

And we still have graphene up our sleeve, even if we were to jump to "just" 50 or even 25Ghz, not 150 like IBM did, it would be far more than enough. And yes they will find a way to distinguish a 0 and a 1 using graphene, they managed to get people to the moon with calculators, they will figure a way this time as well.

 

Moores law is dead.

 

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AlC81MjwelBgdEZNV3l6aHl1eUNwSUR4Rml0MXMzN1E&usp=sharing#gid=0

 

BTW dat Sandy Bridge? Is on a stock cooler...

 

Have fun selling Broadwell with engineering samples that OC to 4.7, while companies like OriginPC guarantee a max clock on Haswell of 4.0-4.4 on water... I am sure more die shrinks will help!

 

More cores = more heat. Die shrinks = more heat. More heat requires more energy to cool which make the energy savings moot. Consumer my left foot. There are plenty of people that render and depend on it for a living. Xeon's with a ton of threads have to be at a low clock rate compared to the lesser core chips because of heat. Die shrinks isn't going to solve that problem. 

 

CPU's aren't even the problem. Sandybridge is so far ahead of GPU's at this point it is a joke. Mantle needs an 8 thread at 2ghz barely sweating to handle a r9 290x. We are already past double that. GPU's are just now starting to hit the same problems. So we have another 2 generations (maybe) of them and then? We are done. Stop selling fairy tails. You hit a limit with everything and we have hit it. 

 

I love how these tech companies act like consumer demand is holding them back, instead of admitting the real problem of getting high speeds to be stable on die shrinks with added heat. Ask an engineer at Intel and he will tell you the real problem. AMD? They didn't even bother shrinking the die. They just overclocked Nehelem sized chips and people think they are freaking awesome lol. 

 

The only thing the consumer is holding back on is putting multiple CPU's on the board (has already been done). What CPU would you pick? I would go with Sandy, because the die shrinks run to freakin hot. Then it becomes a question of how many cpu's  and gpu's you can cool in one box, and who is willing to pay a massive power bill for a game no one will code a game for (to use all the cpu's in parallel). 

[Arshdeep]

Sounds expensive

Sorry to add on, but none of our Ivy's and Haswells (not Haswell E, from what people are saying) won't support it. Dang it! Some people are still using the good 'old 2500K and such.

[EChondo]

I have a system with a Pentium 1 sitting around with the factory install of windows 95. No Ethernet.

Oh believe me, I have a couple systems myself with Windows 95 and 98, I have a couple 486 CPU's as well

[deathjester]

Oh believe me, I have a couple systems myself with Windows 95 and 98, I have a couple 486 CPU's as well

 

They need to bring back the Turbo button. Those were the days. 

[AlwaysFSX]

No we won't because the limit on silicon was hit with Sandy Bridge. All improvements since have been mediocre. Moore's law is dead. All we are getting is optimization and faster stock chips with less headroom now with die shrinks. GPU's are also getting close to their thermal limit as well. If you think we are going to have a holodeck anytime soon, you are living in a fantasy world with Michio Koo Koo, who has never invented anything and thinks theory and non working models are fact. Regardless. Silicon? Don't expect anything fantastic here on out other then optimizing what we already have and making it communicate better. 

 

We might laugh at our peripherals though.

Well you're depressing and don't understand how the technology for computer components work.

[LePawel]

I love how these tech companies act like consumer demand is holding them back, instead of admitting the real problem of getting high speeds to be stable on die shrinks with added heat. Ask an engineer at Intel and he will tell you the real problem. AMD? They didn't even bother shrinking the die. They just overclocked Nehelem sized chips and people think they are freaking awesome lol. 

 

The only thing the consumer is holding back on is putting multiple CPU's on the board (has already been done). What CPU would you pick? I would go with Sandy, because the die shrinks run to freakin hot. Then it becomes a question of how many cpu's  and gpu's you can cool in one box, and who is willing to pay a massive power bill for a game no one will code a game for (to use all the cpu's in parallel). 

