Upgrade cpu or gpu

[NavySealC1]

hi. i have an intel i7-960 i bought it in 2009 and i have 1060 6gb, and I'm confused upgrade to i7-8700k or 1080ti because i want to play rainbow six siege at 1440p 165hz 

upgrade cpu or gpu?!

[i_build_nanosuits]

CPU First it's not a good time to buy a new graphics cards right now wait for next gen cards and your CPU is dated and slow..

[NavySealC1]

3 minutes ago, i_build_nanosuits said:

CPU First it's not a good time to buy a new graphics cards right now wait for next gen cards and your CPU is dated and slow..

but i heard that next generation of nvidia ( Volta ) would not be for gaming, is that right?

[Jurrunio]

volta wont be, because there's something else

[NelizMastr]

3 minutes ago, NavySealC1 said:

but i heard that next generation of nvidia ( Volta ) would not be for gaming, is that right?

That's because Turing will be a thing. But yeah, your CPU is the problem here. For 1440p 165Hz you will technically need to upgrade both your GPU and CPU, but for the time being, the CPU upgrade will yield the best overall improvement.

[wojtepanik]

Upgrade CPU for sure

[stealth80]

upgrade CPU now and save some cash for the next gen "Ti" 

[AskTJ]

CPU will need an upgrade. I suggest you get an i5 8600k and put a big Noctua cooler or 240mm AIO cooler on it. No need for an i7. If you want to save a bit of money, you can get the i5 8400 for less. There's no need for 12 threads when 6 threads on the i5 will work perfectly fine for you. 

[useffff]

First of all, I dont like people saying some GPUs such as Volta are not meant for gaming. Any GPU you can use for gaming basically, its just price per performance. Anyway, I would get a new CPU, but not the I7-8700k. Thats a great CPU, but overkill for gaming. I would get the I7-7700k, that is plenty for games right now and later on down the road. Unless you plan on recording games and rendering, etc. Just get the 7700k and save yourself some money that you can use somewhere else on your PC.

[Quadriplegic]

3 minutes ago, useffff said:

First of all, I dont like people saying some GPUs such as Volta are not meant for gaming. Any GPU you can use for gaming basically, its just price per performance. Anyway, I would get a new CPU, but not the I7-8700k. Thats a great CPU, but overkill for gaming. I would get the I7-7700k, that is plenty for games right now and later on down the road. Unless you plan on recording games and rendering, etc. Just get the 7700k and save yourself some money that you can use somewhere else on your PC.

Doesn't 8600k have same performance as 7700k while being cheaper?

[useffff]

4 minutes ago, Quadriplegic said:

Doesn't 8600k have same performance as 7700k while being cheaper?

From what I have seen, yes it dose. Thank you for pointing that out, the I7-7700k is $299 on Amazon and the I5-8600k is $238 on Amazon. So yes, the I5 has better performance than the 7700k overall but dose not have hyper threading if that will be an issue for him.

[i_build_nanosuits]

11 minutes ago, useffff said:

From what I have seen, yes it dose. Thank you for pointing that out, the I7-7700k is $299 on Amazon and the I5-8600k is $238 on Amazon. So yes, the I5 has better performance than the 7700k overall but dose not have hyper threading if that will be an issue for him.

6 cores is better than a 4+4 in all scenarios.

[useffff]

1 hour ago, i_build_nanosuits said:

6 cores is better than a 4+4 in all scenarios.

I will say only a handful of games will use those 6 cores

[i_build_nanosuits]

17 minutes ago, useffff said:

I will say only a handful of games will use those 6 cores

and you'd be wrong...

[useffff]

58 minutes ago, i_build_nanosuits said:

and you'd be wrong...

What games do you know that take full use out of 6 cores? Most games will only do 4

[DarkSmith2]

10 minutes ago, useffff said:

What games do you know that take full use out of 6 cores? Most games will only do 4

PUBG, Battlefield, GTA, City Skylines, civ5, Witcher3 list is endless...

and also "overkill" doesnt excist when it comes to gaming. Otherwise nobody would ever have to upgrade...

