cpu Should I get a new CPU or build a new system?

[koolrabbit]

Hi Everyone !! :):)

Hope you all well.

I am little new to the current market. My last build was around 5 to 6 years ago. 

Recently I purchased a Asus GTX 1080 A8G with promo. 

 

Question: Should I get a new CPU or build a new system or new monitor ?

 

Long term goal: playing VR game with HTC VIVE pro and play game on 4k setting or maybe ultra 4k.

 

Short term goal: play current games on high setting such as rise of the tomb raider, PUBG , Skyrim, middle earth shadow of war, battlefield 1, grand theft auto V , fallout 4 , assassin creed origins,  Far cry 5, state of decay 2, the forest , Fortnite (battle Royale), Kingdom come :Deliverance , Wolfenstein 2 the new colossus, Divinity: orginal sin 2, superhot ,outlast 2, dark souls 3 , mass effect andromeda and final fantasy XV. 

 

Current specs. ( 4 to 5 years system)

- CPU intel i5-4570
- Asus Z87-C LGA 1150
- Corsair 8G Kit 1866 VEN PRO C9
- NZXT white Phantom 410
- FSP650W platinum PSU
- Toshiba 3TB 3.5'' 7200rpm
- Samsung 2.5' 120G 840 EVO
- Asus Gtx 670 2GB
- asus vg278q ( not sure if i need a new monitor to optimize the card like Acer predator x34 UWQHD or asus predator but it looks over kill)

 

I am so confuse at the moment there is so many option on the markets. It will be awesome if i can get some expert advice from everyone.

 

Many thanks,
Kool rabbit 

 

[PopsicleHustler]

Hey. 

 

If you have budget, you should definitely buy new system (New CPU,Mobo and RAM). Get I7 8700k, 8 or 16GB RAM and motherboard that you prefer.

 

Getting 4th gen Intel CPU is not a good idea because it will bottleneck your's GTX 1080.

[w1nger1]

Your current system + 1080 is still good for gaming. Maybe upgrade to 16G ram, but not necessary. 

If your goal is going for 4K, you will need to get a new monitor.

I would sure get an extra  SSD for gaming, faster loading speed.
 

[Pixel5]

upgrading the CPU would certainly be one solution but to be honest for what you want to do you need more than one 1080 so im not sure if it makes much sense to upgrade the CPU now.

 

with one single 1080 you will not be able to play brand new games in 4K on high settings at least not with very smooth FPS.

 

For the Vive the GPU should be fine because Steam VR is good at scaling resolution to keep the FPS stable at 90, depending on the game this might be where you run into a bottleneck.

 

If you have the funds and dont care about the money it would certainly help to upgrade to a ryzen or 8700k but i personally wouldnt spend so much money for this upgrade.

[NelizMastr]

For the more demanding games of today, the i5 will bottleneck a 1080 even at 4K, so upgrading would be wise. You'll also want 16GB of RAM as 8 is barely scraping by nowadays.

 

Ideas, price and part wise, with the AMD build being overclockable:

 

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: AMD - Ryzen 5 2600 3.4GHz 6-Core Processor  ($189.99 @ Amazon) 
Motherboard: MSI - X470 GAMING PLUS ATX AM4 Motherboard  ($129.99 @ Amazon) 
Memory: Team - Vulcan 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-3000 Memory  ($165.98 @ Newegg) 
Total: $485.96
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2018-06-08 02:40 EDT-0400

 

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel - Core i5-8400 2.8GHz 6-Core Processor  ($178.89 @ OutletPC) 
Motherboard: ASRock - Z370 Pro4 ATX LGA1151 Motherboard  ($108.08 @ Amazon) 
Memory: G.Skill - Ripjaws 4 Series 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-3000 Memory  ($159.99 @ Newegg) 
Total: $446.96
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2018-06-08 02:38 EDT-0400

[Streetguru]

1 hour ago, koolrabbit said:

 

If you're going to game at 4k 60hz your CPU is mostly fine, if you ahve a lot of spare cash grab an R7 2700

for VR you need the CPU upgrade.

what's your budget/country?

[koolrabbit]

On 6/8/2018 at 4:14 PM, PopsicleHustler said:

Hey. 

