Why hasn't Linus tried soldering on an IHS?

[Rockstar83]

I know that it isn't practical or easy.  I also know that liquid metal probably creates almost identical results.  It just seems like something they would have tried to do at some point just to see what happens.

[Tabs]

2 minutes ago, Rockstar83 said:

I know that it isn't practical or easy.  I also know that liquid metal probably creates almost identical results.  It just seems like something they would have tried to do at some point just to see what happens.

It requires specialised technology and materials. They wouldn't recoup the cost in months of videos.

[DildorTheDecent]

No thanks. No more garbage content please.

[Rockstar83]

1 minute ago, Tabs said:

It requires specialised technology and materials. They wouldn't recoup the cost in months of videos.

This is never the reason they decide not to do something.  If they can't afford it, they ghetto it.  You do watch the show right?

[dalekphalm]

8 minutes ago, Rockstar83 said:

I know that it isn't practical or easy.  I also know that liquid metal probably creates almost identical results.  It just seems like something they would have tried to do at some point just to see what happens.

I wouldn't be surprised if Linus didn't know how to solder regular things, like wires or basic PCB's, etc - let alone soldering an IHS.

[Mira Yurizaki]

9 minutes ago, Rockstar83 said:

I know that it isn't practical or easy.  I also know that liquid metal probably creates almost identical results.  It just seems like something they would have tried to do at some point just to see what happens.

In order to melt lead based solder you need about 190C. Add about 20C at the worst for lead-free solder.

 

If you don't do it right, and it's likely very hard to do it right, you're going to outright fry the CPU.

[flibberdipper]

4 minutes ago, DildorTheDecent said:

No thanks. No more garbage content please.

Might as well unsuccscribe then cuz I don't see any truly good content coming for a while

[Rockstar83]

2 minutes ago, DildorTheDecent said:

No thanks. No more garbage content please.

The great thing about living in America, is if we don't like something, we can choose not to watch it.  Must be rough for you.

[Tabs]

3 minutes ago, Rockstar83 said:

This is never the reason they decide not to do something.  If they can't afford it, they ghetto it.  You do watch the show right?

Why don't you attempt it then? It's the same concept.

 

Edit: And for what it's worth, I'd totally watch you break any CPU you attempted this on. I'm not masochistic, but schadenfreude is, in this case, very appealing.

Edited June 5, 2018 by Tabs

[dalekphalm]

Just now, Rockstar83 said:

The great thing about living in America, is if we don't like something, we can choose not to watch it.  Must be rough for you.

Technically Linus and LMG are Canadian... just sayin'

[Rockstar83]

Just now, tmcclelland455 said:

Might as well unsuccscribe then cuz I don't see any truly good content coming for a while

They are at computex right now, so there may be some really good stuff coming up.

[Rockstar83]

Just now, dalekphalm said:

Technically Linus and LMG are Canadian... just sayin'

I was referring to viewers, and I wouldn't say technically.  They actually are Canadian and are based in Canada.

[Mira Yurizaki]

On an aside, now that I had some time to stew what I said, you could probably just do it yourself by:

• Delid the CPU
• Put enough solder on the IHS where the CPU die is to hopefully make good contact
• Bake it in the oven at just over the melting point of the solder (so like what, 200C-220C?)

... and then realize the solder probably just spread out all over the place and now you have shorted out components.

[flibberdipper]

1 minute ago, Rockstar83 said:

They are at computex right now, so there may be some really good stuff coming up.

All of which will almost certainly be covered by Paul, HWC, BitWit, and GN, and GN will almost certainly have the best coverage of shit.

[Bouzoo]

4 minutes ago, Rockstar83 said:

The great thing about living in America, is if we don't like something, we can choose not to watch it.  Must be rough for you.

Oh, so that's how freedom works. Very interesting indeed.

[Rockstar83]

3 minutes ago, Tabs said:

Why don't you attempt it then? It's the same concept.

Because I don't have any junk CPUs that use the intel catshit TIM.  Don't really feel like spending that cash.  Thing is, I'm not really asking them TO do it, I was just browsing around and thought to myself that it was surprising that they did not.  Or maybe they did and decided it wasn't worth finishing or posting due to it failing horribly.

 

[Rockstar83]

9 minutes ago, M.Yurizaki said:

On an aside, now that I had some time to stew what I said, you could probably just do it yourself by:

• Delid the CPU
• Put enough solder on the IHS where the CPU die is to hopefully make good contact
• Bake it in the oven at just over the melting point of the solder (so like what, 200C-220C?)