[Pasi123]

I'd recommend upgrading to a Xeon X5675 (or some other similar 6-core Xeon) and overclocking it to 4.2+GHz

 

Cinebench R15 on my Xeon X5670 @ 4.44GHz:

 

CPU-Z benchmark @ 4.32GHz vs Ryzen 5 1600

[useffff]

56 minutes ago, DarkSmith2 said:

PUBG, Battlefield, GTA, City Skylines, civ5, Witcher3 list is endless...

and also "overkill" doesnt excist when it comes to gaming. Otherwise nobody would ever have to upgrade...

there is overkill... Whats the point of having a Titan or 1080TI if your only playing 1080p at 60Hz? And also, those games dont use all of the 6 cores, look it up. Yes they are faster on those games because of the fact the CPU in whole is faster than previous, but it dosent use all of the 6 cores and you will be better off just getting a lower end cpu and save some of your money.

[DarkSmith2]

8 minutes ago, useffff said:

there is overkill... Whats the point of having a Titan or 1080TI if your only playing 1080p at 60Hz? And also, those games dont use all of the 6 cores, look it up. Yes they are faster on those games because of the fact the CPU in whole is faster than previous, but it dosent use all of the 6 cores and you will be better off just getting a lower end cpu and save some of your money.

so you are saying there is no difference hu?

what about that? 4core no hyperthreading being slow? How is it possible than? You have to get your facts straight...

And no a 1080ti isnt even overkill on 1080p60.. the time will come where its even a slow card for 1080p. It will just last longer.

People said the same thing about the 780ti, nowdays its a crap card, and it isnt even a long time ago since...

[useffff]

7 hours ago, DarkSmith2 said:

so you are saying there is no difference hu?

 

what about that? 4core no hyperthreading being slow? How is it possible than? You have to get your facts straight...

And no a 1080ti isnt even overkill on 1080p60.. the time will come where its even a slow card for it. It will just last longer.

first, do you see how you stop seeing a performance increase after 4 cores? And second, that is true, at some point the 1080TI will be a slow card, and your reason is true, but I like to think with my wallet and getting a $700 GPU for just 1080p gaming is overkill and not necessary.

[DarkSmith2]

1 minute ago, useffff said:

first, do you see how you stop seeing a performance increase after 4 cores? And second, that is true, at some point the 1080TI will be a slow card, and your reason is true, but I like to think with my wallet and getting a $700 GPU for just 1080p gaming is overkill and not necessary.

No im seeing a stop of performance increase after 4cores8threads. NOT 4cores. Which is evidence that games effectively use more than 4cores. Take a closer look.

[useffff]

7 hours ago, DarkSmith2 said:

No im seeing a stop of performance increase after 4cores8threads. NOT 4cores. Which is evidence that games effectively use more than 4cores. Take a closer look.

Are you relating what I said with getting the I5? I do think hyper threading is important, thats why I said get the 7700k. And yes, like I said, you do see a increase with better CPUs such as a I9, but its price per performance. Its like saying you want to get a titan over a 1080TI for an extra 15FPS, but your spending a extra $400 to get it. To me, the 8700K seems like way to much if he only plans to play games and not stream, record, render, editing, etc

 

7 hours ago, useffff said:

Are you relating what I said with getting the I5? I do think hyper threading is important, thats why I said get the 7700k. And yes, like I said, you do see a increase with better CPUs such as a I9, but its price per performance. Its like saying you want to get a titan over a 1080TI for an extra 15FPS, but your spending a extra $400 to get it. To me, the 8700K seems like way to much if he only plans to play games and not stream, record, render, editing, etc

I mean I have a 4790k and I play with my bud that has a 1080 like I do and has the 8700k and he gets like a extra 15fps, no joke so I dunno

 

[DarkSmith2]