Do you even know what Moore's law states?

The number of transistors on a chip will double every 18ish months.

GTX680    - April 2012    - 3.5 Billion - Fully utilized GK104

GTX780Ti - End of 2013 - 7.1 Billion - Fully utilized GK110

Need any more proof?

And I am sorry, but tell me, who on earth needs a last or current gen i7 except below budget-content creators and similar power users (3D modelling, movies, programming etc)?

i5 is enough gaming, and will be for the next year or 2, unless consoles push multithreading. i3 is enough for any other general tasks.

[DroPouT1999]

Let's iron out some of the main questions that people ask about DDR4, then i'll move on to my opinion:

• Will DDR4 be released on a consumer level anytime soon? No, probably will come out on a consumer level by the end of 2014/ first quarter 2015.
  
• Is it worth upgrading for? No, assuming DDR4 is progressing like RAM has since the original DDR, Clock speeds & higher capacity's mainly, we wont see any gaming improvement.
  
• Should you hold off your build? No, maybe wait until Christmas but, not for DDR4; you will be waiting a very long time.
  

RAM advancements don't really matter to the regular consumer, but they do matter to people who host servers, video editors ETC. Higher capacity's are always nice, just imagine 32GB sicks of RAM! Then we have clock speeds which will increase, stock speeds for consumer Home PC RAM will probably 2133mhz or something. Also the motherboards will also be very expensive when they are released, like the first DDR3 mobos.

I only recently upgraded to DDR3 and a newer system, a Core 2 Quad Q6600 @ 2.4ghz & 4GB DDR2/3. Before i upgraded to my new system i tested some DDR3 RAM in the oldmobo, up to 4GB of 1600mhz was supported. I discovered there is maybe a 1FPS increase in games and a 5% maximum increase in video render times.

In conclusion i'd say DDR4 is going to be the same as every RAM advancement: higher capacity's, higher clock speed & better CAS latency's.

[ViruZ_HUN]

 

Let's iron out some of the main questions that people ask about DDR4, then i'll move on to my opinion:

• Will DDR4 be released on a consumer level anytime soon? No, probably will come out on a consumer level by the end of 2014/ first quarter 2015.
• Is it worth upgrading for? No, assuming DDR4 is progressing like RAM has since the original DDR, Clock speeds & higher capacity's mainly, we wont see any gaming improvement.
• Should you hold off your build? No, maybe wait until Christmas but, not for DDR4; you will be waiting a very long time.

RAM advancements don't really matter to the regular consumer, but they do matter to people who host servers, video editors ETC. Higher capacity's are always nice, just imagine 32GB sicks of RAM! Then we have clock speeds which will increase, stock speeds for consumer Home PC RAM will probably 2133mhz or something. Also the motherboards will also be very expensive when they are released, like the first DDR3 mobos.

I only recently upgraded to DDR3 and a newer system, a Core 2 Quad Q6600 @ 2.4ghz & 4GB DDR2/3. Before i upgraded to my new system i tested some DDR3 RAM in the oldmobo, up to 4GB of 1600mhz was supported. I discovered there is maybe a 1FPS increase in games and a 5% maximum increase in video render times.

In conclusion i'd say DDR4 is going to be the same as every RAM advancement: higher capacity's, higher clock speed & better CAS latency's.

 

Thx!

 

What do you think Haswell-e will support then:D?

 

DDR3 or 4. Since Haswell-e seems to be well priced in the future and many people wants then to buy it, But then maybe the ram will be expensiver then the CPU?

[Lays]

I'm 100% not suprised you were the author of this post lol.

 

If you can't find any new info on it, it's probably because there isn't new info yet, just wait until closer to release to find out.

[ViruZ_HUN]

I'm 100% not suprised you were the author of this post lol.

 

If you can't find any new info on it, it's probably because there isn't new info yet, just wait until closer to release to find out.

Okay:/