... and then realize the solder probably just spread out all over the place and now you have shorted out components.

well, in theory, you could do it the same why they removed the one off of the Threadripper.  They could drip it onto the die, then set the IHS in place and put an iron right on the spot it needed to be heated until it seats itself.  I think you are correct on the amount of solder though.  I think it would either be to little and get hot spots or it would be to much and overflow.  Overflowing might be able to be stopped by coating the surrounding components enough that it wouldn't make actual contact with them.   Similar to what they do when they use liquid metal.

 

[DildorTheDecent]

3 minutes ago, tmcclelland455 said:

Might as well unsuccscribe then cuz I don't see any truly good content coming for a while

I remain subbed hoping that some day they'll turn around.

3 minutes ago, Rockstar83 said:

The great thing about living in America, is if we don't like something, we can choose not to watch it.  Must be rough for you.

kek. Nice try man. So I shouldn't watch any video in the hope that it might actually be good? I'm not sure if you're paying attention (you aren't) but the new age of garbage thumbnails and titles is a real lottery, might be good, might not be. You never know until you click.

 

Top quality meme though. The thing I like about forum noobs like you are the memes. That's honestly some top tier stuff. I'll have to remember that one.

[Julian5]

2 minutes ago, DildorTheDecent said:

I remain subbed hoping that some day they'll turn around.

kek. Nice try man. So I shouldn't watch any video in the hope that it might actually be good? I'm not sure if you're paying attention (you aren't) but the new age of garbage thumbnails and titles is a real lottery, might be good, might not be. You never know until you click.

 

Top quality meme though. The thing I like about forum noobs like you are the memes. That's honestly some top tier stuff. I'll have to remember that one.

Chill mate, dont be mean to our american friend

[flibberdipper]

2 minutes ago, DildorTheDecent said:

I remain subbed hoping that some day they'll turn around.

I have no hopes of the Linus of Duke Nukem dress-up past to return, so I just say subbed for my daily dose of "why the fuck, how the fuck, and most importantly fuck the fuck?"

[aezakmi]

I don't think the IHS is soldered using tin and a regular soldering iron, it's not a PSU board you're soldering, it's something over a CPU

[Mira Yurizaki]

18 minutes ago, Rockstar83 said:

Because I don't have any junk CPUs that use the intel catshit TIM. 

Intel doesn't use "catshit" TIM. Reportedly they use Dow Corning TC-1996. The only review I've found of it is at https://www.hardwaresecrets.com/thermal-compound-roundup-august-2011/5/  and it shows it's a pretty decent performer.

 

Also some of Dow Corning's other stuff is pretty impressive. The National Renewable Energy Lab did some testing on various thermal compounds (https://www.nrel.gov/docs/fy08osti/42972.pdf). Dow Corning's product (TC-5022) is a much better performer than Arctic Silver 5, while costing a lot less per unit mass.

 

Also note that Dow Corning is a pretty prominent chemical company, so they likely know what they're doing.

 

The only thing missing is the long term viability of thermal compounds. Considering that people here are still using Core 2's (which appear to be the earliest thermal grease was used) without reporting any real thermal issues, that seems to breed confidence that the TIM Intel chose lasts well after the processor becomes irrelevant to the mainstream.

Edited June 5, 2018 by M.Yurizaki

[Rex_G]

He has done something similar in the video where he made his vanity Threadripper work (although he just removed solder from CPU and he just put the thermal paste back on). Soldering IHS must've been too hard I think. This is link for the video 

 

[flibberdipper]

1 minute ago, M.Yurizaki said:

Intel doesn't use "catshit" TIM. Reportedly they use Dow Corning TC-1996. The only review I've found of it is at https://www.hardwaresecrets.com/thermal-compound-roundup-august-2011/5/  and it shows it's a pretty decent performer.

 

Also some of Dow Corning's other stuff is pretty impressive. The National Renewable Energy Lab did some testing on various thermal compounds (https://www.nrel.gov/docs/fy08osti/42972.pdf). Dow Corning's product (TC-5022) is a much better performer than Arctic Silver 5, while costing a lot less per unit mass.

 

The only thing missing is the long term viability of thermal compounds. Considering that people here are still using Core 2's (which appear to be the earliest thermal grease was used) without reporting any real thermal issues, that seems to breed confidence that the TIM Intel chose lasts well after the processor becomes irrelevant to the mainstream.

Their method of applying it, however, is catshit. I find it mildly autistic that my G3258 with a EZ-PZ 4.2/1.15 OC can hit 65-70C on an H115i.

[Mira Yurizaki]

Just now, tmcclelland455 said:

Their method of applying it, however, is catshit. I find it mildly autistic that my G3258 with a EZ-PZ 4.2/1.15 OC can hit 65-70C on an H115i.

Are we talking about the IHS application? It has been reported that yes, Intel spaced the IHS too far from the die and so the thickness of the TIM was just a wee bit too much.