 

If you have budget, you should definitely buy new system (New CPU,Mobo and RAM). Get I7 8700k, 8 or 16GB RAM and motherboard that you prefer.

 

Getting 4th gen Intel CPU is not a good idea because it will bottleneck your's GTX 1080.

Hi PopsicleHustler,

Sorry for my late response. 
Budget :Around 1000 aus
CPU: i7 8700k referring to coffee  lake ?Also do I need to place a cooler on the CPU? 

Ram: what brands and product line do you suggest ?

Motherboard: Is asus gaming board any good ?
Case: do you know any cases with good air flow? 

Thank you

Many thanks 
Koolrabbit

[koolrabbit]

On 6/8/2018 at 4:21 PM, w1nger1 said:

Your current system + 1080 is still good for gaming. Maybe upgrade to 16G ram, but not necessary. 

If your goal is going for 4K, you will need to get a new monitor.

I would sure get an extra  SSD for gaming, faster loading speed.
 

Hi w1nger1,

Thank you for providing me suggestion. My goal is to get ready for 4K gaming in the next couple years

Monitor : which brands or models do you recommend ?

SSD: any sdd should be ok ?

many thanks

Koolrabbit

[koolrabbit]

On 6/8/2018 at 4:22 PM, Pixel5 said:

upgrading the CPU would certainly be one solution but to be honest for what you want to do you need more than one 1080 so im not sure if it makes much sense to upgrade the CPU now.

 

with one single 1080 you will not be able to play brand new games in 4K on high settings at least not with very smooth FPS.

 

For the Vive the GPU should be fine because Steam VR is good at scaling resolution to keep the FPS stable at 90, depending on the game this might be where you run into a bottleneck.

 

If you have the funds and dont care about the money it would certainly help to upgrade to a ryzen or 8700k but i personally wouldnt spend so much money for this upgrade.

Hi Pixel5,

 

Thank you for your information :).

Budget : 1000 AUS

CPU: I was initially thinking to just upgrade my current LGA 1150 CPU to i7 but i am not sure if there new CPU launching. Most likely at this stage planning to build a new system. What kind of CPU do you suggest ? I heard Ryzen is better than 8700K 

Graphic Card: I understand for a high setting in the 4K I would need to do SLI or purchase asus gtx 1080 ti. I do regret not getting a ti :(. If i do overclock on one 1080 would it be possible to match with a 1080 ti ?

 

Vive: I know current VR game should be ok , I am more looking at longer term. so the current 1080 could stable at a FPS at 90 ? I thought it will drop to 30 depending on the game.

 

System: If I don't continue with this upgrade. What's the ideal spec to optimism this Asus strix 1080 card ?

 

Thank you.

many thanks,

koolrabbit  

[koolrabbit]

On 6/8/2018 at 4:40 PM, NelizMastr said:

For the more demanding games of today, the i5 will bottleneck a 1080 even at 4K, so upgrading would be wise. You'll also want 16GB of RAM as 8 is barely scraping by nowadays.

 

Ideas, price and part wise, with the AMD build being overclockable:

 

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: AMD - Ryzen 5 2600 3.4GHz 6-Core Processor  ($189.99 @ Amazon) 
Motherboard: MSI - X470 GAMING PLUS ATX AM4 Motherboard  ($129.99 @ Amazon) 
Memory: Team - Vulcan 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-3000 Memory  ($165.98 @ Newegg) 
Total: $485.96
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2018-06-08 02:40 EDT-0400

 

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel - Core i5-8400 2.8GHz 6-Core Processor  ($178.89 @ OutletPC) 
Motherboard: ASRock - Z370 Pro4 ATX LGA1151 Motherboard  ($108.08 @ Amazon) 
Memory: G.Skill - Ripjaws 4 Series 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-3000 Memory  ($159.99 @ Newegg) 
Total: $446.96
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2018-06-08 02:38 EDT-0400

Hi NelizMastr,

 

Thank you for the details info.

I agree with you. most probably build a new system.

 

CPU: Is that true ryzen is better than coffee lake ? For a longer term should i get i7 ? do you need a CPU cooler ( water system)?

Motherboard: is there a need to get a Asus gaming board ?

memory:  for longer term is there a need to get more than 16gb ?

case: do you recommend any good case?