10 minutes ago, useffff said:

Are you relating what I said with getting the I5? I do think hyper threading is important, thats why I said get the 7700k. And yes, like I said, you do see a increase with better CPUs such as a I9, but its price per performance. Its like saying you want to get a titan over a 1080TI for an extra 15FPS, but your spending a extra $400 to get it. To me, the 8700K seems like way to much if he only plans to play games and not stream, record, render, editing, etc

 

9 minutes ago, useffff said:

I mean I have a 4790k and I play with my bud that has a 1080 like I do and has the 8700k and he gets like a extra 15fps, no joke so I dunno

 

No i was relating to the "games do not use more than 4cores" thing you just said earlier. But they do.

Also 15FPS difference can be small or huge depending on the game/resolution and says nothing to me. If 15fps is 25% its a huge difference, if 15fps is 1% its not a huge difference. So also depending on your point of view it might be worth it or not. But the 8700k isnt called the fastest gaming CPU in the world for no reason. And im not seeing the point of "saving" little money when you close to always get what you pay for in the hardware world. If i had chosen a 2500k instead of a 2600k it would had cut its valuable lifetime in half. Im pretty sure the 8700k will at least last 2years longer than the i5 for gaming purpose.

[useffff]

The I9 line up is also better than the 8700k, but it is not worth it at all as well. Also, he has a total different cpu socket type. So this means he will need to buy a new MOBO, RAM, and CPU. If we think of it that way, the MOBO cost around $100, the ram cost around $120 if he just gets a decent amount, and the CPU will cost $350 if he gets the 8700k. Thats a $570 investment. Why not just get a "lower end" CPU like a 4790k and save money. It all depends on what and how he plays his games. If he is only doing 1080p at 60hz, he will just be throwing away money. If he dose 1080p at 144hz, he will be throwing away money cause I have a 1080 and a 4790k and I play 200+ fps on all the games I play at 1080p. If he plays 1440p at 60hz, get the 7700k. If he plays at 1440p at 144hz and above like 4k, think get the 8700k. I dont get the point of future proofing, whats the point? Ya you spend more money now, and you dont have to upgrade for a couple years. Why not just get a mid tier GPU or CPU and just upgrade like every 2 years? You will have a constant stable FPS and gaming experience than a degraded experience with higher end gear. I mean, if he can afford it, go for it, power to you. But if hes on a budget or has to take away items from his PC to get that CPU, thats stupid.

[useffff]

7 hours ago, useffff said:

The I9 line up is also better than the 8700k, but it is not worth it at all as well. Also, he has a total different cpu socket type. So this means he will need to buy a new MOBO, RAM, and CPU. If we think of it that way, the MOBO cost around $100, the ram cost around $120 if he just gets a decent amount, and the CPU will cost $350 if he gets the 8700k. Thats a $570 investment. Why not just get a "lower end" CPU like a 4790k and save money. It all depends on what and how he plays his games. If he is only doing 1080p at 60hz, he will just be throwing away money. If he dose 1080p at 144hz, he will be throwing away money cause I have a 1080 and a 4790k and I play 200+ fps on all the games I play at 1080p. If he plays 1440p at 60hz, get the 7700k. If he plays at 1440p at 144hz and above like 4k, think get the 8700k. I dont get the point of future proofing, whats the point? Ya you spend more money now, and you dont have to upgrade for a couple years. Why not just get a mid tier GPU or CPU and just upgrade like every 2 years? You will have a constant stable FPS and gaming experience than a degraded experience with higher end gear. I mean, if he can afford it, go for it, power to you. But if hes on a budget or has to take away items from his PC to get that CPU, thats stupid.

Again, if he has money to afford the 8700k, go for it. But I dont know if he is on a budget or will have to take away say the ram amount or motherboard quality to get that CPU

 

I just dont want him to possibly take away the quality of a motherboard or amount of ram because he wants a little more FPS that dosent in the end affect the gaming experience.