 

thank you

Many thanks,

Koolrabbit

[koolrabbit]

On 6/8/2018 at 5:12 PM, Streetguru said:

If you're going to game at 4k 60hz your CPU is mostly fine, if you ahve a lot of spare cash grab an R7 2700

for VR you need the CPU upgrade.

what's your budget/country?

Hi Streetguru,

 

Thank you for helping me out.

budget :1000 Aus  (including getting ram , powersupply , cpu , fan and case )( maybe i can add bigger budget for a 144hz montior)

 

what build do you suggest to optimize the 1080 ?

 

Thank you.

Many thanks,

Koolrabbit 

[Streetguru]

21 minutes ago, koolrabbit said:

 

An R5 2600 is likely a good value CPU if you just want to replace it. The i7 8700 6 core is like $400 AUS on the part picker

Dunno your storage needs, Your X470 motherboard pricing is broken, could maybe get an X370 board with a better VRM, but those are like $130-150
 

PCPartPicker part list: https://au.pcpartpicker.com/list/vtQ4pG
Price breakdown by merchant: https://au.pcpartpicker.com/list/vtQ4pG/by_merchant/

CPU: AMD - Ryzen 5 2600 3.4GHz 6-Core Processor  ($238.00 @ Shopping Express)
Motherboard: ASRock - AB350M Pro4 Micro ATX AM4 Motherboard  ($88.00 @ Shopping Express)
Memory: Corsair - Vengeance LPX 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-3200 Memory  ($239.00 @ Umart)
Case: Silverstone - Redline RL05 (Black/White) ATX Mid Tower Case  ($65.00 @ PCCaseGear)
Power Supply: SeaSonic - FOCUS Gold 550W 80+ Gold Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply  ($119.00 @ Mwave Australia)
Total: $749.00
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2018-06-14 16:34 AEST+1000

[dragofang1060]

personally, I would look at a new computer if ur on a budget I would get a coffee lake CPU the core i3s would be powerful enough for something like ur rig and if u want to upgrade all u would have to do is slot in a new CPU plus something like the i3 8100 is as powerful as an i5 7500 http://cpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Intel-Core-i5-7500-vs-Intel-Core-i3-8100/3648vs3942 

[O9B0666]

3 hours ago, koolrabbit said:

?Also do I need to place a cooler on the CPU? 

 

omg yes!
 

 

3 hours ago, koolrabbit said:

- which brands or models do you recommend ?

SSD: any sdd should be ok ?

 

mostly yes, m/2 sometimes may outperform, but thats for factor not branding. I like samsung drives, but there are cheap alternative.

[w1nger1]

3 hours ago, koolrabbit said:

Hi w1nger1,

Thank you for providing me suggestion. My goal is to get ready for 4K gaming in the next couple years

Monitor : which brands or models do you recommend ?

SSD: any sdd should be ok ?

many thanks

Koolrabbit

I haven't been in market for monitors for awhile already, so my knowledge is very limited.

For SSD, I recommend going for at least 250GB to fit a few modern day games. Samsung EVO 860 is a good choice, but performance wise it is barely notice able to be honest, so any brand is ok.

[atomburst]

On 6/8/2018 at 2:02 AM, koolrabbit said:

Hi Everyone !! :):)

Hope you all well.

I am little new to the current market. My last build was around 5 to 6 years ago. 

Recently I purchased a Asus GTX 1080 A8G with promo. 

 

Question: Should I get a new CPU or build a new system or new monitor ?

 

Long term goal: playing VR game with HTC VIVE pro and play game on 4k setting or maybe ultra 4k.

 

Short term goal: play current games on high setting such as rise of the tomb raider, PUBG , Skyrim, middle earth shadow of war, battlefield 1, grand theft auto V , fallout 4 , assassin creed origins,  Far cry 5, state of decay 2, the forest , Fortnite (battle Royale), Kingdom come :Deliverance , Wolfenstein 2 the new colossus, Divinity: orginal sin 2, superhot ,outlast 2, dark souls 3 , mass effect andromeda and final fantasy XV. 

 

Current specs. ( 4 to 5 years system)

- CPU intel i5-4570
- Asus Z87-C LGA 1150
- Corsair 8G Kit 1866 VEN PRO C9
- NZXT white Phantom 410
- FSP650W platinum PSU
- Toshiba 3TB 3.5'' 7200rpm
- Samsung 2.5' 120G 840 EVO
- Asus Gtx 670 2GB
- asus vg278q ( not sure if i need a new monitor to optimize the card like Acer predator x34 UWQHD or asus predator but it looks over kill)

 

I am so confuse at the moment there is so many option on the markets. It will be awesome if i can get some expert advice from everyone.

 

Many thanks,
Kool rabbit 

 

Upgrade for sure, your cpu is decent, up until around 1060. At 1080, your cpu is going to be bottlenecking it a ton. Other than the 1080 you already bought, what is your budget for the rest of your parts? It will help to give part ideas.

[i_build_nanosuits]

On 08/06/2018 at 2:02 AM, koolrabbit said:

 

Current specs. ( 4 to 5 years system)

- CPU intel i5-4570
- Asus Z87-C LGA 1150
- Corsair 8G Kit 1866 VEN PRO C9

 

Grab an i7-4770K or 4790K and another 8GB stick and call it a day.

[koolrabbit]

On 15/06/2018 at 10:59 AM, atomburst said:

Upgrade for sure, your cpu is decent, up until around 1060. At 1080, your cpu is going to be bottlenecking it a ton. Other than the 1080 you already bought, what is your budget for the rest of your parts? It will help to give part ideas.

Hi atomburst,

Thank you for the information. 

Looking to build a new PC with budget 1000AUS

CPU : i5 8500 or  i78086K ( not sure do you need a cooler . I am actually very new to this . I saw Corsair H100i V2 240mm , NH D15S and Cryorig 15 not sure which one is better)

MB : Asus TUF H370 Pro (wifi) or Asus Z370 F or any recommendation?

Ram : Gskill RJ F43000C15D or any recommendation?

Case: Corsair carbide 275R BLK Temp or Corsair Carbide 400 Win mid or any recommendation ?

Power supply : Coolmaster Masterwatt 650W Bronze or Corsair CX750 W Semi mod. or any recommendation?

SDD and hardrive: Samsung 970 EVO NVME 500G or 250G

Many thanks,

Koolrabbit

[koolrabbit]

On 14/06/2018 at 7:02 PM, w1nger1 said:

I haven't been in market for monitors for awhile already, so my knowledge is very limited.

For SSD, I recommend going for at least 250GB to fit a few modern day games. Samsung EVO 860 is a good choice, but performance wise it is barely notice able to be honest, so any brand is ok.

Thanks w1nger1

[koolrabbit]

On 14/06/2018 at 4:45 PM, dragofang1060 said:

personally, I would look at a new computer if ur on a budget I would get a coffee lake CPU the core i3s would be powerful enough for something like ur rig and if u want to upgrade all u would have to do is slot in a new CPU plus something like the i3 8100 is as powerful as an i5 7500 http://cpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Intel-Core-i5-7500-vs-Intel-Core-i3-8100/3648vs3942 

Hi dragofang,

 

Thank you for the information.

 

What do you think of the spec below ?

 

CPU : i5 8500 or  i78086K ( not sure do you need a cooler . I am actually very new to this . I saw Corsair H100i V2 240mm , NH D15S and Cryorig 15 not sure which one is better)

MB : Asus TUF H370 Pro (wifi) or Asus Z370 F or any recommendation?

Ram : Gskill RJ F43000C15D or any recommendation?

Case: Corsair carbide 275R BLK Temp or Corsair Carbide 400 Win mid or any recommendation ?

Power supply : Coolmaster Masterwatt 650W Bronze or Corsair CX750 W Semi mod. or any recommendation?

SDD and hardrive: Samsung 970 EVO NVME 500G or 250G

 

Many thanks,

Koolrabbit

[atomburst]

47 minutes ago, koolrabbit said:

Hi atomburst,

Thank you for the information. 

Looking to build a new PC with budget 1000AUS

CPU : i5 8500 or  i78086K ( not sure do you need a cooler . I am actually very new to this . I saw Corsair H100i V2 240mm , NH D15S and Cryorig 15 not sure which one is better)

MB : Asus TUF H370 Pro (wifi) or Asus Z370 F or any recommendation?

Ram : Gskill RJ F43000C15D or any recommendation?

Case: Corsair carbide 275R BLK Temp or Corsair Carbide 400 Win mid or any recommendation ?

Power supply : Coolmaster Masterwatt 650W Bronze or Corsair CX750 W Semi mod. or any recommendation?

SDD and hardrive: Samsung 970 EVO NVME 500G or 250G

Many thanks,

Koolrabbit

Id go with the 8086k. Very good processor. As far as cooling, the Cryorig 15 and NH D15S are almost identical, the NH D15S just has more earthy tone fans which may clash with your build, so choose whichever you prefer. Also Ive heard the corsair is quite good, but I have no experience with these personally so  Id go with the asus Z370, Super durable and good looking board. How much ram would you be getting? That ram is really good but get at least 8 gigs, if not 16 for future proofing. The 750w psu will will be better for future upgrades, AND if you get the liquid AIO you should get 750. (That one is a bit expensive for what it is, check out the EVGA 750 GQ, 80+ GOLD, good deal and saves electric bill. 970 EVO is very good price to performance, Its what I have so definetly recomend, and as far as size it depends on whether you want to put more than just the O.S. On it. Also probably buy a 1Tb+ hdd/ssd for more cheap space.

[koolrabbit]

On 6/18/2018 at 5:11 AM, atomburst said:

Id go with the 8086k. Very good processor. As far as cooling, the Cryorig 15 and NH D15S are almost identical, the NH D15S just has more earthy tone fans which may clash with your build, so choose whichever you prefer. Also Ive heard the corsair is quite good, but I have no experience with these personally so  Id go with the asus Z370, Super durable and good looking board. How much ram would you be getting? That ram is really good but get at least 8 gigs, if not 16 for future proofing. The 750w psu will will be better for future upgrades, AND if you get the liquid AIO you should get 750. (That one is a bit expensive for what it is, check out the EVGA 750 GQ, 80+ GOLD, good deal and saves electric bill. 970 EVO is very good price to performance, Its what I have so definetly recomend, and as far as size it depends on whether you want to put more than just the O.S. On it. Also probably buy a 1Tb+ hdd/ssd for more cheap space.

Hi atomburst,

 

Thank you for helping me out and also every one being very helpful. Thank you.

Sorry for my late reply. I actually gone with a new build but i think i am over budget trying to keep it under 2500 AUS . I still havn't get power supply , ram and sdd and m2 or hard drive.  Also i want to try to do some overclocking as well ( I am very new to overclocking).

Is it better to overclock after the warranty ? 

Below is my current build 

CPU: i7 8700K                                                   $466.65 AUS  (brought on 15%)
Cooler: Noctua NH-D15                                  $107.10 AUS (brought on 15%)
Case Fractal Design ATX Define R6               $177.65 AUS (brought on 15%)
Motherboard: Asus strix Z370-H                   $211.65 AUS (brought on 15%)
Asus strix GTX 1080 A8G                                $735.00 AUS  (brought on 20%)

Memory: any recommend for the best ram and a budget one  for this build considering overclocking as well? 

Power supply: any recommend for the best PSU and a budget one  for this build considering overclocking as well? 

Storage: any recommend for the best M2, SDD , hard drive and a budget one  for this build considering overclocking as well? 

Montior: any recommend for the best monitor and a budget one for this build ? 

Many thanks,
koolrabbit

[koolrabbit]

Big thanks to everyone with my build.

I am still having trouble getting a PSU , monitor and gaming head set with mic.

Below is my build

CPU: i78700k
Cooler: NH-D15
Memory Vengance Lpx 3000
Motherboard : Asus Strix Z370 H
Graphic card : Asus strix GTX 1080 8gb
Case: Fractal Design Define R6
Storage : 500GB Samsung 970 M.2 NVME
                 2TB Segate Firecuda 3.5 7200rpm
                 860 evo 500GB

Power supply: looking at SSR 650 TR ( i am going to overclock the system)

Monitor: not sure which brand is great ( don't wanna over spend if my output does not support) . Also not sure what version of display pot should i use to optimist the system or should i just use HDMI ?

Gaming headset : any recommended ? with nice mic 

Many thanks.
Koolrabbit